2020 Season/Offseason (FA/Trade) Speculation - the Season Resumes

[Revived]

Why did Oubre even bother coming to Orlando if he wasn’t going to play? Didn’t most or all other players who are sitting out all end up rehabbing or whatever it is at home?

[itlnsunsfan]

Isaac just blew out his knee again. Oubre for Gordon trade idea probably put to bed.

[starbosa10]

such a bad turnover from saric there

[starbosa10]

well unless book gets hot the dream is dead real quick lol

[nevetsov]

Good coaching by the Mavs - seeing that Luka can't create enough separation from Bridges, they put Boban on to set bigger screens for him. Smart.

[nevetsov]

Kaminsky KILLING us

[starbosa10]

Kaminsky KILLING us

Our bench is truly awful

[starbosa10]

they never call those

[starbosa10]

come on Cam. Wide open

then a dumb foul by Payne and idk how that was a foul on Johnson, dude was already falling over going for the ball

[nevetsov]

These calls on us are weak as piss.

[starbosa10]

this reffing is an absolute joke.

[bwgood77]

We are a half game back of the Pelicans and Kings. The Pelicans haven't looked too good. I can't tell if lottery slots/odds change depending on these 8 games. Their seems to be conflicting information. Tankathon makes it sound like they are set in stone. This article kind of makes it sound like it, but their chart leaves the 9-14 slots open and apparently undetermined. https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/nba-draft-lottery-2020-odds-date-explained/vph31e4lsnkl11kcbgvx1n13e

Tankathon is updating the records but according to record, SA should have moved to 14th right now, but are still at 11th.

[nevetsov]

From what I've read, the lottery odds are set with pre-bubble standings, unless one of the 9-12 teams happen to sneak in. Then I would assume everyone shuffles accordingly.

[jredsaz]

With Saric I want to see how he plays the 8 games. Based on 1 game yesterday, yes. Based on the season, I don't care. Also depends on cost. If it was like 4/40, while that may be a fair contract for him, I'm not sure I'd want our team to commit to that.

Baynes I definitely try to bring back for his vet presence, impact on Ayton and just basically to ensure if Ayton goes down we have a very solid backup to help with that huge loss...Ayton will miss some games, but just having someone who is tough and can REALLY help that crap bench unit is key.

Payne, again, kind of like Saric, based on this 1 game yesterday, yes...he's very cheap..but will have to see the 8 games.

Much will depend on trades. I like Bridges and Cam getting minutes more than Oubre...both far more efficient and with Oubre he puts up like 15 shots a game on avg efficiency, and Bridges is our most efficient player (over 500 minutes..basically other than Diallo)...Oubre is 7th or 8th...right around Kaminsky. Cam is 2nd (eFG) or tied for 3rd (TS%)....it's better for them to get shots..plus they move the ball.

I probably wouldn't deal Oubre unless there is a good deal, but I think our team will probably be better this coming season with Bridges and Cam getting minutes/shots over Oubre. Oubre could be good for depth, but if he is starting and taking more shots than those guys, particularly a lot more shots, while also not looking for Ayton/Booker as much, moving the ball, it simply makes us worse. If he was up for a bench role, that would be good.

BUT, trading him for someone not as good, unless it was either good role players giving us depth, wouldn't really make sense either.

It will be interesting who we draft too...if it is someone like Toppin who is more ready and is really effiicent finishing and a good 3 pt shooter, that would help too. If it's a raw player, not so much.

Carter can go. if he would stay for the minimum I wouldn't mind it, but I'd want him to be an end of the bench guy. Would definitely prefer upgrades there though.

If we keep Saric and are an over the cap team, I don't mind keeping Frank too...though I imagine with Sarver in money saving mode, if we are working over the cap, he may want to minimize how much we are over...and if we hope for him to use the MLE, then we should go just barely over the cap before hoping he uses it. There might be a better chance he stays under the cap and signs free agents to get just to the cap.

Ultimately I think keeping Dario might come down to what happens with Oubre...and of course Baynes.

Yeah I had mentioned keeping Saric in a bench role but no way in hell I'd pay him anywhere close to 10mil per. I also doubt he'll have a hot market for his services. Something like 2yrs 12 mil or even just on the QO is what I had in mind.

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You don't think his market would be close to $10 million a year? RAPTOR has his market value for 5 years at $47.5. It has Oubre at $56.5. Booker at $90 and Ayton at $104. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-nba-player-projections/dario-saric/

Why would they have Brad Beal worth $70 million more over 5 years than Booker?

