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King4Day wrote:Reasonable deals for guys like Carter and Saric can be moved if we need space in the future. I wouldn't be afraid of 2 year deals, or 3 years with a team option on the 3rd.

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:

bwgood77 wrote:

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
I would have agreed with you just a few games ago. But the chemistry he's quickly developed with Payne in the backcourt, and the 3 point shooting, combined with his commitment to the team and his teammates... I just think you gotta see what the market will give him and pledge to match it with an extra year if he wants it. If he can't get a decent offer, I'm happy to give him $3-4 million per over two. He's worth at least that much.

I guess it all just comes down to whether or not we care about cap space next summer or if we are happy with our current roster with no additions outside of rookies.

It's tough to know how much stock to put into these games. We look great but it's hard to know how serious a lot of these teams are even taking these games with so many teams locked into spots. I obviously think the Mavs and Clips took their games seriously against us. Miami too, but obviously they were missing their main guy, another starter and another key player.

I also wonder if the way Carter and Payne are playing are sustainable. Obviously Payne is worth keeping due to his 1 year cheap option. Carter is a guy we have seen all year so we have more to go on. I don't like to put too much stock in a few games but I did like the way he was shooting down the stretch even before this.

It's tough as key as these bench units have been. I really don't see a team offering him a multi year deal at like $4+ million a year though. I could see a team maybe giving him part of their MLE on a 1 year deal, maybe even slightly bloated, so they'd have the cap space back. That is something I'd do/match.

I think you can put a lot of Jevon's struggles this season on being miscast as a PG and us not having any other stable guards to bring off the bench to elevate the offense. As good as Jevon is, he and Rubio are not ideal partners in the backcourt. And Booker's looked a lot better handling the ball in the bubble, which I put in part to Devin and Ayton's improvement at running the P&R and a lot on Cam and Bridges providing that additional, necessary spacing.

Jevon's a 3&D shooting guard trapped in a PG's body. It just doesn't seem like we lack for anything in the backcourt right now with Booker/Rubio/Payne/Carter.

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:

bwgood77 wrote:

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
I would have agreed with you just a few games ago. But the chemistry he's quickly developed with Payne in the backcourt, and the 3 point shooting, combined with his commitment to the team and his teammates... I just think you gotta see what the market will give him and pledge to match it with an extra year if he wants it. If he can't get a decent offer, I'm happy to give him $3-4 million per over two. He's worth at least that much.

I guess it all just comes down to whether or not we care about cap space next summer or if we are happy with our current roster with no additions outside of rookies.

It's tough to know how much stock to put into these games. We look great but it's hard to know how serious a lot of these teams are even taking these games with so many teams locked into spots. I obviously think the Mavs and Clips took their games seriously against us. Miami too, but obviously they were missing their main guy, another starter and another key player.

I also wonder if the way Carter and Payne are playing are sustainable. Obviously Payne is worth keeping due to his 1 year cheap option. Carter is a guy we have seen all year so we have more to go on. I don't like to put too much stock in a few games but I did like the way he was shooting down the stretch even before this.

It's tough as key as these bench units have been. I really don't see a team offering him a multi year deal at like $4+ million a year though. I could see a team maybe giving him part of their MLE on a 1 year deal, maybe even slightly bloated, so they'd have the cap space back. That is something I'd do/match.

I think you can put a lot of Jevon's struggles this season on being miscast as a PG and us not having any other stable guards to bring off the bench to elevate the offense. As good as Jevon is, he and Rubio are not ideal partners in the backcourt. And Booker's looked a lot better handling the ball in the bubble, which I put in part to Devin and Ayton's improvement at running the P&R and a lot on Cam and Bridges providing that additional, necessary spacing.

Jevon's a 3&D shooting guard trapped in a PG's body. It just doesn't seem like we lack for anything in the backcourt right now with Booker/Rubio/Payne/Carter.

bwgood77 wrote:

King4Day wrote:Reasonable deals for guys like Carter and Saric can be moved if we need space in the future. I wouldn't be afraid of 2 year deals, or 3 years with a team option on the 3rd.

I guess it depends on definition of reasonable for Carter. Cap space can be very hard to clear if a player and the money isn't wanted. Josh Jackson just had like 1 year and $5 million and cost Melton. And you could argue more teams would have been interested in possible Jackson upside than what Carter gives you. Most teams have 2-3 PGs who are Carter level or better.

King4Day wrote:

bwgood77 wrote:

King4Day wrote:Reasonable deals for guys like Carter and Saric can be moved if we need space in the future. I wouldn't be afraid of 2 year deals, or 3 years with a team option on the 3rd.

I guess it depends on definition of reasonable for Carter. Cap space can be very hard to clear if a player and the money isn't wanted. Josh Jackson just had like 1 year and $5 million and cost Melton. And you could argue more teams would have been interested in possible Jackson upside than what Carter gives you. Most teams have 2-3 PGs who are Carter level or better.

If he's an expiring, and we know Giannis would be willing to come, for example, I think we could find a team to take a 1 year 3-4 mil in salary along with a future first to take him off our hands. At that point, picks aren't as important.

bwgood77 wrote:
I agree but we are still looking at an awfully small sample size of that combination playing against teams mostly already solidified into playoff slots, and many teams resting multiple players (or having injuries to key players).

That being said, I like what Carter brings. Qwigglez (I think) earlier mentioned that he didn't expect him back due to comments he had made regarding Booker.

Qwigglez wrote:

bwgood77 wrote:
I agree but we are still looking at an awfully small sample size of that combination playing against teams mostly already solidified into playoff slots, and many teams resting multiple players (or having injuries to key players).

That being said, I like what Carter brings. Qwigglez (I think) earlier mentioned that he didn't expect him back due to comments he had made regarding Booker.

Not Jevon himself, but someone within his circle. They kept pointing out how Booker is playing the dating scene with a Kardashian, how Booker isn't working on his game, how Booker only cares about getting his stats and not the team, etc. I felt if someone that close to Jevon Carter is publicly saying stuff that he likely wouldn't be on the team after his contract ends. Even in Jevon Carter's breakout game, his quote afterwards seemed to be a subtle jab at Booker when he said something along the lines of hating players that don't try hard on defense and only care about scoring and what not.

I actually like Carter and hope he comes back. I feel he just needs to break out more and trust his skills, he looks hesitant a lot of times out there on offense.

Also want to point out, I don't see Jevon Carter getting some huge offer from a team. I think he maybe gets $2.5 million one year deal somewhere, and might even take a 2 year deal + 1 team option of something in the range of $5.5 million total. I hope we keep him for something like that, but I guess it only takes one team to offer him something more and I doubt we match.

WeekapaugGroove wrote:After watching these playoffs I'm more interested in bringing Carter back. When the competition gets intense you need some dogs like that on your team. He feels like the type that won't wilt under pressure.

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suns12345 wrote:Interested to hear how people grade this trade now?

And I guess I just mean from the perspective of swapping Melton (a raw, higher potential guy) for Carter (can maybe contribute more now, but has shown that he could improve into a solid piece)... not interested in the 2nd rd picks/JJ salary dump.

For me, I haven't seen much of Melton from last year, but i'm ok with this trade as Carter has shown he can contribute on a good team, shoot threes, and play hard. which is better than any Point Guards we used in the year we had Melton.

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Both Melton and Carter are RFAs so we'll see what the market rates them this fall.

I like carter and I'd keep him. I think his 3pt shooting is for real because it's a skill you can develop and Carter works his ass off.

Overall it's still ridiculous they didn't just waive and stretch Jackson. Could have still done a carter for Melton swap most likely.

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