Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2

[lilfishi22]

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That's all well and good but how does that exactly get Bledsoe to Cleveland? Cleveland doesn't seem to have much appetite to move the Brooklyn pick and we don't have any interest in any asset outside of the Brooklyn pick from Cleveland. What these dudes are saying is hardly a stretch. We already knew Rich Paul was giving advice to his client and Lebron is in Rich's ears....

[bwgood77]

I get it, but if that pick looks like #8, it will be a tough sell to CLE, don't you think?

I guess it depends on how much those contracts have left on them. It depends for me on whether or not it had protection. If it's unprotected, then I'd want Zizic, not because I think they will be 5 worst, but they could luck out and end up top 3. They would want protection, so we say "well if you want that, then we also want Zizic".

Ultimately I'd probably still pull the trigger but they are going to want to protect it without a doubt.

I wouldn't take the deal if there was more than top 3 protection on it, I don't think. Maybe top 5. The Shumpert contract limits how much protection I am willing to take. To your point if they stick on protection, I ask for Zicic, and probably come out further ahead anyway.

Top 3 is the killer though, because I don't think they likely finish bottom 5 without more injuries. So they could finish like 7th or 8th worst but then luck out and only top 3 is drawn. But I guess there is a small chance they end up 4th or 5th worst, but still could move down a spot in the lottery.

[jcsunsfan]

I guess it depends on how much those contracts have left on them. It depends for me on whether or not it had protection. If it's unprotected, then I'd want Zizic, not because I think they will be 5 worst, but they could luck out and end up top 3. They would want protection, so we say "well if you want that, then we also want Zizic".

Ultimately I'd probably still pull the trigger but they are going to want to protect it without a doubt.

I wouldn't take the deal if there was more than top 3 protection on it, I don't think. Maybe top 5. The Shumpert contract limits how much protection I am willing to take. To your point if they stick on protection, I ask for Zicic, and probably come out further ahead anyway.

Top 3 is the killer though, because I don't think they likely finish bottom 5 without more injuries. So they could finish like 7th or 8th worst but then luck out and only top 3 is drawn. But I guess there is a small chance they end up 4th or 5th worst, but still could move down a spot in the lottery.

Can a team add protection to a another team's pick that they own? I do not ever remember it being done. I thought if the Nets pick is unprotected, it remains unprotected. We could not have added protection to the LA pick when we sent it away, could we?

[Kerrsed]

Can a team add protection to a another team's pick that they own? I do not ever remember it being done. I thought if the Nets pick is unprotected, it remains unprotected. We could not have added protection to the LA pick when we sent it away, could we?

Yes they can.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I wouldn't take the deal if there was more than top 3 protection on it, I don't think. Maybe top 5. The Shumpert contract limits how much protection I am willing to take. To your point if they stick on protection, I ask for Zicic, and probably come out further ahead anyway.

Top 3 is the killer though, because I don't think they likely finish bottom 5 without more injuries. So they could finish like 7th or 8th worst but then luck out and only top 3 is drawn. But I guess there is a small chance they end up 4th or 5th worst, but still could move down a spot in the lottery.

Can a team add protection to a another team's pick that they own? I do not ever remember it being done. I thought if the Nets pick is unprotected, it remains unprotected. We could not have added protection to the LA pick when we sent it away, could we?

They can add protection to the pick, phily did it when they traded for the first pick. What gets tricky is what the suns would get if the pick didn't convey because the cavs picks the next few years will suck.

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[jcsunsfan]

Someone on the T&T board in the Bledsoe to Philly thread suggested a Bledsoe for Fultz swap. Hmmm. Have to think about it a lot, but maybe?

[bwgood77]

I wouldn't take the deal if there was more than top 3 protection on it, I don't think. Maybe top 5. The Shumpert contract limits how much protection I am willing to take. To your point if they stick on protection, I ask for Zicic, and probably come out further ahead anyway.

Top 3 is the killer though, because I don't think they likely finish bottom 5 without more injuries. So they could finish like 7th or 8th worst but then luck out and only top 3 is drawn. But I guess there is a small chance they end up 4th or 5th worst, but still could move down a spot in the lottery.

Can a team add protection to a another team's pick that they own? I do not ever remember it being done. I thought if the Nets pick is unprotected, it remains unprotected. We could not have added protection to the LA pick when we sent it away, could we?

Definitely. That Lakers pick we used to own? Philly traded it to Boston protecting it for #1 and 6-30. Boston only gets it if it is 2-5, otherwise they get Sacramento's #1 pick the following year.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Cleveland know from the Irving discussions they can have anything outside of Booker, Jackson, Phoenix 2018 1st. Hope they're asking.

