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Re: The Trade Thread (Booker is UNTOUCHABLE so dont even ask!) 

Post#1001 » by RaisingArizona » Sat Feb 13, 2016 2:57 pm

JJ13 wrote:I'm drunk but just want to say one thing...everyone says McD is great at drafting. Only good pick he's made is Booker, who evvvvvvverybody would have drafted at 13...he dropped and we took advantage, that doesn't make McD a genius. Only good move McD has made is Dudley for Bled...other than that he needs to humble up and stop being a robot, he's not that good

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Post#1002 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:07 pm

Say, would Keef, Len, Tucker and Mirza be pretty good return for the Cavs in a Love trade? If we were willing to take back Varejao as well and send Knight to a third team... I suspect that might work. Of course, I'd prefer to move Love to Boston for the BKN pick, Rozier and Sullinger in that scenario. It would suck losing Len, but that's what makes this a fair deal. IDK.

Cavs would be wise to look into MCW as well as Keef, given how well they match up with GSW. MCW might be having a disappointing season, but his length is a problem for Curry.
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Post#1003 » by dremill24 » Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:11 pm

I don't understand why people want Love here.

And I don't understand why people think the Cavs would trade him for just the **** pieces we have that we don't want. Get real you guys
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Post#1004 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:15 pm

My goals for this trade deadline:

1. Trade Keef, Tucker, Mirza to highest bidder - preferably in a large deal.
2. Trade Knight for value. We have no need for him, since he evidently can't play point.
3. Grab a young 4. There are only three that are evident to my wandering eye - Sullinger, Saric, Lyles. Don't know how available Saric and Lyles are, but Sully should be attainable.

I'm hoping we do a blockbuster that accomplishes all three.
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Post#1005 » by BobbieL » Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:19 pm

dremill24 wrote:I don't understand why people want Love here.

And I don't understand why people think the Cavs would trade him for just the **** pieces we have that we don't want. Get real you guys


If you look at the Cavs roster - it is top heavy with bigs who do not play much against the teams the Cavs will need to beat to win an NBA Title and those teams are the Spurs and Warriors: Mozgov, Tristan, Love, Varejao and Kahn

So, the idea is that a guy like Kieff - who can score the ball with a mid-range game and Knight (who is a better wing) than JR Smith or Shumpert - would balance the floor better with LeBron and Kyrie. Or at least that is what I see happening

Its a long shot - -but on the surface, it doesn't have merit. Deeper down, it does have merit. And if the Cavs think Anthony will help them - they are DEAD WRONG!! Keep Love
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Post#1006 » by BobbieL » Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:21 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:My goals for this trade deadline:

1. Trade Keef, Tucker, Mirza to highest bidder - preferably in a large deal.
2. Trade Knight for value. We have no need for him, since he evidently can't play point.
3. Grab a young 4. There are only three that are evident to my wandering eye - Sullinger, Saric, Lyles. Don't know how available Saric and Lyles are, but Sully should be attainable.

I'm hoping we do a blockbuster that accomplishes all three.


I think Kieff and Tucker will be separate trades

I like the idea of a young 4 since Kieff is being traded
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Post#1007 » by NavLDO » Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:41 pm

MrMiyagi wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:
JJ13 wrote:I'm drunk but just want to say one thing...everyone says McD is great at drafting. Only good pick he's made is Booker, who evvvvvvverybody would have drafted at 13...he dropped and we took advantage, that doesn't make McD a genius. Only good move McD has made is Dudley for Bled...other than that he needs to humble up and stop being a robot, he's not that good



How are Len, Warren, Archie (given how he's played since getting minutes this year), and Bogdan (given how his stock has jumped overseas), bad picks? Seriously, I want to read this logic.

Because McD didn't actually have to make those picks, the decision was made for him by the teams drafting ahead.

But JJ13 said he was drunk, so logic ain't exactly enhanced.


