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Post#1001 » by mademan » Wed Aug 2, 2017 1:19 pm

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I agree. I think that video shows me that he is indeed a bad defender as all of you have been saying. Not only does he stick to screens and seem confused. When curry goes at him straight up he beats him every time (despite clanking his layups). Kyrie's feet look slow motion on d, in this video.



As someone that has watched most of his games ever i think hes one of the lowest IQ and effort defenders i have seen. Certainly down the very bottom in the league currently.



Yeah and before Kyrie requested to be traded you said his defense was vastly underrated.
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Effort, athleticism and defensive fundamentals aside, kyries bball iq on the defensive end is incredibly lacking. A guy like curry can be hidden because he has good defensive iq; he rotates well, knows the scouting report, doesn't often leave his feet.

The amount of times, in the last 2 finals, and the 6 regular season games I've seen him leave a guy like klay to rotate over to a non shooter like green has been ridiculous.
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Re: Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion #5: A Serving of Irving? 

Post#1002 » by Dupp » Wed Aug 2, 2017 1:21 pm

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I agree. I think that video shows me that he is indeed a bad defender as all of you have been saying. Not only does he stick to screens and seem confused. When curry goes at him straight up he beats him every time (despite clanking his layups). Kyrie's feet look slow motion on d, in this video.



As someone that has watched most of his games ever i think hes one of the lowest IQ and effort defenders i have seen. Certainly down the very bottom in the league currently.

You guys still won a title with him



Of course. He was the second best player on a title team, he was fantastic. He played ok defense that series but still had uncountable number of defensive lapses and was pretty bad defensively that whole playoff run.

You can live with bad/terrible defense, particularly at the point guard but last season we had 2 maybe 3 capable defenders on our whole squad. Something needed/needs to change.

If his knee wasnt bothering him and he actually had a jump shot last playoffs ( finals) i actually think we could of made it a series. He just couldnt hit any jumpers he usually does even when he had 40. Hes definitely a big game player but very poor defensivley.
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Re: Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion #5: A Serving of Irving? 

Post#1003 » by NavLDO » Wed Aug 2, 2017 1:40 pm

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You do realize that 24 is 5 years older than 19, 4 older than 20. ]-- Ummm, Bender, our ONLY 19YO right now, turns 20, about 20 days into the season, but you go on ahead and keep acting like out 'core' is one player who averaged 13.3 MPG in 43 games last season...oh, and look, I can use emoticons too... :crazy: [/b]

27 is 7 years older than 20. ]-- But it's not older than 27, you know, of one of our Core, which is Bledsoe's age (as of this post). But you go on ahead and act like he's not part of our core (until he get's traded for Kyrie :D ) And when that happens, Kyrie will ALSO be part of our Core, believe it or not, and he's 25.[/b]


Booker also isn't 21. I guess you weren't able to figure out that I projected ages DURING next season, when it matters, as opposed to now, when, well, it doesn't??? And yes, I did that for every team's player throughout my post, which is why I said 'is turning' or 'will be' if they were born between now and Dec of the year they were born. Booker turns 21 4 days into the season, but you hold onto that "but he's only 20" bit... :nonono:

Also, I wasn't talking about only 3 players, but the general roster. We had the youngest roster per minute played in the league to end the season. ]-- Oh, OK, so where's this list? I want to see where our team was 5-7 years younger than the rest of the league...[/b]

Regardless, so...NO is 4 and 7 years older with their top players relative to ours. ]-- Wait, I'm confused. You just said in the last sentence that it's not about the 'core' or just 3 players, but about the whole team, and in your next breath, you say NO is 4 and 7 years older with their top players than ours...so which is it?? And again, why do you dismiss Bledsoe? Do you not think he is one of the top players, if not THE top player on our team RIGHT now? Well, he's going to be 28 in December; Kyrie is 25, if we get him. So that leaves AD, who just turned 24, and Booker who will be 21 when they play each other.[/b]

Hield also plays for the Kings by the way. -- Yes, I forgot about that trade, and was looking at last year's roster. So now, Jrue is in their top 3, and he's 27

