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Post#101 » by bwgood77 » Sun Mar 24, 2024 6:24 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:I really like Keshad Johnsons' athleticism, quickness and physicality with purpose! (he utilizes simple and effective moves within his physical advantages). I'd be really cool with him as a backup 3 maybe situational small ball 4 occasionally too.


Maybe he could fill the role of what we were hoping for with Miles Bridges (somewhat as a lesser budget version) but without all of the legal issues and moral concerns? :dontknow:


Yeah, I really like him too. Did you see his first awesome fast break dunk that actually missed? It looked awesome until he missed it and it was such a hard dunk try it bounced WAY out.
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Ghost of Kleine wrote:I really like Keshad Johnsons' athleticism, quickness and physicality with purpose! (he utilizes simple and effective moves within his physical advantages). I'd be really cool with him as a backup 3 maybe situational small ball 4 occasionally too.


Maybe he could fill the role of what we were hoping for with Miles Bridges (somewhat as a lesser budget version) but without all of the legal issues and moral concerns? :dontknow:


Yeah, I really like him too. Did you see his first awesome fast break dunk that actually missed? It looked awesome until he missed it and it was such a hard dunk try it bounced WAY out.


Yeah! It looked like he was gonna put Holmes on a poster big time! Would've made it on sportscenter top 10 probably if he didn't come in too hard! But it was an awesome play just the same, an a good example of the athleticism, energy and force this team lacks at times. I just wish Ballo had been able to do more. His length and girth are incredible, but his conditioning and recovery speed will need a bit of improvement so he can have a strong impact at the next level aside from being a big body banger mostly.

I'll be interested to see where Keshad lands in the 2nd round ranges. I think he might climb into the mid to late 40s' post combine, individual workouts etc. :D
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Post#103 » by bwgood77 » Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:02 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:I really like Keshad Johnsons' athleticism, quickness and physicality with purpose! (he utilizes simple and effective moves within his physical advantages). I'd be really cool with him as a backup 3 maybe situational small ball 4 occasionally too.


Maybe he could fill the role of what we were hoping for with Miles Bridges (somewhat as a lesser budget version) but without all of the legal issues and moral concerns? :dontknow:


Yeah, I really like him too. Did you see his first awesome fast break dunk that actually missed? It looked awesome until he missed it and it was such a hard dunk try it bounced WAY out.


Yeah! It looked like he was gonna put Holmes on a poster big time! Would've made it on sportscenter top 10 probably if he didn't come in too hard! But it was an awesome play just the same, an a good example of the athleticism, energy and force this team lacks at times. I just wish Ballo had been able to do more. His length and girth are incredible, but his conditioning and recovery speed will need a bit of improvement so he can have a strong impact at the next level aside from being a big body banger mostly.

I'll be interested to see where Keshad lands in the 2nd round ranges. I think he might climb into the mid to late 40s' post combine, individual workouts etc. :D


What are your thoughts on Pelle Larsson? Two white guys probably doesn't excite anyone but if we did trade down and pick up a pick, I'd be pretty happy with Larsson and Kolek. Two very high iq players that are great shooters and assist guys. If Grayson Allen and Gordon left, those two could plug some holes with shooting and passing.
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Post#104 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:35 pm

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Yeah, I really like him too. Did you see his first awesome fast break dunk that actually missed? It looked awesome until he missed it and it was such a hard dunk try it bounced WAY out.


Yeah! It looked like he was gonna put Holmes on a poster big time! Would've made it on sportscenter top 10 probably if he didn't come in too hard! But it was an awesome play just the same, an a good example of the athleticism, energy and force this team lacks at times. I just wish Ballo had been able to do more. His length and girth are incredible, but his conditioning and recovery speed will need a bit of improvement so he can have a strong impact at the next level aside from being a big body banger mostly.

I'll be interested to see where Keshad lands in the 2nd round ranges. I think he might climb into the mid to late 40s' post combine, individual workouts etc. :D


What are your thoughts on Pelle Larsson? Two white guys probably doesn't excite anyone but if we did trade down and pick up a pick, I'd be pretty happy with Larsson and Kolek. Two very high iq players that are great shooters and assist guys. If Grayson Allen and Gordon left, those two could plug some holes with shooting and passing.