And not evvvvvvverybody would've chosen Booker; RHJ, Oubre, Payne, and Dekker were all in play as Lotto picks and were 'mocked' as such within the final two weeks before the draft. It's not like Booker was mocked consistently in the top 8 before the draft and he 'slid' all the way down to 13.

And as I mentioned in a couple of posts last week, Len has played pretty well, when given minutes the past month and a half. Noel was NOT given the 'green light' by the med staff, so other than Gobert, Len has played about as well as can be expected.
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Post#1008 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:55 pm

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dremill24 wrote:I don't understand why people want Love here.

And I don't understand why people think the Cavs would trade him for just the **** pieces we have that we don't want. Get real you guys


If you look at the Cavs roster - it is top heavy with bigs who do not play much against the teams the Cavs will need to beat to win an NBA Title and those teams are the Spurs and Warriors: Mozgov, Tristan, Love, Varejao and Kahn

So, the idea is that a guy like Kieff - who can score the ball with a mid-range game and Knight (who is a better wing) than JR Smith or Shumpert - would balance the floor better with LeBron and Kyrie. Or at least that is what I see happening


I don't think Knight is a good fit for the Cavs at all, but I really think our other pieces - Tucker, Keef, Len and Mirza - could help them win. Len's a better rim protector than Mozgov (I'd obviously much prefer to give them Chandler, and if they're more keen on Chandler than Len due to his experience, by all means, trade Chandler instead!). Keef matches up very well with Draymond Green. Tucker can switch between Green and Curry and he provides a level of defensive toughness the Cavs don't have. Mirza is a lot like the power forward version of JR Smith - he can shoot from deeper and with a quicker release than Love, at a higher percentage. If the Cavs are looking to win, I really view this as a package that could help them do it.

In terms of value - right, we're not exactly eager to keep 3/4 of those guys. But they are objectively valuable players. I talk about moving Knight to a third team to get the value right. I'm not actually all that interested in Love, given where this team is in terms of its development. If the Celts have a package centered around picks and young players, I can't imagine the Cavs would be interested. But we sure as hell would.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ha9uwvk

I wouldn't even need picks to do this deal. The Cavs could take 'em. Next year, we'd have:

Bledsoe/Rozier
Booker/[Knight]/Goodwin
Warren
Sullinger/Leuer
Len/Varejao

You could add Melo to this general framework: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hukfws7

Since we'd be taking back Varejao and keeping Chandler in this version, while dealing Knight, I would expect to get one of the BKN picks in return. Otherwise, it's not worth losing Len.
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Post#1009 » by gaspar » Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:58 pm

NavLDO wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:

How are Len, Warren, Archie (given how he's played since getting minutes this year), and Bogdan (given how his stock has jumped overseas), bad picks? Seriously, I want to read this logic.

Because McD didn't actually have to make those picks, the decision was made for him by the teams drafting ahead.

But JJ13 said he was drunk, so logic ain't exactly enhanced.


And not evvvvvvverybody would've chosen Booker; RHJ, Oubre, Payne, and Dekker were all in play as Lotto picks and were 'mocked' as such within the final two weeks before the draft. It's not like Booker was mocked consistently in the top 8 before the draft and he 'slid' all the way down to 13.

And as I mentioned in a couple of posts last week, Len has played pretty well, when given minutes the past month and a half. Noel was NOT given the 'green light' by the med staff, so other than Gobert, Len has played about as well as can be expected.

If we drafted players the Suns fans liked the most in the last 2 drafts, right now we would have Motrezl Harrell (or Looney) and Adreian Payne instead of Booker and Warren.

Here's what 2 of the biggest McDonough's critics on this board had to say on the draft night:
Sunsdeuce wrote:So Suns get to draft a life long role player. You will fit right in with a team filled with role players, Booker.

