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I hope Nurkic is decent like even playable like McGee just consistent plug and play in his role.
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Me before the trade: it makes no sense at all
Me now: it makes SO MUCH sense!!1!1
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A wildly depressing stat: Nurkic is shooting 45% from INSIDE the paint to open the season
He has always been bad compared to other Cs, but "bad" being relative, like ~55%. This is a new level of abysmal.
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Saberestar wrote:A wildly depressing stat: Nurkic is shooting 45% from INSIDE the paint to open the season
He has always been bad compared to other Cs, but "bad" being relative, like ~55%. This is a new level of abysmal.
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Saberestar wrote:A wildly depressing stat: Nurkic is shooting 45% from INSIDE the paint to open the season
He has always been bad compared to other Cs, but "bad" being relative, like ~55%. This is a new level of abysmal.
He's also playing on a bad team that had no identity and missing their top 2 players.
All these guys look bad right now.
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He's' 58% at the rim (which is terrible) and also 2-10 or 20% from 3-10 ft. It makes it tough. For all of Ayton's faults, he was about 80% at the rim and 53% from 3-10 ft last year (a big dropoff from 59% the previous year but 52% in 20-21).
Not having some efficient interior scoring is hurting us quite a bit...particularly in the close losses where a few shots going in would have made the difference.
Not having some efficient interior scoring is hurting us quite a bit...particularly in the close losses where a few shots going in would have made the difference.
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"First, they fascinate the fools. Then, they muzzle the intelligent."
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bwgood77 wrote:He's' 58% at the rim (which is terrible) and also 2-10 or 20% from 3-10 ft. It makes it tough. For all of Ayton's faults, he was about 80% at the rim and 53% from 3-10 ft last year (a big dropoff from 59% the previous year but 52% in 20-21).
Not having some efficient interior scoring is hurting us quite a bit...particularly in the close losses where a few shots going in would have made the difference.
Yeah I was never that bothered by him scoring efficiently on assisted baskets like others were. It was a sign of some form of playmaking, ball movement offense rather than ISO play.
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bwgood77 wrote:He's' 58% at the rim (which is terrible) and also 2-10 or 20% from 3-10 ft. It makes it tough. For all of Ayton's faults, he was about 80% at the rim and 53% from 3-10 ft last year (a big dropoff from 59% the previous year but 52% in 20-21).
Not having some efficient interior scoring is hurting us quite a bit...particularly in the close losses where a few shots going in would have made the difference.
Ayton also wasn't playing with a starting five that consisted of a washed Eric Gordon, Grayson Allen, Josh "No Offense" Okogie, and KD. At least two of those guys have no business being in a starting 5 and NONE of them are worth a damn on offense other than chucking.
A little perspective pls. Nobody is playing well under this makeshift lineup and whatever system it is Young has them running out there. Man I cannot wait until they're healthy so we can legitimately judge what is going on. Nurks looks and #'s will improve once the health of this team does.
Right now it's just sour grapes and this bizarre theory that Ayton would be changing the landscape of what we have watched. When in his career did he ever bail out this team when they were struggling?
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enigmatics wrote:bwgood77 wrote:He's' 58% at the rim (which is terrible) and also 2-10 or 20% from 3-10 ft. It makes it tough. For all of Ayton's faults, he was about 80% at the rim and 53% from 3-10 ft last year (a big dropoff from 59% the previous year but 52% in 20-21).
Not having some efficient interior scoring is hurting us quite a bit...particularly in the close losses where a few shots going in would have made the difference.
Ayton also wasn't playing with a starting five that consisted of a washed Eric Gordon, Grayson Allen, Josh "No Offense" Okogie, and KD. At least two of those guys have no business being in a starting 5 and NONE of them are worth a damn on offense other than chucking.
A little perspective pls. Nobody is playing well under this makeshift lineup and whatever system it is Young has them running out there. Man I cannot wait until they're healthy so we can legitimately judge what is going on. Nurks looks and #'s will improve once the health of this team does.