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[jredsaz]

With Saric I want to see how he plays the 8 games. Based on 1 game yesterday, yes. Based on the season, I don't care. Also depends on cost. If it was like 4/40, while that may be a fair contract for him, I'm not sure I'd want our team to commit to that.

Baynes I definitely try to bring back for his vet presence, impact on Ayton and just basically to ensure if Ayton goes down we have a very solid backup to help with that huge loss...Ayton will miss some games, but just having someone who is tough and can REALLY help that crap bench unit is key.

Payne, again, kind of like Saric, based on this 1 game yesterday, yes...he's very cheap..but will have to see the 8 games.

Much will depend on trades. I like Bridges and Cam getting minutes more than Oubre...both far more efficient and with Oubre he puts up like 15 shots a game on avg efficiency, and Bridges is our most efficient player (over 500 minutes..basically other than Diallo)...Oubre is 7th or 8th...right around Kaminsky. Cam is 2nd (eFG) or tied for 3rd (TS%)....it's better for them to get shots..plus they move the ball.

I probably wouldn't deal Oubre unless there is a good deal, but I think our team will probably be better this coming season with Bridges and Cam getting minutes/shots over Oubre. Oubre could be good for depth, but if he is starting and taking more shots than those guys, particularly a lot more shots, while also not looking for Ayton/Booker as much, moving the ball, it simply makes us worse. If he was up for a bench role, that would be good.

BUT, trading him for someone not as good, unless it was either good role players giving us depth, wouldn't really make sense either.

It will be interesting who we draft too...if it is someone like Toppin who is more ready and is really effiicent finishing and a good 3 pt shooter, that would help too. If it's a raw player, not so much.

Carter can go. if he would stay for the minimum I wouldn't mind it, but I'd want him to be an end of the bench guy. Would definitely prefer upgrades there though.

If we keep Saric and are an over the cap team, I don't mind keeping Frank too...though I imagine with Sarver in money saving mode, if we are working over the cap, he may want to minimize how much we are over...and if we hope for him to use the MLE, then we should go just barely over the cap before hoping he uses it. There might be a better chance he stays under the cap and signs free agents to get just to the cap.

Ultimately I think keeping Dario might come down to what happens with Oubre...and of course Baynes.

Yeah I had mentioned keeping Saric in a bench role but no way in hell I'd pay him anywhere close to 10mil per. I also doubt he'll have a hot market for his services. Something like 2yrs 12 mil or even just on the QO is what I had in mind.

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You don't think his market would be close to $10 million a year? RAPTOR has his market value for 5 years at $47.5. It has Oubre at $56.5. Booker at $90 and Ayton at $104. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-nba-player-projections/dario-saric/

They also have Derrick White worth $25 million more than Devin Booker over 5 years

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[jredsaz]

Yeah for me, it's not so much that we traded him, but we did not get value for what we developed him into. He should have been worth at least a mid-first in a trade with no dollars attached. I was pushing for Sabonis before he broke out. I would have had no problem if TJ had his year if we have Sabonis to show for it. As it is it just makes me frustrated with bad decision making at the top. Apparently James Jones was reading realgm and people that didn't appreciate TJ's game and didn't value him highly enough.

Or maybe James Jones didn't read realgm and just decided to improve the team's culture and let players that don't want to be here go. He may have asked for a late 1st rounder that usually ends a player like Ty Jerome, but apparently nobody wanted to give even that at the time. We certainly should spent next two years to discuss this.

I wonder if people would still be upset about this trade if Ayton didn't screw things up and the team reached the playoffs for the first time in 10 years.

I'd still be mad about it. Truth is t would have been damn near impossible for this team to be as bad as last year. Simply adding vets and our young guy getting older accomplished that.

I'll credit Jones for signing Rubio though how he ages will determine if that ends up a plus or minus. Kaminsky has been terrible. Jerome has been terrible. We're still missing competent backup guards and have a weird mix of centers and guards. Zach Lowe said it best at the time--we'll win more next year, but that's not really the point of why people are mad about this. We could have been better set up to win in the long run than we are today if we managed Warren, Jackson, and that entire debacle correctly.

I agree his moves were somewhat ham handed and he didn't manage value well but moving on from Warren and Jackson was inevitable. That boat sailed with the previous regime. The coaching turnover, lack of investment in development, lack of structure, tanking year after year lost Warren and Jackson. Still shocked Booker did what he did in that situation. His level of maturity mixed with work ethic is incredible.