This makes me sick. 6 years burning tires in the mudd.

saintEscaton wrote:Alright we should take Lyles. Booker will never be anything other than a spot up/off the ball perimeter shooter. Just cauz he's light skinned doesnt mean he's Klay Thompson 2.0 LOL

saintEscaton wrote:Booker can't create for himself off the dribble or get penetration, plays suspect defense and really the only argument for his upside is "well he was underutilized by Calipari and overshadowed in Kentucky and is still really young and a baby. Oh and he's bigger than Klay at 18."
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Post#1010 » by Qwigglez » Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:59 pm

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Its one of the reasons I find a trade with the Raptors for Scola, JJ and Delon Wright more appealing than Ersan ILysaova - because it gets two contracts that are expiring. Ilyasova has one more year left

Ainge is something else if he can swing a three team deal with the Cavs and Celtics. My guess is that David Lee would go from Boston to NY as an expiring. And if the Cavs get Anthony - not sure that helps them. Believe it or not, I still think the trade of Kieff and Knight for Love helps the Cavs more. If you want to include Tucker for Mozgov - that might work too.


I agree. But the fans loves star players forming up to create the next big three. If the Cavs have a deal lined up to get Melo I'd think they'd rather have that though then two above average starters (borderline all-stars?) in Knight/Kieff.


I get the star power of Carmelo. And there is ZERO doubt he can score the ball. But is he REALLY want the Cavs need to beat the Warriors, Thunder or Spurs in the Finals. Or even Toronto or the Bulls. I know I am guided by the Suns - but Kieff and Knight in, Love and JR out - and I think the Cavs are better. Like I said, Tucker for Mozgov also frees up minues.

And yes, if the three team trade were
Love to the Celtics
Kieff and Knight to the Cavs
Mozgov and Lee to the Suns
I would have to thnk about that

If we got back that Nets pick, absolutely do this.
I was onboard to get Love, but I don't think he moves the needle for us to be contenders again. Bledsoe isn't the PG we need either, yeah him and Love could make the Suns somewhat relevant but I'd rather be a facilitator where we help get expirings and draft picks in a big trade this year. We are maybe two pieces away from being relevant but we need more development in our young guys before we are in contender status.
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Re: The Trade Thread (Booker is UNTOUCHABLE so dont even ask!) 

Post#1011 » by RaisingArizona » Sat Feb 13, 2016 4:30 pm

gaspar wrote:
NavLDO wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:Because McD didn't actually have to make those picks, the decision was made for him by the teams drafting ahead.

But JJ13 said he was drunk, so logic ain't exactly enhanced.


And not evvvvvvverybody would've chosen Booker; RHJ, Oubre, Payne, and Dekker were all in play as Lotto picks and were 'mocked' as such within the final two weeks before the draft. It's not like Booker was mocked consistently in the top 8 before the draft and he 'slid' all the way down to 13.

And as I mentioned in a couple of posts last week, Len has played pretty well, when given minutes the past month and a half. Noel was NOT given the 'green light' by the med staff, so other than Gobert, Len has played about as well as can be expected.

If we drafted players the Suns fans liked the most in the last 2 drafts, right now we would have Motrezl Harrell (or Looney) and Adreian Payne instead of Booker and Warren.

Here's what 2 of the biggest McDonough's critics on this board had to say on the draft night:
Sunsdeuce wrote:So Suns get to draft a life long role player. You will fit right in with a team filled with role players, Booker.

This makes me sick. 6 years burning tires in the mudd.

saintEscaton wrote:Alright we should take Lyles. Booker will never be anything other than a spot up/off the ball perimeter shooter. Just cauz he's light skinned doesnt mean he's Klay Thompson 2.0 LOL

saintEscaton wrote:Booker can't create for himself off the dribble or get penetration, plays suspect defense and really the only argument for his upside is "well he was underutilized by Calipari and overshadowed in Kentucky and is still really young and a baby. Oh and he's bigger than Klay at 18."