Jazz are 5-7 years older than most of our core. ]-- I'm confused again, you said it was about the whole team, not core? But let's go with your 'core' argument, or better yet, let's go starting 4, (let's cancel out Ingles for Chandler). They have Gobert (25), Favors (26), Rubio (27), Hood (25)--We have Bledsoe (28), Booker (21), Warren (24), Chriss (20) do the math, and we are down 9 years spread across four players, which is 2 1/4 years...hardly 5-7. I know you'd LOVE to, and obviously have been, discounting Bledsoe, but youcannot do that...that is disingenuous to the argument.([/b]

Denver...Murray doesn't even start -- Ahhh...I was waiting for a statement like this from you to completely invalidate you're whole argument. See, now, you are going by starters, and by starters, we only have two 'young' ones--Chriss and Booker. And guess what. If all the RUMINT is true, and we get Kyrie and Chriss goes away, then Jackson starts, and he's OLDER than Chriss by 5 months.

and most of their guys are older than that, though overall they are young. Still, seems to be absolutely random as to how you are determining the 3 players here. -- I was picking the 3 likely 'best' players on the team per the fans, but we can swap Murray for the soon-to-be 23YO Harris, that's fine.

Portland...You included Vonleh who barely plays ahead of McCollum, who is 25, which is, once again, 5 years older than Booker. -- And once again, you are wrong...Booker will be 21 at the start of the season, so 4 years...and now look at this... http://bkref.com/tiny/hl2SG ...notice anything there? Like McCollum has 2200 more total minutes than Booker? That's less than a season for Booker. Plus. McCollum has played 4 seasons to Bookers 2, so that's TWO years EFFECTIVE difference, as oppsed to FOUR years WHO CARES BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER, DIFFERENCE.


Lillard is 27, which would make him damn near a decade older than Jackson, Bender, Booker, Ulis, DJJ, Chriss.-- You are hilarious?? 7 years is now 'damn near a decade' ?? OK, let me ask you this? Which one of them is our starting PG?? Oops!! I guess you forgot we have this guy on our roster named Bledsoe? Wow...you are attempting to try everything in the book to make your point, and it has more holes in it than Swiss cheese!!

Memphis--Marc Freaking Gasol, Mike Conley, and whoever the hell you want. Hell, count a random fan from the stands. That team is killing us. It is exactly my point. Age matters. Even those guys exiting their primes are still performing at a very high level. Gasol alone is better than any player on our team. Expecting us to outperform them is absolute nonsense, and the vegas numbers will bear that out even after we get Kyrie.

All of that to say, more than any of this, you think the Suns are somehow in the thick of the playoff hunt NOW? :o :o :o What team have you been watching for the past 3 years? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Last year, I watched a team with a clear tanking agenda towards the end. A team that was forced to start a 19YO Rookie PF; and a team that suffered from losing a player on a hot streak (Warren), that took until the last couple of weeks of the season for him to find his groove again.

I'm saying that the Suns have as good a chance with Kyrie, a 3rd-year-Booker, a Josh Jackson that looks NBA-ready through Summer League, a healthy Warren, and a newly discovered talent in Alan Williams, that will surely earn more minutes than last year, but will still have a pretty darn good Chandler.

And Gasol vs Chandler is not as open shut as you may think, nor Conley vs Bledsoe/Kyrie

http://bkref.com/tiny/fJTp1

So, the original poster's point was basically, their are at least 2 playoff slort up for grab, and we are not as far behind as 'Vegas', or anyone else would have you believe, and as I've shown, we certainly are not 5-7 years behind in age to other teams, nomater which way you try to spin it. If nothing happens, we have starting (and yes, these are ages for the propensity of the season, not right now, which makes more sense, don't you think??):

Bledoe - 28
Booker - 21
Warren - 24
Chriss - 20
Chandler - 35

And THEN...we have other players that will play some...

Bender - 20
Jones Jr. - 20
Jackson - 20
Ulis - 21
Reed - 22
Peters -22
??Len?? - 24
Sauce - 24
Dudley - 32

We have some young players; no one is denying that, but since we brought them IN young, doesn't mean that they are inexperienced. You are confusing Age w/ Experience.


Experience is a horrible way to judge NBA guys. -- Really? So a 22YO Player like Davon Reed is more ready and a better player than a 21YO Ulis? OK, if you say so...