I like Larson as a potential alternative option to Kolek, along with Cam spencer. Although Larson has better overall athleticism, and slightly better size. I lean slightly toward Spencer for his better overall shooting efficiency and advanced metrics, W/S, PER, BPM. But much like choosing between Holmes or Comche, I'd be pleased with either as a potential trade back or undrafted option alternative to Kolek.

The most important thing I think for me personally is that we maximize this draft and undrafted talent pool fully to address/shore up as many positional and/or depth issues and weaknesses as possible with young ATHLETIC, hungry, cost controlled talent that we can add to our mix now or develop in our G League affiliate to be cycled in after trades or inclusive sweeteners possibly? Ideally, my perfect (A+) draft night would have us landing high enough to carry percieved value to trade back in the draft and pick up an additional asset whether it becomes another pick mid to late 2nd in this draft or a future pick in one of the draft years that we have no pick. But IF we can trade back and get a later first and pick up a 2nd in the deal, then I'd pick:

1- A long, mobile, physical ATHLETIC (high end), rim protecting center that has some versatility/switchability. OR a good versatile defensive 4/5 interchangable for specific matchup schemes.

2- A solid playmaking floor general table setter type guard that can iniate offense for our bench.

3- (undrafted range) A solid two way defensive wing with versatility and lockdown perimeter defensive potential, And a long, skilled 4/5 compliment to the rim protecting defensive focused big we target, A jumbo sharpshooting wing that can be a sniper and fill the gap left by Cam Johnsons' departure. So Basically it'd look something like this.........................................

late 1st- (post trade back)
Ulriche Comche or Dayron Holmes - defensive rim protecting versatile 4/5.

2nd round pick- (acquired in trade back deal)
backup tablesetting guards:

Tyler Kolek (1st), Ajay Mitchell (2nd) Tyrese Proctor (3rd), or maybe Tristen Newton?
Pelle Larson or Cam Spencer could also be alternatives too.

(Undrafted Pool options) Top 3 at each position:

SG - Nique' Clifford (1st), Kobe Johnson (2nd), Matthew Cleveland (3rd).
SF- JT Toppin (1st) or Jamir Watkins (2nd) or Mark Mitchell (3rd).
PF- Drew Pember (1st) or Quinton Post (2nd) or Grant Nelson (3rd).
C- Cliff Omoruyi (1st), Aziz Bandaogo (2nd) or Ugonna Kingsley Oneyso (3rd).
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Re: NBA Draft Prospect watch with March Madness 

Post#105 » by Hitachi77 » Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:39 pm

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Hitachi77 wrote:Let’s get back to the elite 8 for the first time in 9 years!


The skies the limit with this team. I don’t normally say this but I truly believe Caleb Love has potential to lead us to the final 4. He’s resilient and unafraid to fail. He has ice in his veins and I believe he will be huge for UofA as the rounds proceed.


Ya I agree. Would love to get to the final 4 obv, been a mega long time there.
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Re: NBA Draft Prospect watch with March Madness 

Post#106 » by bwgood77 » Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:12 pm

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Hitachi77 wrote:Let’s get back to the elite 8 for the first time in 9 years!


The skies the limit with this team. I don’t normally say this but I truly believe Caleb Love has potential to lead us to the final 4. He’s resilient and unafraid to fail. He has ice in his veins and I believe he will be huge for UofA as the rounds proceed.


Ya I agree. Would love to get to the final 4 obv, been a mega long time there.


Clemson just hit a 3 at the halftime buzzer to go up 10 on Baylor. AZ will play one of them next before probably having to face NC to go to the final 4.
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Re: NBA Draft Prospect watch with March Madness 

Post#107 » by Hitachi77 » Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:48 pm

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The skies the limit with this team. I don’t normally say this but I truly believe Caleb Love has potential to lead us to the final 4. He’s resilient and unafraid to fail. He has ice in his veins and I believe he will be huge for UofA as the rounds proceed.


Ya I agree. Would love to get to the final 4 obv, been a mega long time there.


Clemson just hit a 3 at the halftime buzzer to go up 10 on Baylor. AZ will play one of them next before probably having to face NC to go to the final 4.


Yeah what’s interesting is that AZ has better odds to win it all than NC. I like this teams chances of beating anyone, but can def lose any game too. Guess that’s always true with March Madness.
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Re: NBA Draft Prospect watch with March Madness 

Post#108 » by bwgood77 » Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:51 pm

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Ya I agree. Would love to get to the final 4 obv, been a mega long time there.