Haha.True.I remember a lot of people against Booker at the time. Please research what ginobiliflops said about Booker before the draft :wink:
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Post#1012 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sat Feb 13, 2016 4:31 pm

I remember saying that I couldn't imagine McD passing on Booker. I also remember saying I couldn't imagine him slipping past Utah. Thx Utah!! :D

For the record, my guy that night was Portis, unless Turner was available (which I thought was more likely than Booker still being on the board). I also liked Looney, but the medical stuff scared everyone away.
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Post#1013 » by rsavaj » Sat Feb 13, 2016 4:45 pm

I like the idea of a 3 way trade with CLE/BOS where Love goes to Boston, our "win-now" ish pieces go to Cleveland, Boston's youth/picks come here
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Post#1014 » by BobbieL » Sat Feb 13, 2016 4:51 pm

Qwigglez wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
I agree. But the fans loves star players forming up to create the next big three. If the Cavs have a deal lined up to get Melo I'd think they'd rather have that though then two above average starters (borderline all-stars?) in Knight/Kieff.


I get the star power of Carmelo. And there is ZERO doubt he can score the ball. But is he REALLY want the Cavs need to beat the Warriors, Thunder or Spurs in the Finals. Or even Toronto or the Bulls. I know I am guided by the Suns - but Kieff and Knight in, Love and JR out - and I think the Cavs are better. Like I said, Tucker for Mozgov also frees up minues.

And yes, if the three team trade were
Love to the Celtics
Kieff and Knight to the Cavs
Mozgov and Lee to the Suns
I would have to thnk about that

If we got back that Nets pick, absolutely do this.
I was onboard to get Love, but I don't think he moves the needle for us to be contenders again. Bledsoe isn't the PG we need either, yeah him and Love could make the Suns somewhat relevant but I'd rather be a facilitator where we help get expirings and draft picks in a big trade this year. We are maybe two pieces away from being relevant but we need more development in our young guys before we are in contender status.


Yes, if the Brooklyn pick comes to Phoenix - for sure - do that deal.

I am guessing Love gets to the Celtics and Carmelo goes to the Cavs and the Suns will be shut out. But some of the Suns pieces seem like they would help the Cavs more (Tucker, Kieff, Chandler or Len) over Carmelo. But all the talk would be taking pieces from a 15 win team.

It is worth Ryans time next week - he is good buddy with Ainge too.

"Hey Danny, Ryan here. So want Love in Boston, we know David Lee is expiring - have I got a deal for you..."

I will say this - Love to Phoenix was always a long shot and more my rosterbating. Love to the Celtics with pieces to Cleveland and Lee/Mozgov - I would say that has a better chance of happening. Still not going to Vegas but facilitation as part of a three way. So either Keiff and Chandler or Knight to the Cavs; Lee and Mozgov to the Suns w/ the Brooklyn pick and Love to the Celtics
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Post#1015 » by NavLDO » Sat Feb 13, 2016 4:53 pm

gaspar wrote:
NavLDO wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:Because McD didn't actually have to make those picks, the decision was made for him by the teams drafting ahead.

But JJ13 said he was drunk, so logic ain't exactly enhanced.


And not evvvvvvverybody would've chosen Booker; RHJ, Oubre, Payne, and Dekker were all in play as Lotto picks and were 'mocked' as such within the final two weeks before the draft. It's not like Booker was mocked consistently in the top 8 before the draft and he 'slid' all the way down to 13.

And as I mentioned in a couple of posts last week, Len has played pretty well, when given minutes the past month and a half. Noel was NOT given the 'green light' by the med staff, so other than Gobert, Len has played about as well as can be expected.

If we drafted players the Suns fans liked the most in the last 2 drafts, right now we would have Motrezl Harrell (or Looney) and Adreian Payne instead of Booker and Warren.

Here's what 2 of the biggest McDonough's critics on this board had to say on the draft night:
Sunsdeuce wrote:So Suns get to draft a life long role player. You will fit right in with a team filled with role players, Booker.

This makes me sick. 6 years burning tires in the mudd.

saintEscaton wrote:Alright we should take Lyles. Booker will never be anything other than a spot up/off the ball perimeter shooter. Just cauz he's light skinned doesnt mean he's Klay Thompson 2.0 LOL

saintEscaton wrote:Booker can't create for himself off the dribble or get penetration, plays suspect defense and really the only argument for his upside is "well he was underutilized by Calipari and overshadowed in Kentucky and is still really young and a baby. Oh and he's bigger than Klay at 18."