It's as if a rookie from Europe is inexperienced because they were playing in Europe for years or a 4 year college vet is inexperienced despite playing 4 years of college hoops. I am not confusing age with experience. Both matter, but experienced young players still bomb in this league. Age is more the key than experience. It is statistically proven. Also, the age of the entire roster matters--not just the random 3 players that you seem to feel matters on each team, which happens to include some players who aren't even on said team and has role players galore included.

Also, I'll just ignore your prior rant of having ONLY one 19 year old while having 4 20 year olds (again, Booker is 20, not 21).

Bledsoe won't be on the team if the trade happens, so no idea why you are including him, -- and I have no idea why you continue to assume we are trading Bledsoe for 'air'...we get Kyrie back in that deal, you know, which will change the odds makers in Vegas, BTW.

just like I have no idea how you are determining those awful groups of 3 from the prior message, many of whom ignore all-star level players for younger role players.

Hell, that roster you showed for Phoenix above without Bled has a whopping TWO PLAYERS over 25. -- THREE PLAYERS, we also have Elijah Milsap, who I didn't list.

The rest of the contenders aren't that young. It is that simple. -- But we are not 5-7 years younger, as you hyperbolized in your original statement. It's that simple.


To expect contention is insane, and Vegas proves that as much as anybody, and they think we are the 2nd worst team in the NBA with Bled headed to the season. If you truly believe what you are saying, I assume you are dropping tons of money on Phx already. -- See, now you are just being silly. I do think we have the ABILITY to compete for that 8th spot, IF we trade for Kyrie.

Kyrie
Booker
Jackson
Warren
Chandler

That looks a lot better than you think, especially when you consider our bench of Bender, Ulis, Sauce, and Dudley.



Last year, you saw a team tank that was out of contention and already in the bottom 5 before tanking. Yes, Warren got hurt--every team has a player get hurt.

I will just leave the Marc Gasol v. Chandler (as if one isn't an All-Star who added a 3 point shot and the other isn't an overpaid wasting big who can no longer defend), to some emojis. -- I like how you compare the two based upon ONE aspect of their game; must be how you get the whole "Bledsoe-for-Air" trade...
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Re: Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion #5: A Serving of Irving? 

Post#1004 » by bigfoot » Wed Aug 2, 2017 1:55 pm

I just have a problem having Irving for two years versus Bledsoe for 2, Jackson for 8-9, and a high 1st round pick for 8-9. Really we saw Dwight screw over the Lakers and we've tasted this **** before with McDyess. Bledose and Miami 2018 1st and maybe, maybe a second round pick. Otherwise stand pat.
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Post#1005 » by BobbieL » Wed Aug 2, 2017 2:11 pm

I just hope its not Jackson. You want Jackson with Booker and Kyrie. You almost NEED Jackson with Booker and Kyrie - he is the type of third player you need: ball facilitator, defender , run the floor - his strengths would be perfect for the other two strengths

Maybes its being held up by Osman or something like that

I haven't heard Woj say anything about Jackson - only Gambo

So I guess we wait another day and hope like hell Jackson is not in the trade

I think Bledsoe, Chriss/Warren, Dudley/Chandler, the Heat pick, the Suns second rounder and taking on Frye/RJ - should damn well be enough for Kyrie, Shumpert
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Post#1007 » by King4Day » Wed Aug 2, 2017 2:16 pm

BobbieL wrote:I just hope its not Jackson. You want Jackson with Booker and Kyrie. You almost NEED Jackson with Booker and Kyrie - he is the type of third player you need: ball facilitator, defender , run the floor - his strengths would be perfect for the other two strengths

Maybes its being held up by Osman or something like that

I haven't heard Woj say anything about Jackson - only Gambo

So I guess we wait another day and hope like hell Jackson is not in the trade

I think Bledsoe, Chriss/Warren, Dudley/Chandler, the Heat pick, the Suns second rounder and taking on Frye/RJ - should damn well be enough for Kyrie, Shumpert


Maybe Reed could be involved?
I don't think Osman will be part of the deal unless we give up more.
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Post#1008 » by Preacherpj » Wed Aug 2, 2017 2:24 pm

SlovenianDragon wrote:
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MrMiyagi wrote:Really? He looks like he gets killed on screens and doesn't communicate that he's not switching.


I agree. I think that video shows me that he is indeed a bad defender as all of you have been saying. Not only does he stick to screens and seem confused. When curry goes at him straight up he beats him every time (despite clanking his layups). Kyrie's feet look slow motion on d, in this video.