Kaminsky missed and so did Jerome. But Saric and Baynes were quality additions. Cam looks like a core piece who I would rather have than either Warren or Jackson. I don't think he is selected unless they move Warren at the draft and have decided on Jacksons future.

Jones set out to do three things. Change the culture, add shooting around Ayton and Booker, and give them a legit point guard. He accomplished all of those things and still has all his first round picks and cap flexibility moving forward. Perfect? No. But it was effective.

I don't agree that we would be set up better for the future had we kept Warren and Jackson. I think the culture ruined them for the franchise.

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[bwgood77]

Yeah I had mentioned keeping Saric in a bench role but no way in hell I'd pay him anywhere close to 10mil per. I also doubt he'll have a hot market for his services. Something like 2yrs 12 mil or even just on the QO is what I had in mind.

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You don't think his market would be close to $10 million a year? RAPTOR has his market value for 5 years at $47.5. It has Oubre at $56.5. Booker at $90 and Ayton at $104. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-nba-player-projections/dario-saric/

Why would they have Brad Beal worth $70 million more over 5 years than Booker?

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No idea. Probably have to look at their net rating...off rtg and def rtg...but I don't agree with that one.

[AtheJ415]

Or maybe James Jones didn't read realgm and just decided to improve the team's culture and let players that don't want to be here go. He may have asked for a late 1st rounder that usually ends a player like Ty Jerome, but apparently nobody wanted to give even that at the time. We certainly should spent next two years to discuss this.

I wonder if people would still be upset about this trade if Ayton didn't screw things up and the team reached the playoffs for the first time in 10 years.

I'd still be mad about it. Truth is t would have been damn near impossible for this team to be as bad as last year. Simply adding vets and our young guy getting older accomplished that.

I'll credit Jones for signing Rubio though how he ages will determine if that ends up a plus or minus. Kaminsky has been terrible. Jerome has been terrible. We're still missing competent backup guards and have a weird mix of centers and guards. Zach Lowe said it best at the time--we'll win more next year, but that's not really the point of why people are mad about this. We could have been better set up to win in the long run than we are today if we managed Warren, Jackson, and that entire debacle correctly.

I agree his moves were somewhat ham handed and he didn't manage value well but moving on from Warren and Jackson was inevitable. That boat sailed with the previous regime. The coaching turnover, lack of investment in development, lack of structure, tanking year after year lost Warren and Jackson. Still shocked Booker did what he did in that situation. His level of maturity mixed with work ethic is incredible.

Kaminsky missed and so did Jerome. But Saric and Baynes were quality additions. Cam looks like a core piece who I would rather have than either Warren or Jackson. I don't think he is selected unless they move Warren at the draft and have decided on Jacksons future.

Jones set out to do three things. Change the culture, add shooting around Ayton and Booker, and give them a legit point guard. He accomplished all of those things and still has all his first round picks and cap flexibility moving forward. Perfect? No. But it was effective.

I don't agree that we would be set up better for the future had we kept Warren and Jackson. I think the culture ruined them for the franchise.

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My guess is if Johnson wasn't elected, the Suns take Brandon Clarke. I would MUCH rather have Warren and Clarke than Johnson and really any non-Booker, Ayton, or Mikal combo. Also, if the Grizzlies liked Jackson and Melton, which they presumably do, then why couldn't we have traded back in at 21 for Clarke, who was just 3 picks ahead of Jerome?

[Christine-In-AZ]

After so, so long, meaningful games ahead!!!







Meaningful games for DBook to prove he's more than a "good stats/bad team" guy ....finally!





It's probably going to end up with our guys falling a little short, but man is it an unexpected, +emotional treat to be able to watch a team "in the mix" after so fricking long!



...who knows?

[bwgood77]

Talking about the playoffs for next year. Lets say we make the 8 seed. Who do you think falls out of the top 7? I think the most obvious candidate, outside of whoever gets the 8 seed, would be OKC, IF they blow it up. But then you have GS, who, if healthy, will certainly be in the playoffs. They will have a top 5 pick along with Curry, Klay and Draymond...and Wiggins may improve. Then of course Memphis, Portland and New Orleans will likely be better. Even if we get to 40 wins or a few more, it's still going to be very tough. But knowing we can hang with anyone if healthy, is big. Just need that depth.