You left out Frank; he's the #1 Anti-McD fan on this forum. But maybe he didn't have anything to say on draft night.

I just think there is WAY too much hate for a GM who's been a GM for all of 2.5 years. Yes, he's made mistakes, but at least he has been engaged and has tried to make deals he felt would be beneficial. This whole "McDoNothing" is ridiculous; he's been about as active a GM as there is in this league. And even if we go beyond the trade deadline without a deal (which I seriously doubt), I still wouldn't feel he is "McDoNothing"; it just means he didn't see a deal he liked. And why 'fight the tank' when all you have is a 'pee shooter'. We are not going to get better by season's end, and why would we want to?

And BTW, let's look at all these trades that have taken place over the past several weeks. I can't believe McD hasn't been involved in any of them!! What a slacker!


http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/transactions/league

I keep hearing "McD has put together the worst team in Suns history," but of course, with no mention of our top 3 PGs, and for the past couple of weeks, our 'best' SF in Warren, and our best PF in Leuer (other than Len) being out of the lineup. This is not the worst team in Suns history; we have a ton of potential with guys like Len, Warren, Booker, Goodwin, Bogdan, even Knight and potentially Leuer, at age 24 and 26 respectively. We also have Bledsoe, and while injury prone, when in the lineup, he's a top 10 PG, overall.

Now compare this roster with 3 years ago with Dudley, Scola, Dragic, Gortat, Beasley, Johnson, Shannon Brown, Frye, and J. O'Neal--amost ZERO potential guys...we had Morris, and that was it, and we all see how that turned out! We may end up with a worse record, but that happens when you have key players out of the line-up...or a felon.

But by all means, lets fire McD, and bring in a new 'punching bag', because as long as over-bearing, micromanaging, and 'sticking-his-nose-into-everything' Sarver is our owner, that's all a new GM will be--a scapegoat. I'll say it again, since coming on board, McD has done more good than harm, but apparently, that's not good enough for this crowd on RealGM. Let's go back to the days of selling picks for cash and trading picks away for scraps and rely only on FA to build the team. Yep, that tactic put together that awesome team of 2012-2013.

But I'm sure firing McD will fix all our woes, right??? Or heck, fix ANY of our woes... :nonono:
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Post#1016 » by bhawk » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:31 pm

NavLDO wrote:
gaspar wrote:
NavLDO wrote:
And not evvvvvvverybody would've chosen Booker; RHJ, Oubre, Payne, and Dekker were all in play as Lotto picks and were 'mocked' as such within the final two weeks before the draft. It's not like Booker was mocked consistently in the top 8 before the draft and he 'slid' all the way down to 13.

And as I mentioned in a couple of posts last week, Len has played pretty well, when given minutes the past month and a half. Noel was NOT given the 'green light' by the med staff, so other than Gobert, Len has played about as well as can be expected.

If we drafted players the Suns fans liked the most in the last 2 drafts, right now we would have Motrezl Harrell (or Looney) and Adreian Payne instead of Booker and Warren.

Here's what 2 of the biggest McDonough's critics on this board had to say on the draft night:
Sunsdeuce wrote:So Suns get to draft a life long role player. You will fit right in with a team filled with role players, Booker.

This makes me sick. 6 years burning tires in the mudd.

saintEscaton wrote:Alright we should take Lyles. Booker will never be anything other than a spot up/off the ball perimeter shooter. Just cauz he's light skinned doesnt mean he's Klay Thompson 2.0 LOL

saintEscaton wrote:Booker can't create for himself off the dribble or get penetration, plays suspect defense and really the only argument for his upside is "well he was underutilized by Calipari and overshadowed in Kentucky and is still really young and a baby. Oh and he's bigger than Klay at 18."