Not to mention hes doesn't box out or try to rebound.

Hes just waiting for the pass to bring the ball up the court.


hahhaha wut?? Nobody boxes out in the NBA, let alone PGs
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Post#1009 » by BobbieL » Wed Aug 2, 2017 2:27 pm

DarkHawk wrote:
BobbieL wrote:I just hope its not Jackson. You want Jackson with Booker and Kyrie. You almost NEED Jackson with Booker and Kyrie - he is the type of third player you need: ball facilitator, defender , run the floor - his strengths would be perfect for the other two strengths

Maybes its being held up by Osman or something like that

I haven't heard Woj say anything about Jackson - only Gambo

So I guess we wait another day and hope like hell Jackson is not in the trade

I think Bledsoe, Chriss/Warren, Dudley/Chandler, the Heat pick, the Suns second rounder and taking on Frye/RJ - should damn well be enough for Kyrie, Shumpert


Maybe Reed could be involved?
I don't think Osman will be part of the deal unless we give up more.


Reed seems promising to me but not holding up the deal for that. Granted, Reed, Warren/Chriss plus a Heat pick and Bledsoe. That seems like a bit too much

I just am not sure the Cavs have too many options though. The Knicks don't seem to be an option unless the Cavs want Frank N , Lance Thomas, or Courtney Lee and Kuzminkas, Kyle O'Quinn

Orlando could be a player with Payton, Gordon, Fornier
Milwaukee, Denver have been discussed.
Spurs don't have much

To me, it comes down to Cleveland keeping him or trading him to the Suns. And if they want to be competitive in 2018 - Bledsoe, TysonDudley and Chriss Warren seems to make them a favorite in the East; adding the Heat pick adds a young player plus cap relief.

If I am Ryan and Sarver - don't overpay or overplay it - you have a good fair deal.
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Post#1010 » by Preacherpj » Wed Aug 2, 2017 2:31 pm

i505 wrote:http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/08/02/report-kyrie-irving-not-ready-to-commit-to-any-team-that-trades-for-him/

I still say 95% he bolts. Pass.


You could still re-trade Irving in a year if you don't think you can keep him.

That obviously wouldn't be ideal and you wouldn't recoup the full value of what you gave up, but it does help lessen the risk.
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Post#1011 » by matt131 » Wed Aug 2, 2017 2:35 pm

Preacherpj wrote:
i505 wrote:http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/08/02/report-kyrie-irving-not-ready-to-commit-to-any-team-that-trades-for-him/

I still say 95% he bolts. Pass.


You could still re-trade Irving in a year if you don't think you can keep him.

That obviously wouldn't be ideal and you wouldn't recoup the full value of what you gave up, but it does help lessen the risk.


The article won't load on my work computer lol. Does it give a direct quote from Kyrie, or is it just a reporter saying they "have a feeling" or whatever?
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Post#1012 » by RaisingArizona » Wed Aug 2, 2017 2:37 pm

Bledsoe could bolt in 2 years as well.
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Post#1013 » by gaspar » Wed Aug 2, 2017 2:40 pm

matt131 wrote:
Preacherpj wrote:
i505 wrote:http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/08/02/report-kyrie-irving-not-ready-to-commit-to-any-team-that-trades-for-him/

I still say 95% he bolts. Pass.


You could still re-trade Irving in a year if you don't think you can keep him.

That obviously wouldn't be ideal and you wouldn't recoup the full value of what you gave up, but it does help lessen the risk.


The article won't load on my work computer lol. Does it give a direct quote from Kyrie, or is it just a reporter saying they "have a feeling" or whatever?

Here's the source: http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2017/08/cleveland_cavaliers_scribbles_64.html

I heard Phoenix would be very interested in dealing for Irving. But the Suns would want to know if Irving will sign an extension to stay in Phoenix. His contract is up in the summer of 2018. I'm told Irving is not about to commit to any team at this point. He has two seasons left on his contract and wants to keep his options open.
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Post#1014 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Wed Aug 2, 2017 2:43 pm

Preacherpj wrote:
i505 wrote:http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/08/02/report-kyrie-irving-not-ready-to-commit-to-any-team-that-trades-for-him/

I still say 95% he bolts. Pass.