[LukasBMW]

If Borgdon can play D, is a knockdown shooter, and is a good teamate/hardworker, he'd be perfect.

I honestly see our offense running through Josh Jackson and Bender in the future and thus having Booker and Brogdon coming of screens would be awesome.

Brogdon/Ulis
Booker/
Jackson/TJ
Chriss/Bender
2018 draft pick/Len/Sauce

That's the youth movement! What's not to love?

Tyson and Dudley coach from the bench as they finish their golden parachute contacts.

[LukasBMW]

I totally think Lebron and Bledsoe + D-bag Rich Paul are trying to push for a Cavs trade.

We want that Brooklyn pick and Lebron knows it.

They need Bledsoe to contend. They keep IT as a backup and 6th man.

Either shumpert or JR would have to come back to us.

They could also try to swap Frye for Tyson but I think Frye gives them a better shot at matching up with the Warriors since they already have TT.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Can Brogdan make All Defensive team? If he can I'd do a straight swap.

There was some research on championship teams that suggested All Defense was equal to All Star in that you could have either to meet the number required to contend.

[bwgood77]

Can Brogdan make All Defensive team? If he can I'd do a straight swap.

There was some research on championship teams that suggested All Defense was equal to All Star in that you could have either to meet the number required to contend.

It's not that easy to make All Defensive team, but that doesn't mean you can't be a great defender. I don't think he's a great defender, but he's probably better than Bledsoe.

I mean you can see their Drtg here http://bkref.com/tiny/NzloT

I already pointed out his much better shooting percentages...though I guess that was to Booker, so it's probably better against Bledsoe. He almost has a 3-1 ast/to ratio too...I think that's far better than Bledsoe has...

So, checked it...yes, Bledsoe is not even 2-1. As far as ORTG and DRTG go, they are nearly equal...same on offense, Brogdon a tad better on D. http://bkref.com/tiny/AUolr

[jredsaz]

I have seen MKGs name floated by Matt Moore and others. Total hypothetical.

MKG for Bledsoe. Who needs to add value?

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[lilfishi22]

I totally think Lebron and Bledsoe + D-bag Rich Paul are trying to push for a Cavs trade.

We want that Brooklyn pick and Lebron knows it.

They need Bledsoe to contend. They keep IT as a backup and 6th man.

Either shumpert or JR would have to come back to us.

They could also try to swap Frye for Tyson but I think Frye gives them a better shot at matching up with the Warriors since they already have TT.

I can buy that narrative but what I don't understand is how they will manage to do it. The parties in charge have no interest in playing ball with Rich Paul. Cavs aren't going to give up the Nets pick (their future) to appease Lebron for a season. We aren't going to listen to Rich Paul because he can't control where his client gets traded to.

What's ironic is that IT played behind Bledsoe and then became 'the man' in Boston then he was traded to Cleveland probably with the mindset that he would be starting. If Bledsoe was traded to the Cavs, IT would be back to where he was 3 seasons ago lol

[TOO]

I have seen MKGs name floated by Matt Moore and others. Total hypothetical.

MKG for Bledsoe. Who needs to add value?

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He'd be redundant with both Jackson and TJ.. Odd trade IMO

[jredsaz]

I have seen MKGs name floated by Matt Moore and others. Total hypothetical.

MKG for Bledsoe. Who needs to add value?

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He'd be redundant with both Jackson and TJ.. Odd trade IMO

I would think he would play more as a small ball center or four man next to a stretchy 5 like Bender.

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[LukasBMW]

MKG is trash. I don't want him.

[charley barkles]

What do you guys think is a good player comp for Brogdon?

I, admittedly, haven't watched him much. But based on what I've seen and read, Chauncey Billups comes to mind. (Obviously CB accomplished a ton more, but I'm talking about style of play).

[sunsbg]

I would trade Bledsoe to the Cavs for the right to swap our and BKN pick in case no good young player/pick is on the table. I'm worried for a fluke season now that the team is playing better without Bledsoe. I want that top 5 pick in next year's draft.

[asudevil]

Suns trade: Bledsoe
Suns get: Brogdon/Tele/BK First

Bucks trade: Brogdon/Tele
Bucks get: IT/Frye

Cavs trade: IT/Frye/BK First
Cavs get: Bledsoe

I think Brogdon would be a good fit here. He does a little of everything, and will improve. We eat the rest of Tele's contract, and take a gamble on the BK pick. It could fall anywhere between mid lotto and mid first.

Bucks add firepower at the PG slot. Letting Giannis be he facilitator would allow IT to go off on offense. They swap out one of their not so great contracts for Frye's expiring, and dont have to give up a pick

Bledsoe goes to a contender. Seems he wanted to go here anyways, and this might keep Lebron happy enough to stay.