You left out Frank; he's the #1 Anti-McD fan on this forum. But maybe he didn't have anything to say on draft night.

I just think there is WAY too much hate for a GM who's been a GM for all of 2.5 years. Yes, he's made mistakes, but at least he has been engaged and has tried to make deals he felt would be beneficial. This whole "McDoNothing" is ridiculous; he's been about as active a GM as there is in this league. And even if we go beyond the trade deadline without a deal (which I seriously doubt), I still wouldn't feel he is "McDoNothing"; it just means he didn't see a deal he liked. And why 'fight the tank' when all you have is a 'pee shooter'. We are not going to get better by season's end, and why would we want to?

And BTW, let's look at all these trades that have taken place over the past several weeks. I can't believe McD hasn't been involved in any of them!! What a slacker!


http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/transactions/league

I keep hearing "McD has put together the worst team in Suns history," but of course, with no mention of our top 3 PGs, and for the past couple of weeks, our 'best' SF in Warren, and our best PF in Leuer (other than Len) being out of the lineup. This is not the worst team in Suns history; we have a ton of potential with guys like Len, Warren, Booker, Goodwin, Bogdan, even Knight and potentially Leuer, at age 24 and 26 respectively. We also have Bledsoe, and while injury prone, when in the lineup, he's a top 10 PG, overall.

Now compare this roster with 3 years ago with Dudley, Scola, Dragic, Gortat, Beasley, Johnson, Shannon Brown, Frye, and J. O'Neal--amost ZERO potential guys...we had Morris, and that was it, and we all see how that turned out! We may end up with a worse record, but that happens when you have key players out of the line-up...or a felon.

But by all means, lets fire McD, and bring in a new 'punching bag', because as long as over-bearing, micromanaging, and 'sticking-his-nose-into-everything' Sarver is our owner, that's all a new GM will be--a scapegoat. I'll say it again, since coming on board, McD has done more good than harm, but apparently, that's not good enough for this crowd on RealGM. Let's go back to the days of selling picks for cash and trading picks away for scraps and rely only on FA to build the team. Yep, that tactic put together that awesome team of 2012-2013.

But I'm sure firing McD will fix all our woes, right??? Or heck, fix ANY of our woes... :nonono:


AND 1 to both of these! I am a big fan of McD and believe that he has assembled a nice talented core of players. From a business perspective, McD is great at collecting player and draft "assets." Very happy with McD compared to the last regime.

The one knock is that McD does struggle with the personality and relationship side of the game. He treats the player like assets maybe overlooks intangibles like personality. I think McD can improve here and he is still young. It is one thing to collect valuable assets, it's another to get them to work well and fit together as a team. 2 examples are Bledsoe and Warren. Both guys have unquestioned talent, but there is something missing from each guy that I can't put my finger on... maybe leadership, passion, caring, team passion, work ethic, socialization and interpersonal skills?

I am probably asking for too much here, because talent + personality + social skills + passion + work ethic is like finding a unicorn... Booker may be our unicorn...

I do get that it is the coaches job to make talent work together, but sometimes talented players just don't work out. McD can help by getting better at evaluating the intangibles of a player and maybe stop being so cold in his approach to the business of players and talent.

Side note: Shawn Marion is an example of a talented player who was definitely missing something, but in his case talent and coaching did trump his shortcomings. The coach found a way to maximize his skills on the team.
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Post#1017 » by rsavaj » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:36 pm

BobbieL wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
I get the star power of Carmelo. And there is ZERO doubt he can score the ball. But is he REALLY want the Cavs need to beat the Warriors, Thunder or Spurs in the Finals. Or even Toronto or the Bulls. I know I am guided by the Suns - but Kieff and Knight in, Love and JR out - and I think the Cavs are better. Like I said, Tucker for Mozgov also frees up minues.