Right now it's just sour grapes and this bizarre theory that Ayton would be changing the landscape of what we have watched. When in his career did he ever bail out this team when they were struggling?
Ayton was playing with by a lot worse players most of last season and still shooting a much better %, despite you claiming he was sandbagging it. We knew (or at least I knew) Nurkic was one of the worst at interior scoring, so it is what it is. He is better than Ayton at a few things though like passing and screens.
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bwgood77 wrote:enigmatics wrote:bwgood77 wrote:He's' 58% at the rim (which is terrible) and also 2-10 or 20% from 3-10 ft. It makes it tough. For all of Ayton's faults, he was about 80% at the rim and 53% from 3-10 ft last year (a big dropoff from 59% the previous year but 52% in 20-21).
Not having some efficient interior scoring is hurting us quite a bit...particularly in the close losses where a few shots going in would have made the difference.
Ayton also wasn't playing with a starting five that consisted of a washed Eric Gordon, Grayson Allen, Josh "No Offense" Okogie, and KD. At least two of those guys have no business being in a starting 5 and NONE of them are worth a damn on offense other than chucking.
A little perspective pls. Nobody is playing well under this makeshift lineup and whatever system it is Young has them running out there. Man I cannot wait until they're healthy so we can legitimately judge what is going on. Nurks looks and #'s will improve once the health of this team does.
Right now it's just sour grapes and this bizarre theory that Ayton would be changing the landscape of what we have watched. When in his career did he ever bail out this team when they were struggling?
Ayton was playing with by a lot worse players most of last season and still shooting a much better %, despite you claiming he was sandbagging it. We knew (or at least I knew) Nurkic was one of the worst at interior scoring, so it is what it is. He is better than Ayton at a few things though like passing and screens.
You didn't answer the question because you know the answer.
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enigmatics wrote:bwgood77 wrote:enigmatics wrote:
Ayton also wasn't playing with a starting five that consisted of a washed Eric Gordon, Grayson Allen, Josh "No Offense" Okogie, and KD. At least two of those guys have no business being in a starting 5 and NONE of them are worth a damn on offense other than chucking.
A little perspective pls. Nobody is playing well under this makeshift lineup and whatever system it is Young has them running out there. Man I cannot wait until they're healthy so we can legitimately judge what is going on. Nurks looks and #'s will improve once the health of this team does.
Right now it's just sour grapes and this bizarre theory that Ayton would be changing the landscape of what we have watched. When in his career did he ever bail out this team when they were struggling?
Ayton was playing with by a lot worse players most of last season and still shooting a much better %, despite you claiming he was sandbagging it. We knew (or at least I knew) Nurkic was one of the worst at interior scoring, so it is what it is. He is better than Ayton at a few things though like passing and screens.
You didn't answer the question because you know the answer.
They were struggling pretty much every year before he came. He had plenty of big games that helped lead us to victory when others were playing poorly. It's pointless to argue about it though since you won't see it.
I mean, Ayton was fairly consistently an efficient offensive player and Nurkic rarely is...that's a fact from their careers. Fewer missed buckets helps you win in basketball.
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bwgood77 wrote:enigmatics wrote:bwgood77 wrote:
Ayton was playing with by a lot worse players most of last season and still shooting a much better %, despite you claiming he was sandbagging it. We knew (or at least I knew) Nurkic was one of the worst at interior scoring, so it is what it is. He is better than Ayton at a few things though like passing and screens.
You didn't answer the question because you know the answer.
They were struggling pretty much every year before he came. He had plenty of big games that helped lead us to victory when others were playing poorly. It's pointless to argue about it though since you won't see it.
I mean, Ayton was fairly consistently an efficient offensive player and Nurkic rarely is...that's a fact from their careers. Fewer missed buckets helps you win in basketball.
Name me a stretch like this where the team was missing its two top players and Ayton put them on his shoulders.
Still waiting ......
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Come on now
Nurk was brought in for different reasons. He cant do the things Ayton was good at, like scoring at the rim, protecting the rim, switch in D, and being delusional. Front office had to avoid the potential mopey beech in the locker room too. Shame that mentalmidget DA couldnt see how good he was going to have it here.