Clemson just hit a 3 at the halftime buzzer to go up 10 on Baylor. AZ will play one of them next before probably having to face NC to go to the final 4.


Yeah what’s interesting is that AZ has better odds to win it all than NC. I like this teams chances of beating anyone, but can def lose any game too. Guess that’s always true with March Madness.


Yeah, AZ is the type of team that does well in tourneys. They have 4 seniors, 3 of which are projected to go in the draft or be signed as an UDFA, and 1 sophomore who is projected to go maybe late 2nd but probably would get signed.

Those experienced teams that have been playing together a while typically do better than teams with the top one and done prospects, which is why teams like Duke, Kentucky, etc, often get knocked out early (and AZ with Ayton or Markkanen).
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Post#109 » by SunsRback4Good » Mon Mar 25, 2024 12:22 am

Looks looks it’ll be Clemson vs Arizona on Thursday @ 4:09pm (CBS)
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Post#110 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Mar 26, 2024 4:13 am

Top late 2nd round to undrafted range defensive small forwards list
Part 3 of 5

1- JT Toppin- (New Mexico)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jt-toppin-1.html
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospect-profiles/nba-draft-scouting-report-new-mexicos-jt-toppin

At 6'9 with good speed, lateral mobility, a high motor, impressive defensive versatility and solid vertical burst, Obi Toppins' (Indiana Pacers) younger brother is a very versatile swiss army knife 3/4 that generates 3.1 stocks while putting up very solid production. A really good comparison for him given his overall two way versatility would be Larry Nance Jr of the Pels. He'd be an awesome value pick as a productive jumbo wing with sloid defense and switchability likely from the undrafted pool!

2- Teafale Leonard- (Texas Legends/ G League)
https://gleague.nba.com/player/1641986/teafale-lenard,-jr
https://www.si.com/nba/lakers/news/south-bay-lakers-select-all-defensive-wing-with-no-2-pick-in-g-league-draft-mb2002#:~:text=Lenard%20is%20a%206'7,Mention%20All%2DConference%2DUSA.
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Lenard is a very long, wiry, very quick, very explosive defensive wing specialist with absolute lockdown potential across multiple positions. He's a very good on ball and off ball defender, elite weakside recovery rim protector that'll sky for blocks quickly out of nowhere. And even though his shooting efficiency and offensive production have regressed, he does have guard skills, a solid basketball IQ, and some underrated playmaking instincts too. He's just been asked to focus mostly on the defensive end for his role with the legends. He's more or less a longer, quicker, more vertically explosive version of Cory Brewer/Marquis Daniels (Mavs).

3- Jamir Watkins- (Florida State)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jamir-watkins-1.html
https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/jamir-watkins-is-doing-everything
https://chopchat.com/posts/florida-state-men-s-basketball-jamir-watkins-delivers-junior-year-to-remember-01hs80e2zyey

Jamir Watkins is a strong, gritty, tenacious and versatile 6'7-6'8 wing that has some guard skills, good ball handling, good passing ability, he's a strong aggressive rebounder and driver to the hoop that embraces physicality. He is also a tough shotmaker when called upon, and can operate as a secondary playmaker if needed. Jamir has explosive vertical burst and a high end motor and good tenacity. With his toughness and high end production and strong defensive potential, he's kind of a mix of Dillon Brooks (without the azzhattery) and a bigger Jesean Tate. He's another strong value option as an undrafted range prospect.

4- BaBa Miller- ( Florida State)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/baba-miller-1.html
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospect-profiles/nba-draft-scouting-report-florida-states-baba-miller#gid=ci02aa0481f00025c7&pid=usatsi_20165808

BaBa Miller is one of the biggest boom/bust prospects in the entire draft, but much like Bol Bol, he has very unique outlier traits that could make him absolutely elite if he can put it all together. At 6'11 (basically 7'0 with a 7'2 wingspan) Miller has really good ballhandling ability, underrated passing ability, is incredibly fluid and has incredible versatility at hois size. with his length, size and impressive mobility and recovery/agility, he's able to guard 1-5, having the size and length to guard bigs, but also the quickness and fluidity to also guard wings and point guards out on the perimeter. The downside with Miller is that he's still fairly raw and needs to greatly improve his strength and his shooting efficiency/production. IF he can do that, he'll be a lottery level talent!! IF he can hit his ceiling defensively, he'll be a smoother two way version of Jonathan Isaac. His floor will be dollar store version of a bigger lamar Odom/Vlade Divac.