You could still re-trade Irving in a year if you don't think you can keep him.

That obviously wouldn't be ideal and you wouldn't recoup the full value of what you gave up, but it does help lessen the risk.


Interesting. Cavs can't trade him now for anything better than what we expect to offer, so the backup plan is to take a loss in year? [Edited]

I don't want to be high bidder. If we're the high bidder, we're bidding too high. We simply are not the best destination for Kyrie. I think he makes more sense with the Clippers as lead guard next to Blake. I think he's a better fit in Utah next to Gobert. A better fit in NYK next to Porzingis in a destination city out east (better able to add FAs). Denver next to Jokic... arguably, if they can keep Harris. Maybe even Miami, since they've committed to not rebuilding. Probably Milwaukee too, next to a "secondary" superstar in Giannis (not a primary, on-ball scorer). Orlando, given that they have almost no offensive talent. San Antonio, too.

Seriously, why would we be high bidder here? There is only one reason. We have the best assets available for trade, other than Boston. To me, that's a terrible reason.

I still say no to all of this.
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Post#1015 » by starbosa10 » Wed Aug 2, 2017 2:45 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:
Preacherpj wrote:
i505 wrote:http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/08/02/report-kyrie-irving-not-ready-to-commit-to-any-team-that-trades-for-him/

I still say 95% he bolts. Pass.


You could still re-trade Irving in a year if you don't think you can keep him.

That obviously wouldn't be ideal and you wouldn't recoup the full value of what you gave up, but it does help lessen the risk.


Interesting. Cavs can't trade him now for anything better than what we expect to offer, but you think that in a year, we'll get an equal or better offer?

I don't want to be high bidder. If we're the high bidder, we're bidding too high. We simply are not the best destination for Kyrie. I think he makes more sense with the Clippers as lead guard next to Blake. I think he's a better fit in Utah next to Gobert. A better fit in NYK next to Porzingis in a destination city out east (better able to add FAs). Denver next to Jokic... arguably, if they can keep Harris. Maybe even Miami, since they've committed to not rebuilding. Probably Milwaukee too, next to a "secondary" superstar in Giannis (not a primary, on-ball scorer). Orlando, given that they have almost no offensive talent. San Antonio, too.

Seriously, why would we be high bidder here? There is only one reason. We have the best assets available for trade, other than Boston. To me, that's a terrible reason.

I still say no to all of this.

no he doesn't, in his post he specially says you won't be able to recoup the full value you gave up
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Post#1016 » by BobbieL » Wed Aug 2, 2017 2:50 pm

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matt131 wrote:
Preacherpj wrote:
You could still re-trade Irving in a year if you don't think you can keep him.

That obviously wouldn't be ideal and you wouldn't recoup the full value of what you gave up, but it does help lessen the risk.


The article won't load on my work computer lol. Does it give a direct quote from Kyrie, or is it just a reporter saying they "have a feeling" or whatever?

Here's the source: http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2017/08/cleveland_cavaliers_scribbles_64.html

I heard Phoenix would be very interested in dealing for Irving. But the Suns would want to know if Irving will sign an extension to stay in Phoenix. His contract is up in the summer of 2018. I'm told Irving is not about to commit to any team at this point. He has two seasons left on his contract and wants to keep his options open.


If the concern he could leave in two years - which is viable - make it a three team deal with the Knicks. But the Knicks have to come up with the draft picks - like 2018 unprotected and a 2020

Knicks: Kyrie -- seems he would love MSG plus Millsap and Derric Jones

Cavs: Bledsoe Dudley or chandler, cap filler like Randle Hermangomez from the Knicks plus Knicks picks

Suns: Frank N, Lance Thomas,expirings in Frye Jefferson and Kuzminkas

So for the Suns its trading Bledsoe for Frank N and Lance Thomas

For the Cavs: Irving for Bledsoe, a veteran in Dudley and picks from the Knicks - and cap space as the Suns are taking on Frye and RJ
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Post#1017 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Wed Aug 2, 2017 2:57 pm

starbosa10 wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:
Preacherpj wrote:
You could still re-trade Irving in a year if you don't think you can keep him.

That obviously wouldn't be ideal and you wouldn't recoup the full value of what you gave up, but it does help lessen the risk.


Interesting. Cavs can't trade him now for anything better than what we expect to offer, but you think that in a year, we'll get an equal or better offer?

