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bigfoot wrote:Old injury-prone max contract for old injury-prone max contract should be a fair straight up swap. Beal a bit younger than Butler too. Beal playing for the Suns right now. Butler suspended and doesn't want to play or resign with the Heat. Get Miami to include a second.
Slim Charless wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Slim Charless wrote:
You're lashing out. That's why you are bringing up an off hand comment I made one-time pre Covid lol.
It's not your fault.
We're all mad about this trade.
Pre covid? No, you suggested we trade Ayton for AD around the same time you were suggesting trading him for Zion. This was after it was obvious we would probably trade him. We only had Ayton like 1 season before Covid.
Was this before of after I called the league forcing Sarver to sell the team, Monty getting fired as soon as the new owner was able and Nurk being a disaster?
Since you like to keep track of all of my old takes....
BobbieL wrote:Sunsdeuce wrote:Per Brian Windhorst:
The Heat’s Jimmy Butler has communicated to the Warriors that he’s unwilling to sign an extension there & therefore trade talks to send him to Golden State have ended for now
Pat Riley is going to play Ishbia like a drum (or fiddle) - whatever the saying
Now the Spurs, Rockets, Grizz and OKC have better futures than the Suns and better presents
Spurs didn't give up Vassell or Castle
BobbieL wrote:Sunsdeuce wrote:Fox is now a Spur and Lavine is a King and Ishbia is stuck with his poop team.
If Ishbia is being honest with himself - he calls up the Warriors and listens on Durant and Booker too. And if Butler is traded to the Suns - Ryan Dunn will be a Chicago Bull.
Brett Siegel is reporting the Warriors asked about Durant
sunskerr wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Damn if only...
Although that being said if we blow up I really don't rate any of the warriors prospectsjust the picks.
Guess id ask for kuminga and picks but yeah they're all pretty meh. But KD is 37 so whatever it's fair.
Also about Fox/Lavine
Lavine in theory a much better fit with Saboner and DeRozan. I still hate the DeRozan acquisition though I think he is a bad fit himself with Sabonis.
Lavine is still really good and having a resurgence. He's one of the best shooters in the league from 3, can create for himself, and is not too much worse than Fox on D.
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
If the kings pull this off and add him to their new lineup, they're going to be really tough to beat!
sunsbg wrote:If Dunn was included it'd be a done deal by now. Don't think both FOs are that stupid - our to offer, Heat to reject it. The second Butler signs his extension he becomes as bad of a contract as Beal, if not worse. Beal + 1st is all we should offer.
Saberestar wrote:Barry Jackson from the Miami HeraldIf Butler deters every non Suns team from trading for him, and if he opts in for 52.4 M next season, and nobody still wants Beal this summer, it will be incumbent upon Adam Silver to intervene. This circus can't continue for 14 more months
bwgood77 wrote:Saberestar wrote:Barry Jackson from the Miami HeraldIf Butler deters every non Suns team from trading for him, and if he opts in for 52.4 M next season, and nobody still wants Beal this summer, it will be incumbent upon Adam Silver to intervene. This circus can't continue for 14 more months
I think it's ridiculous he says he won't sign long term in GS. It's amazing he wants to play in Phx that bad. I wonder if GS wouldn't pay him as much as he can make.
But I don't think Miami will necessarily cave just because Jimmy is like this. They may just want to move on, but I don't see these guys responding well to being held hostage. Butler may just be screwing himself.
49erhokie827 wrote:Saberestar wrote:By all accounts, the Phoenix Suns still want to trade for Jimmy Butler. In order to do so, Bradley Beal would need to approve a trade. Nothing has changed there. But there now some insight into Beal's hesitancy to approve a trade.
When Beal was traded to the Suns, his entire family moved from Washington to Phoenix with him. Now, Beal is hesitant to uproot his family again, two years later. That's why it would have to be a perfect situation for the veteran guard to approve a trade.
For Beal to approve a trade, he'd be looking for a team that is in a winning situation in a desirable city. Reportedly, Beal would prefer to stay in a warm-weather city, but the basketball situation can trump that desire.
Despite the fact that the Miami Heat would fit Beal's criteria, the Heat don't want to take on Beal's contract. Miami is seeking to keep as much cap flexibility for 2026 and beyond as possible in a potential Butler trade.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6106103/2025/02/02/jimmy-butler-trade-destinations-warriors-bucks-sixers-suns/
Miami will just have to learn to accept Beal and come to the realization no FA is coming to them 2026 and beyond anyways.
49erhokie827 wrote:
Miami will just have to learn to accept Beal and come to the realization no FA is coming to them 2026 and beyond anyways.
King4Day wrote:49erhokie827 wrote:
Miami will just have to learn to accept Beal and come to the realization no FA is coming to them 2026 and beyond anyways.
2 of their targets have come off the board with Fox and Luka.
Not saying they should accept Beal, but unless they want to rebuild, or be trade facilitators, I'm not sure they'll get the big fish they desire.
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
enigmatics wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
His family would be ecstatic to live in Miami. Who they trying to kid here?
His first priority is his family, according to a source familiar with his thinking. Beal, his wife and two kids moved from Washington to Los Angeles and then full-time to Phoenix all in the past couple of years. A trade would mean either uprooting his two sons once again or leaving them to play elsewhere.
Beal is willing to waive his no-trade clause, the source said, but the list is not long. He would need to go to a winning team that is also in an appealing city. Cold weather has never been his favorite, though he would make exceptions if the basketball situation were appealing enough.
Miami fits that description. Yet, there’s another issue: The Heat, hoping to open up cap room by the summer of 2026, don’t want him. Beal will make $110 million over the two seasons after this one.
bwgood77 wrote:sunsbg wrote:If Dunn was included it'd be a done deal by now. Don't think both FOs are that stupid - our to offer, Heat to reject it. The second Butler signs his extension he becomes as bad of a contract as Beal, if not worse. Beal + 1st is all we should offer.
I'll be a little surprised if we get Butler and Dunn isn't outgoing somewhere. I don't want to trade Dunn, but as much as they seem to want Butler, they won't walk away because of Dunn. Though I don't know if people REALLY don't want Beal, if Dunn is enough to convince anyone. I love Dunn and he's great, but I don't think he has like some super trade value or anything.
bwgood77 wrote:Saberestar wrote:Barry Jackson from the Miami HeraldIf Butler deters every non Suns team from trading for him, and if he opts in for 52.4 M next season, and nobody still wants Beal this summer, it will be incumbent upon Adam Silver to intervene. This circus can't continue for 14 more months
I think it's ridiculous he says he won't sign long term in GS. It's amazing he wants to play in Phx that bad. I wonder if GS wouldn't pay him as much as he can make.
But I don't think Miami will necessarily cave just because Jimmy is like this. They may just want to move on, but I don't see these guys responding well to being held hostage. Butler may just be screwing himself.