5- Mark Mitchell- Duke)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/mark-mitchell-4.html
https://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2024/02/duke-mens-basketball-x-factor-miami-mark-mitchell-norchad-omier#:~:text=According%20to%20CBB%20Analytics%2C%20Duke,defensive%20statistics%20in%20the%20ACC.

Mark Mitchell is a strong, athletic, physical 6'9 jumbo wing with impressive vertical burst that can guard across multiple positions, He rebounds well, and has some underrated passing/court vision capabilities. He's got good anticipation in the passing lanes as a disruptive defender. And he is a strong driver to the rim where he finishes with authority. His offense is currently not good yet lacking a solid face up game, and he'll need to make significant improvement on the offensive side of the ball, but he is pretty solid defensively and moves well laterally as a positional defender. He's more of a mix of prime Thad Young but with better athleticism. Or a more athletic quicker and more fluid Montrez Harrell perhaps.

6- Emmanuel Miller- (TCU)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/emanuel-miller-1.html
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Miller is a strong, athletic, physical very versatile two way wing with an absolutely relentless motor defensively and a high basketball IQ that can do multiple things well on both sides of the ball. He's a relentless, smothering high motor/non stop defender like Matisse thybulle but who also is very solid in numerous categories like Kenrich Williams but with a splash of Ron Artests' physicality and aggressiveness. Emannuel Miller has a very strong work ethic, and has drastically improved his shooting and overall offensive game too! Miller as an undrafted range signing, could become one of the biggest two way steals of this entire draft!!

7- Keshad Johnson- ( Arizona)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/keshad-johnson-1.html
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/2024-nba-draft-keshad-johnson-scouting-report-arizona-wildcats-basketball

Keshad is just a strong, physical, ultra athletic solid power wing that makes smart plays, plays hard with physicality and aggression. And he's very versatile and productive in his role as a two way wing with tenacious physical defense. He's kind of a mix of lance Stephenson/ Stephen Jackson in his playstyle, but with Miles Bridges athleticism and surprising vertical burst. He'd add great value and much needed toughness and edge as a late 2nd to undrafted range prospect.

8- Samis Calderon- (Brazil) ** 6'7 with a 7'2 wingspan!!! Global Camp Defensive Co MVP.
https://www.proballers.com/basketball/player/264044/samis-calderon
https://nbadraftroom.com/samis-calderon/


9- Tyon Grant Foster- (GCU) *** Ish Wainwrights' cousin.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tyon-grant-foster-1.html
https://edemirnba.substack.com/p/tyon-grant-foster-scouting-report
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/college-prospect-spotlight-grand-canyon-tyon-grant-foster-draft

Tyon grant Foster (Ish Wainwrights' cousin is a 6'7 dynamic and really smooth, versatile potent scorer with good change of pace and direction upon penetration, the ability to creatively score in bunches and guard across multiple positions due to his high motor and tenacious defensive nature. He has underrated athleticism, a solid basketball IQ, is a crafty passer and playmaker with secondary playmaking potential. He has good ballhandling and also has good decision making instincts. He's a very disruptive defender in the passing lanes due to his great defensive anticipation and recovery abilities. Tyon grant Foster is a mix of a budget low end Franz Wagner (playmaking/ballhandling/penetration) and Jalen Williams (scoring and getting to the rim).


10- Jalen Bridges- (Baylor)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jalen-bridges-1.html
https://nbadraftroom.com/jalen-bridges/#:~:text=Draft%20Notes,finishing%20ability%20in%20the%20lane.
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospect-profiles/nba-draft-scouting-report-baylors-jalen-bridges

Jalen Bridges is just a very solid, nothing flashy yet athletic, mobile reliable 3 & D wing with good size at 6'9, great defensive anticipationj and recovery instincts, a solid faceup game and deep range on his three point shot. He's also a good weakside shotblocker, and offers great switchability as a 6'9 jumbo defensive wing with floor spacing ability. Bridges is simply a 6'9 athletic, physical mix of Jae Crowder and Trevor Ariza. More substance than flash. Although he doesn't offer high end potential, Bridges is about as solid as you can hope for in a 3 & D wing with floor spacing skillset. He's also a solid rebounder with a consistent motor.

