College basketball and 2017 draft - One more poll after last game

[Marcus]

I want ball. Kid is going to make his entire team better like nash did.

Running the pick and roll is probably the most important skill for a lead guard in the NBA. Nash was a pick and roll maestro, Ball literally can't run a pick and roll at all right now. Lonzo is awesome in transition, but in the half court offense he has a looooong way to go. Here's a good video breakdown of his offensive game:

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And here's Josh Jackson's offense:

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and defense:

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what makes you say Lonzo can't run a PnR at all?

[DirtyDez]

UCLA simply doesn't need to PNR.

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[ATTL]

So, with our improved play lately I was thinking about our pick being lower. I'm not sure if it's my subconscious talking myself in to liking them, but I wouldn't mind the"lower tier" prospects.

What is your current top 6 for us?
1. Fultz
2. JJ
3. Ball
4. Tatum
5. Smith
6. Jarrett Allen
If we drop to 6 I'd try to trade down for a couple late lotto picks if possible.

Of course, we may need to reshuffle our roster a bit depending on who we pick.

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[SC923]

So, with our improved play lately I was thinking about our pick being lower. I'm not sure if it's my subconscious talking myself in to liking them, but I wouldn't mind the"lower tier" prospects.

What is your current top 6 for us?
1. Fultz
2. JJ
3. Ball
4. Tatum
5. Smith
6. Jarrett Allen
If we drop to 6 I'd try to trade down for a couple late lotto picks if possible.

Of course, we may need to reshuffle our roster a bit depending on who we pick.

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Same for me except I would put Isaac instead of Allen

[LukasBMW]

Thoughts on Justin Patton???

[gaspar]

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[gaspar]

http://www.deepishthoughts.com/kaisers-draft-notes-josh-jackson/

[Bogyo]

First real look at Robert Williams, not bad at all, he could rise around top 5ish. Also, Fox can't shoot to save his life... He will sink on draftday.

[DirtyDez]

If we're at 4 and Monk is there, and Philly is at 6-7 I'm trading back for their pick and the Lakers pick next year. He'd be a nice fit with Simmons.

[ATTL]

Robert Williams isn't showing much of an offensive game, all I've seen is lobs for dunks. Not that that's bad, but part of why Chriss rose so much last year was he could shoot as a big.

[Bogyo]

If we're at 4 and Monk is there, and Philly is at 6-7 I'm trading back for their pick and the Lakers pick next year. He'd be a nice fit with Simmons.

Not a bad idea at all!!! Make the draft pick the better of Lakers/Philly in 2018 and I'm good.

[darealjuice]

Lonzo will be 26 before he has a real chance to leave the team that drafts him. By that time, I guarantee you, Lonzo will be calling his own shots. Besides, dear old dad has two other boys to worry about too.

Being afraid of dad is a bad reason not to draft a player. Lonzo is the second best player in this draft. He might be the most impactful player in the draft. Take the BPA and don't look back.

Bad family influence can be really bothering. Ask Chichago fans about Rose's family... I also happen to think that Jacksoin is better prospect than Ball.

I just don't understand this thinking. Everyone is downgrading Ball, not because of things he's failed at but because of things they haven't seen. It's not like they've seen him blow it in the mid-range game nor is it like they've seen him get his outside shot blocked nor has he failed to control the game when forced into half-court mode. It's all guesses that he can't because he is dominating without doing those things but why aren't people doing the same thing to Jackson? He's playing a position and a style he'll never play in the NBA but everyone just assumes he'll be as effective playing against quicker, more skilled players instead of the 4's he gets to take advantage of now.

I really believe that a few years from now every team that passes on Ball will have a lot of explaining to do and it will only get worse when he starts racking up the MVP's.

Lol what? He's not exclusively playing the 4 for Kansas, and he even started out at the 3 this year before Azubuike got hurt and they needed him to play 4. Not to mention Kansas plays 4 out with him on the perimeter, switches almost everything on defense, and gets out in transition this year, and that's exactly what the NBA is doing. He's the easily most athletic player in the draft class too lol it's not like he's going to be slow and short when he gets to the NBA.

Talking about "racking up the MVPs" when Ball's not even the best prospect in this draft lol...

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I expect McD will take a center if there's one with a ceiling high enough to justify it. The starting C is the only thing missing from our rotation ATM.

Sorry Alex. Your time is effectively up. Thanks for being a professional; we wish you the best of luck with your career and in life. I had fun rooting for you.

[kennydorglas]

Robert Williams isn't showing much of an offensive game, all I've seen is lobs for dunks. Not that that's bad, but part of why Chriss rose so much last year was he could shoot as a big.

I think he's playing out of position, sometimes even as a 3 when they get a super big lineup.
Very weird, but he's a top defensive player for sure.

Not a great class for bigs tho, but I guess he's the best one available.

[darealjuice]

Jonathan Isaac has been silent today; he's been in foul trouble a lot and has only taken one shot.

I'm starting to think more and more that he's going to have to play PF in the NBA even though some people project him at SF because of his shooting. He has decent handles, but he can't even beat college PFs off the dribble right now and I'd be really surprised if he were suddenly able to beat NBA SFs.

[Zelaznyrules]

Robert Williams isn't showing much of an offensive game, all I've seen is lobs for dunks. Not that that's bad, but part of why Chriss rose so much last year was he could shoot as a big.

I think he's playing out of position, sometimes even as a 3 when they get a super big lineup.
Very weird, but he's a top defensive player for sure.

Not a great class for bigs tho, but I guess he's the best one available.

It's maybe not a great class for traditional centers but I love the big guys in this class.

[kennydorglas]

Robert Williams isn't showing much of an offensive game, all I've seen is lobs for dunks. Not that that's bad, but part of why Chriss rose so much last year was he could shoot as a big.

I think he's playing out of position, sometimes even as a 3 when they get a super big lineup.
Very weird, but he's a top defensive player for sure.

Not a great class for bigs tho, but I guess he's the best one available.

It's maybe not a great class for traditional centers but I love the big guys in this class.

I like Markkanen as a non-traditional big and maybe Miles Bridges as a small 4... and that's it.

[Frank Lee]

8 1/2 games.......

The over / under before the draft feverish ones start talking about Markkonen(?)

True to form, this team will play its way to the statistical 5th pick

[Mulhollanddrive]

Ntilikina is making a move, had 3 of his best games in a row and now starting.

He's the McDonough type.

[darealjuice]

Good game from Jackson today. 17/9/5/1/1 with 2 turnovers on 8/11 FG% and 1/2 3PT%, first win Kansas has had in Stillwater in 3 years.