I don't want to be high bidder. If we're the high bidder, we're bidding too high. We simply are not the best destination for Kyrie. I think he makes more sense with the Clippers as lead guard next to Blake. I think he's a better fit in Utah next to Gobert. A better fit in NYK next to Porzingis in a destination city out east (better able to add FAs). Denver next to Jokic... arguably, if they can keep Harris. Maybe even Miami, since they've committed to not rebuilding. Probably Milwaukee too, next to a "secondary" superstar in Giannis (not a primary, on-ball scorer). Orlando, given that they have almost no offensive talent. San Antonio, too.

Seriously, why would we be high bidder here? There is only one reason. We have the best assets available for trade, other than Boston. To me, that's a terrible reason.

I still say no to all of this.

no he doesn't, in his post he specially says you won't be able to recoup the full value you gave up


Ah, thanks. Glad to know we're all on the same page. Except when it comes to winning championships. It sure looks like there's a divide in the fan base - those of us who lived through the "malaise" and those of us who did not. I don't want to make the playoffs or the second round or sell a bunch of jerseys. I want to win a championship. That doesn't seem to be the discussion we're having.
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Re: Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion #5: A Serving of Irving? 

Post#1018 » by matt131 » Wed Aug 2, 2017 2:57 pm

gaspar wrote:
matt131 wrote:
Preacherpj wrote:
You could still re-trade Irving in a year if you don't think you can keep him.

That obviously wouldn't be ideal and you wouldn't recoup the full value of what you gave up, but it does help lessen the risk.


The article won't load on my work computer lol. Does it give a direct quote from Kyrie, or is it just a reporter saying they "have a feeling" or whatever?

Here's the source: http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2017/08/cleveland_cavaliers_scribbles_64.html

I heard Phoenix would be very interested in dealing for Irving. But the Suns would want to know if Irving will sign an extension to stay in Phoenix. His contract is up in the summer of 2018. I'm told Irving is not about to commit to any team at this point. He has two seasons left on his contract and wants to keep his options open.


Thanks. I think it is only appropriate for him to say that he will keep his options open. Is it a gamble to trade for him? Yeah, most definitely. But at least we would have a period of 2 years to try and convince him that PHX is the place for him. Some free agents of his level (yes, his 'level' is debatable...I understand) might not even give us a look.

Bledsoe WILL demand the max in two years. There is NO debating that Rich Paul will want the max. That is a foregone conclusion. If Bledsoe doesn't quite fit our timeline, I assume we would trade him before resigning him anyway. Kyrie might leave, and so might any of our players to be honest, but getting a chance to prove to Kyrie that he belongs here might be worth it.

That being said, I think we all do not want to overpay for this hypothetical trade. Giving up Warrent or Chriss for a rental seems risky. But sometimes you have to gamble...
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Re: Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion #5: A Serving of Irving? 

Post#1019 » by JJ13 » Wed Aug 2, 2017 2:58 pm

Kyrie not committing helps us. Weakens his "list" of teams offer as they won't be willing to give up more to get Kyrie without commitment. If he committed to resign with Suns, we'd likely be more willing to include more assets. Keeps us in drivers seat on a low ball offer
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Re: Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion #5: A Serving of Irving? 

Post#1020 » by King4Day » Wed Aug 2, 2017 2:59 pm

4. I heard Phoenix would be very interested in dealing for Irving. But the Suns would want to know if Irving will sign an extension to stay in Phoenix. His contract is up in the summer of 2018. I'm told Irving is not about to commit to any team at this point. He has two seasons left on his contract and wants to keep his options open.

5. The Suns would be willing to trade Eric Bledsoe as part of a deal for Irving, even if Irving makes no commitment. But they would not want to include rookie Josh Jackson in that deal, assuming Irving keeps his options open. The Cavs would love shooting guard Devin Booker, but he is as close to untouchable as anyone on the Suns roster.


http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2017/08/cleveland_cavaliers_scribbles_64.html

This scares me.
Almost sounds like we might be willing to deal Jackson if we get a commitment from Irving.
It sounds like Irving won't commit to an extension with any team dealing for him and I pray that remains the case. I don't want to deal Jackson and feel like we're going to budge if that's the case.

EDIT: Didn't realize the link was posted already.
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