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- *** DILLON MITCHELL (Texas)
- Malevy Leons (Bradley)
- Taylor Bol Bowen (Florida State)
- Baye Ndongo ( Georgia Tech)
- Nathan Missia Dio (OTE/ Belgium)
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Post#111 » by Fifii » Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:50 pm

GoK

What do you think about Tyler Kolek ? I read that he is similar player to TJ which was our target in last TD

Maybe in this weak draft we should draft him because our lack of PG
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Post#112 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Mar 26, 2024 3:52 pm

Fifii wrote:GoK

What do you think about Tyler Kolek ? I read that he is similar player to TJ which was our target in last TD

Maybe in this weak draft we should draft him because our lack of PG


I love Kolek and his style of play! And yes, it does remind me somewhat of Nash with his uncanny court vision and "in game processing" abilities/poise too. That being said, I would love to have him in a "trade down" scenario with an additional pick coming back, BUT I would not use our singular pick on him without a specific plan in place to also secure a strong, athletic, rim protecting big. Either a rim protecting 5, or a physical, athltic 4/5. Kolek would be awesome for our bench for sure! However, I am legitimately concerned about his level of impact/ overall success when scaling up against legit bigger, stronger, faster, significantly more athletic competition in the NBA.

So if his only role would be identical to McConnells' as a career bench tablesetter, then sign me up right now! But I don't see a trajectory for him becoming a starting guard because of his overall athletic deficencies againsty top level competition. Again, Ideally our 1st round pick should be used in a trade back scenario wherein we get back a later AND an additional pick (2nd round) and that additional 2nd should be used on Kolek (1st) or Ajay Mitchell (2nd) perhaps? :dontknow:
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Post#113 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:51 pm

Top underrated potential hidden gem late 2nd - undrafted range Power Forward prospects:
Part 4 of 5

1- Johni Broome- (Auburn- 4/5)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/johni-broome-1.html
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/first-round-hopeful-johni-broome-stars-for-auburn-in-loss-to-tennessee
https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/the-rescoutables-jalen-bridges-johni

Johni Broome at 6'10 235lbs with a 7'1 wingspan is just a rugged,versatile, no frills blue collar high motor, mobile, high IQ defensive power forward/ small ball center version of Jarrett Allen with offensive abilities and floor spacing abilities. And although he's not an elite athlete, he uses his size and length very well. He's very productive and one of IF NOT the very best defensive 4/5 in this entire draft for his size behind Donovan Clingan (with opponents shooting under 40% with him defending them). He'd be an extreme value low usage dirtworker defensive big that wouldn't take shots away from our big three, and knows and accepts his role with a strong work ethic and humility. He's a mix of Jarrett Allen defensively, and Bobby Portis versatility.

2- Drew Pember- (UNC-Ashville- 4/5)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/drew-pember-1.html
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospect-profiles/nba-draft-scouting-report-unc-ashevilles-drew-pember#:~:text=Prospect%20Profile,-
Originally%20from%20Knoxville&text=At%206%2Dfoot%2D11%2C,Pember's%20fluidity%20for%20his%20size.

At 6'11 and closer to 220 lbs, Drew Pember is an under the radar "Unicorn" type of unique big in that not only is he very skilled, with ahigh IQ, and very athletic. But at his size, there's really almost nothing that he can't do on the court. At 6'11, to say his fluidity and versatility is ELITE would be an understatement. Pember can shoot, pass, handle the ball, rebound, is a legit rim protector (11.3% Block percentage). He's got solid burst, and a nasty first step on penetration, processes the game at an advanced level, has a high motor, and is a rugged/ tenacious defender with multipositional switchability. Drew Pember is more or less a more athletic and more fluid shotblocking version of Frank Kaminsky with better versatility and switchability on both ends.