And yes, if the three team trade were
Love to the Celtics
Kieff and Knight to the Cavs
Mozgov and Lee to the Suns
I would have to thnk about that

If we got back that Nets pick, absolutely do this.
I was onboard to get Love, but I don't think he moves the needle for us to be contenders again. Bledsoe isn't the PG we need either, yeah him and Love could make the Suns somewhat relevant but I'd rather be a facilitator where we help get expirings and draft picks in a big trade this year. We are maybe two pieces away from being relevant but we need more development in our young guys before we are in contender status.


Yes, if the Brooklyn pick comes to Phoenix - for sure - do that deal.

I am guessing Love gets to the Celtics and Carmelo goes to the Cavs and the Suns will be shut out. But some of the Suns pieces seem like they would help the Cavs more (Tucker, Kieff, Chandler or Len) over Carmelo. But all the talk would be taking pieces from a 15 win team.

It is worth Ryans time next week - he is good buddy with Ainge too.

"Hey Danny, Ryan here. So want Love in Boston, we know David Lee is expiring - have I got a deal for you..."

I will say this - Love to Phoenix was always a long shot and more my rosterbating. Love to the Celtics with pieces to Cleveland and Lee/Mozgov - I would say that has a better chance of happening. Still not going to Vegas but facilitation as part of a three way. So either Keiff and Chandler or Knight to the Cavs; Lee and Mozgov to the Suns w/ the Brooklyn pick and Love to the Celtics


http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z6yevwf

CLE trades Love/Varejao for Knight/Kieff/Mirza/Tucker
BOS trades Lee/BKN 16 pick for Love
PHX trades Knight/Kieff/Mirza/Tucker for Lee/Varejao/BKN 16 pick

Cleveland moves Love for pieces that fit their team better. Knight as the microwave guard off the bench, Kieff as the starting power forward, Mirza as the stretch 4 off the bench, and Tucker as the grit/grind/3-D guy every contender needs.

Boston gets their star.

We lose Knight, who is a good asset, and we take on Varejao who is absolutely dead money, but we get a top 4 pick back.
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Re: The Trade Thread (Booker is UNTOUCHABLE so dont even ask!) 

Post#1018 » by TOO » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:41 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:My goals for this trade deadline:

1. Trade Keef, Tucker, Mirza to highest bidder - preferably in a large deal.
2. Trade Knight for value. We have no need for him, since he evidently can't play point.
3. Grab a young 4. There are only three that are evident to my wandering eye - Sullinger, Saric, Lyles. Don't know how available Saric and Lyles are, but Sully should be attainable.

I'm hoping we do a blockbuster that accomplishes all three.

Sullinger is a turd. The other 2 are unlikely to be available.
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Re: The Trade Thread (Booker is UNTOUCHABLE so dont even ask!) 

Post#1019 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:56 pm

TOO wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:My goals for this trade deadline:

1. Trade Keef, Tucker, Mirza to highest bidder - preferably in a large deal.
2. Trade Knight for value. We have no need for him, since he evidently can't play point.
3. Grab a young 4. There are only three that are evident to my wandering eye - Sullinger, Saric, Lyles. Don't know how available Saric and Lyles are, but Sully should be attainable.

I'm hoping we do a blockbuster that accomplishes all three.

Sullinger is a turd. The other 2 are unlikely to be available.


TheOriginalOriginal! I remember you from phx-suns.net! (I am OE32)

Sullinger played well enough against us; otherwise, I concur in your analysis.

... Do you like Terrence Jones? I'm not a fan, myself. I don't see many options at the 4. Do you think we're stuck with Bledsoe/Knight? I can't imagine anyone trading for Bledsoe this summer... Who do you like in the draft?? Who would you target in a trade??
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Re: The Trade Thread (Booker is UNTOUCHABLE so dont even ask!) 

Post#1020 » by saintEscaton » Sat Feb 13, 2016 6:37 pm

I'm gladly eating crow about my assessment of Booker he wasn't asked to do much and wasn't afforded the opportunity to showcase his off the bounce skills, but I still stand by assertion that McD is a terrible GM. One pick doesn't change things, he has royally screwed the pooch in every other department.
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