Oh well
We’ll likely look back on this MadMatter start as a series unproductive managerial moves that wasted Books peak yrs and ransacked our future. Thats worse case scenario, but so so easy to imagine.
Nurk was brought in for different reasons. He cant do the things Ayton was good at, like scoring at the rim, protecting the rim, switch in D, and being delusional. Front office had to avoid the potential mopey beech in the locker room too. Shame that mentalmidget DA couldnt see how good he was going to have it here.
Oh well
We’ll likely look back on this MadMatter start as a series unproductive managerial moves that wasted Books peak yrs and ransacked our future. Thats worse case scenario, but so so easy to imagine.
What ? Me Worry ?
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enigmatics wrote:bwgood77 wrote:enigmatics wrote:
You didn't answer the question because you know the answer.
They were struggling pretty much every year before he came. He had plenty of big games that helped lead us to victory when others were playing poorly. It's pointless to argue about it though since you won't see it.
I mean, Ayton was fairly consistently an efficient offensive player and Nurkic rarely is...that's a fact from their careers. Fewer missed buckets helps you win in basketball.
Name me a stretch like this where the team was missing its two top players and Ayton put them on his shoulders.
Still waiting ......
KD is their top player, or at least right their with Book. Beal hasn't even played yet. Bridges and Ayton had to put the team on their backs for awhile last year when everyone was out, and they often played poorly but they also put up big #s most of the time...and they didn't have KD..Ayton was the guy the D focused on being the best scoring option. The opposing defense here isn't going to focus on Nurkic much with KD, Gordon and even others who are bigger offensive threats. Ayton put up his highest scoring #s last year. He wasn't as efficient as before being #1 more often but he was still a hell of a lot more efficient than Nurkic. And he was still young and getting better, while Nurkic has been declining the last few years after injury like the rest of our top players outside of Book.
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Frank Lee wrote:Come on now
Nurk was brought in for different reasons. He cant do the things Ayton was good at, like scoring at the rim, protecting the rim, switch in D, and being delusional. Front office had to avoid the potential mopey beech in the locker room too. Shame that mentalmidget DA couldnt see how good he was going to have it here.
Oh well
We’ll likely look back on this MadMatter start as a series unproductive managerial moves that wasted Books peak yrs and ransacked our future. Thats worse case scenario, but so so easy to imagine.
I know...I was just commenting on the tweet posted about how he was always inefficient but it's even worse now....how right now we could use those easy interior buckets during these times. I'm certainly not expecting him to do it or knocking it. I know it's his weakness and he is maybe the worst starting big in the NBA at finishing in the paint. At least he's passing the ball..may be one of our better passers out there and actually had a couple blocks, even if he's not rebounding or scoring...and cutting down a bit on the turnovers.
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I was all in on moving forward with DA but after the trade, it was clear he had no desire to stick around. It's what it is
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3 blocks, 2 steals (4-5 deflections), 7 dimes, and 6 free throw attempts today while his offensive struggles continued. The guards were also able to take it to the rack more often because Nurk was sealing off defenders and the young athletic Detroit front line of Stewart/Duren were complete non-factors.
Again, imagine how much more opened up it will be when he's passing to the Big 3. Dude could easily average 7-8 dimes a game.
Again, imagine how much more opened up it will be when he's passing to the Big 3. Dude could easily average 7-8 dimes a game.
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enigmatics wrote:3 blocks, 2 steals (4-5 deflections), 7 dimes, and 6 free throw attempts today while his offensive struggles continued. The guards were also able to take it to the rack more often because Nurk was sealing off defenders and the young athletic Detroit front line of Stewart/Duren were complete non-factors.
Again, imagine how much more opened up it will be when he's passing to the Big 3. Dude could easily average 7-8 dimes a game.
Nurkic's production Is pretty much what I expected out of him. The only thing I'm really concerned about is his low fg percentage. im guessing his 3pt shooting has something to do with that
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