3- Amari Williams- (Drexel- 4/5)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/amari-williams-2.html
https://www.si.com/college/indiana/basketball/drexel-transfer-amari-williams-receives-interest-from-indiana-basketball#:~:text=Williams%20is%20a%206%2Dfoot,shots%2C%20roughly%20two%20per%20game.
https://www.flohoops.com/articles/11456573-5-things-to-know-about-drexel-basketballs-amari-williams

At 6'10 250 lbs and a 7'5 wingspan and good athleticism and vertical burst, Amari Williams is the perfect name for this big that shares athletic and skill attributes of BOTH Amari Stoudamire and Robert "timelord Williams defensively! Amari is a vastly underrated power big 4/5 that can actually dribble/drive, pass, handle the ball (a bit), rebounds strong, plays a physical aggressive smashmouth game, blocks shots well, and is a very strong and physically dominant paint presence. Similar to (early career) Amare Stoudamire offensively in that he's a powerfully built post player with an impressive developing dribble/drive game and a developing face up game as well. He dominates in the paint with his power and physicality like a slightly smaller Embiid. But he absolutely has ELITE DEFENSIVE potential similar to Robert Williams with great defensive awareness, recovery, lateral mobility and uses his length and power well with stellar defensive timing. He's still a bit raw currently and doesn't produce as much as players with greater usage, but his two way potential is sky high!

4- Joel Soriano- (St Johns- 4/5)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/joel-soriano-1.html
https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/no-stone-unturned-2023-the-big-men

Joel Soriano at 6'11 260 lbs (currently) is just a big, ultra physical, very strong dominant post 4/5 that plays with power and tenacity.He's a walking double/double 2nd only to Zach Edey in that category. But Joel is also a surprisingly good floor spacer and passer too. Soriano plays a physical rugged style of basketball, but at his size will also surprise you with his lateral mobility and recovery as well as his underrated passing, shotblocking, absurd 15.1% rebounding percentage, and his faceup ability and ability to hit the three. Soriano is kind of a mix of Boogie Cousins and Kurt Thomas but without the crazy and unpredictableness. Or a more athletic and quicker version of Nurkic!

5- Zonimir Ivisic- (Kentucky- 4/5)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/zvonimir-ivisic-1.html
https://nbadraftroom.com/zvonimir-ivisic/#:~:text=Draft%20Notes,isn't%20very%20explosive%20vertically.
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospect-profiles/nba-draft-scouting-report-croatias-zvonimir-ivisic

At 7'3 220 lbs with a near 7'7 wingspan and the mobility and fluidity of a wing, Ivisic is just a very versatile and dynamic/skilled wing/forward version of Porzingis/ Wemby upside. Zonimir can do a bit of everything in that he can handle the ball, pass, shoot and space the floor, rebound, block shots, and defend well in space and on the perimeter to a decent level. He'll need to definitely add more strength and polish to his game, but he's a high ceiling 7'3 unicorn big with elite versatility. Again, I see him as a jumbo wing version of Porzingis. or a slightly less athletic, less polished/skilled version of Wemby! He should be a top target for us IF we are sure to lose Bol Bol in upcoming free agency as a great equitable replacement option in that role. His brother Tomislav is intriuging too for his size. :wink:

6- Maxime Raynaud- (Stanford- 4/5)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/maxime-raynaud-1.html
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4898371/maxime-raynaud
At 7-1 251 lbs with a 7'6 wingspan, impressive versatility/ fluidity for his size, Maxime is a very skilled jumbo 4/5 in the mold of a Pau Gasol/ Vade Divac. To understand my perspective better on this, Maximes' skillset has him at 7'1 as a high IQ, very mobile, long big with really good fluidity, impressive passing, smooth shooting and a solid three point shot, good in game processing as an offensive iniator, decent weakside recovery with good motor and tenacious attitude. sets good picks, and make solid decisions with the ball. Overall, he's very skilled and mobile with a good basketball IQ that helps him be really productive. He's a mix of a 7'1 bargain bin Pau gasol and a non bust Bargnani with more size. Or a thicker, longer better passing Frank Kaminsky perhaps.

7- Quinton Post- (Boston College- 4/5)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/quinten-post-1.html
https://clutchpoints.com/nba-draft-news-boston-college-standout-quinten-post-declares-2023
https://www.nbascoutinglive.com/quinten-post/

Quinten Post at 7'0 240 lbs wit6h a 7'3-7'4 wingspan is a very skilled 7'0 4/5 that's just a smart, very solid and fundamentally sound big who's impactful on both sides of the floor. Post can play in the paint, pass well, rebound, block shots, space the floor, has a solid motor, can defend in space and has decent recovery speed. he's an energetic rebounder and a floor spacer with very deep range too. He's not overtly athletic, but can play above the rim reasonably well,he's a gritty tenacious defender that doesn't shy wawy from physicality either. Overall, Quinten Post is a bigger,longer mix of a very skilled and versatile Jock Landale offensively, and an energetic Jacob Poetl on defense.

8- Grant Nelson- ( Alabama- 4/5)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/grant-nelson-1.html
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospect-profiles/nba-draft-scouting-report-north-dakota-states-grant-nelson
https://nbadraftroom.com/grant-nelson/

At 6'11 235 lbs with a near 7'1 wingspan and plus athleticism and vertical burst, a high motor, impressive fluidity and a tenacious, gritty nature, Nelson is electrifying at times and plays with bravado and an edge to his game. He At 6'11 with impressive fluidity, bounce, impressive versatility and skill, Nelson plays like an edgy, gritty 6'11 JUMBO WING/FORWARD with a chip on his shoulder attitude. He'll need to get stronger and definitely add more polish to his game to become a high level contributor at the 4/5 in the NBA. But he already possesses intruiging attributes. Grant Nelson is pretty much a budget version of Lauri Markannen with less polish and shooting. As an undrafted two way prospect, he'd offer significant value with his size/versatility and fluidity. And his potential high level upside.

9- Brandon Huntley Hatfield- (Louisville- 4)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/brandon-huntley-hatfield-1.html
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/brandon-huntley-hatfield/
https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/five-unique-prospects-with-a-shot

BHH at 6'10 235 lbs is just a rugged, physical, athletic, mobile 4/5 with a blue collar utility mindset that also shows early elements of intruiging skills and polish at times. He's long, strong, smart, a decent shooter with a good faceup game, drives and finishes strong at the rim, is an underrated and crafty passer, is also a strong rebounder with an impressive ( 11.3%) offensive rebounding percentage. BHH can also handle the ball and can occasionally take it coast to coast. The flashes are there at times wherein he looks like a mix of Early (rookie stage) Julius Randle and Bobby Portis (in terms of versatility and motor).

10- Danny Wolf (Yale)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/danny-wolf-1.html
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/college-prospect-spotlight-yales-danny-wolf-

Danny Wolf at 7'0 255 lbs is a thick, burly yet very skilled versatile 4/5 with an underrated game due to playing in a weaker conference. Wolf doesn't have any elite athleticism, foot speed or shotblocking at his size, and he won't dazzle you or impress you with his athleticism because he just doesn't have much. But he uses his size, girth, length well, is a smart high IQ basketball player that plays a rugged game and embraces physicality well. He's a very underrated passer, has a surprising dribble/ drive game that makes him hard to stop going downhill, he's a tenacious rebounder and physical defender and a shockingly good 3PT shooter floor spacer having hit around 48% from three on over two attempts per game while also pposting a 14.9 assist% and 2,5 stocks. Overall, Wolf much like Quinten Post, is a very skilled, very versatile rugged big 4/5 with a polished perimeter faceup skillset and deep three point range. He's another mix of a bigger Jock Landale with better shooting, or a more polished better shooting version of Brad Miller perhaps?


Honorable Mentions
-Damion Collins- (Lousiana State- 4/5)
A strong,long, super explosive ELITE VERTICAL mix of a more vertically explosive dollar store Anthony Davis/ skinny Dwight Howard.

- Robbie Avila- (Indiana State)
"Baby Jokic" is an apt description for his size, doughy/ unathletic build and yet effective high IQ crafty game that makes the game look easy with his ELITE passing for a 6'10 big man connector. He's also very similar in many ways to Dario Saric both in build, athletcism, but also versatility and effort. He's a knockdown 3Pt shooter at 44% though.

- Ousmane N'Diaye- (Palencia Spain)
A long, very quick, very agile and fluid 6'11 SF/PF that can handle the ball, pass, shoot well from distance, drive to the rim with strength, slash well, and guard at multiple positions 1-5. IF he was only stronger and more polished already, he'd be a lottery pick level talent, but is still pretty raw in need of seasoning.
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Post#114 » by bwgood77 » Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:35 am

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What do you think about Tyler Kolek ? I read that he is similar player to TJ which was our target in last TD

Maybe in this weak draft we should draft him because our lack of PG


He's way better than TJ McConnell. I watched TJ in college. Kolek averages more assists than anyone. In the tourney he's had 18 and 11 and 21 and 11. That's a lot of assists for college. He also shoots 40% from 3. He averaged almost 8 apg this year as s senior. TJ McConnell averaged 32% from 3 his last year. He was decent but not nearly the same player.

Kolek is the same height as Nash. Nash averaged 6 apg as a senior and shot 34% from 3.

I'm not saying he's Nash but he's probably a bit closer to him than TJ. It's just really hard to know...some PGs make it and some don't, but he looks VERY high IQ. I've also seen him compared to Dragic. It's crazy given his size how he finishes at the rim with his left hand...and they different ways he uses the backboard.

Givony says if he returns he could attempt to win national player of the year honors...ala Jalen Brunson, who went 33rd in the draft.

From Jonathan Givony:

Kolek is one of the best stories in the NCAA tournament. An unheralded transfer from George Mason who emerged as the best point guard in college basketball, he led Marquette to a Big East tournament championship and earned conference player of the year honors and All-American status. Kolek doesn't look the part at first glance with a stumpy frame, limited length, average explosiveness and a funky lefty shooting stroke. However, he is a tremendous ball handler who picks apart defenses, gets anywhere on the floor, finishes with toughness at the rim, makes every pass you'd hope for out of pick-and-rolls and is a far better defender than you'd expect. Kolek, who will turn 22 later this month, needs to decide whether to try to strike while the iron is hot or return to Marquette and attempt to win national player of the year honors and vie for a national championship for a team that should return most of its players
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Post#115 » by Djedefre » Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:00 pm

Kolek is a very, very smart player. Physical limitations aside, i'd take a flyer on him with no hesitation.

Wouldn't shy away from Knecht in the 1st round, that geezer can ball. Flawed prospect, of course, but if he has the right mindset (which our team of professionals /if we have them at all/ should take seriously and do some work to make an assessment), there is no reason why he shouldn't become a legit rotational player in year 2 with his current strengths.

We absolutely NEED to nail this draft if we want to survive. So, no pressure.
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Post#116 » by bwgood77 » Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:45 pm

Djedefre wrote:Kolek is a very, very smart player. Physical limitations aside, i'd take a flyer on him with no hesitation.

Wouldn't shy away from Knecht in the 1st round, that geezer can ball. Flawed prospect, of course, but if he has the right mindset (which our team of professionals /if we have them at all/ should take seriously and do some work to make an assessment), there is no reason why he shouldn't become a legit rotational player in year 2 with his current strengths.

We absolutely NEED to nail this draft if we want to survive. So, no pressure.


I like Knecht, however I'd kind of like a more all around player, a rim protecting big, or a high iq PG. Steals in college are supposed to be a pretty good indicator of translation to NBA for whatever reason and he averages .8 per 36 while Kolek, for instance, averages 1.8 per 36.
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Post#117 » by Slim Charless » Wed Mar 27, 2024 5:54 pm

I've missed GoK's way too in depth scouting reports on random 2nd round prospects who will likely never play a meaningful minute in an NBA regular season or playoff game.

Always appreciate the effort GoK!
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Post#118 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:25 pm

Slim Charless wrote:I've missed GoK's way too in depth scouting reports on random 2nd round prospects who will likely never play a meaningful minute in an NBA regular season or playoff game.

Always appreciate the effort GoK!


LOL! Just check out the previous pages man! They'll be waiting for you to peruse. I already have those reports/ lists (slightly more concise this time) posted throughout pages 1-5 with my final list for the backup center position dropping in the next day or two for reference man. I also have an extreme outlier bonus hidden gem prospects list I might drop sometime next week. All of these are a decent distraction at the least, and a good source of solid value cost controlled undiscovered talent considerations IF our scouts and "do nothing" Jones actually choose to not blatantly ignore the draft this summer. Which I really hope that they wise up and don't ignore it, as it's easily our best and most fruitful way of adding cost controlled talent, positional depth, and potential assets with perceived desirability/upside. :D
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Post#120 » by bwgood77 » Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:35 pm

I also really like Dillon Jones...he looks strong but I wish he shot the 3 a little better, but love his assists, steals,rebounds, and he's strong. Even though he doesn't shoot the 3 well, he still has a 60% TS%. He's got a great handle, can finish well, just an all around solid player with a high iq.

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