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Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continues

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Re: Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continu 

Post#1021 » by Blackification » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:19 am

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andguy22 wrote: he acted as if somehow the Suns had disrespected him. He played the victim . That was the first bad taste that he left us with. We all had his back,,,,,,and he pulled this ?


Fans having his back is meaningless essentially. Most people, if they see peers making more than them, especially if you are better than your higher paid peers, would be ticked off at what is seen as a low ball offer.

If you were Bledsoe, you would be happy getting $30 mil less than Parsons or Hayward since you know the fans have your back? They may play a more scarce position, but almost anyone would feel screwed over seeing what they received and what he is being offered. Those teams may have overpaid but that is the current market a player sees..


He has every right to be ticked off that he ended up in this situation. However, he should be ticked off at his **** agent for not going out there and getting him a max deal when he had the chance. Hayward and parsons had agents who did that and set the market for their players that way. Rich Paul jerked it with Lebron until bledsoes market dried out. The suns are the only ones who offered him anything. It might be lower than what he had hoped for but most reports have GMs feeling the offer is fair. If anything Bledsoe should be upset at his agent and his own injury history which unfortunately is out of his control but still a major issue.

And I agree what the fans think of him is irrelevant, im sure he has bigger problems right now than what the fans think of him when his financial security is on the line if his agent pressures him into the QO
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Re: Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continu 

Post#1022 » by Saberestar » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:29 am

Slovenian star Zoran Dragic is in advanced discussions to leave his European team, BC Unicaja, for the NBA, league sources tell RealGM.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShamsCharania

It will be with us?
I think we are working at the same time about dealing Bledsoe to another team and signing Zoran to replace some Bledsoe's minutes on the court.
IF we are trading Bledsoe and we sign Zoran, our primary target in the trade would be a PF or C.
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Post#1023 » by Saberestar » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:41 am

At this point, I would trade Bledsoe for "only" Dieng and a lower pick's protection next year.
Something like Dieng/Barea(cut)/filler and top 5 pick protected for Bledsoe and Shavlik Randolph.

Dieng has 3 more years under his rookie del, but he is really prepared to be a full time sarter on a playoff team.
He can put 12p/10r/2b with a great defense for a ton of years in the NBA...I see a lot of Ibaka on him.
If Minnesota is open to negotiate about Dieng, we have to get him. Plumlee is perfetc coming of the bench with his athleticism and energy to play 18-20 minutes, and we can develop Len slowly, playing some minutes here and there and observing his progression.
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Post#1024 » by No-Man » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:50 am

What if Minnesota sends you, Barea (cut), Henson+Knight (from Milwaukee for Rubio), lowered pick next year, only top5 protected, and either Dieng, for Bledsoe?

Or, Derrick Williams, McLemore, Barea and Dieng, plus the pick.
With Rubio going to Sacramento.

I think those are fair deals in your current situation.
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Post#1025 » by Saberestar » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:25 pm

Fischella wrote:What if Minnesota sends you, Barea (cut), Henson+Knight (from Milwaukee for Rubio), lowered pick next year, only top5 protected, and either Dieng, for Bledsoe?

Or, Derrick Williams, McLemore, Barea and Dieng, plus the pick.
With Rubio going to Sacramento.

I think those are fair deals in your current situation.

Personally, I would agree to the two trades.
Obviously, there are too many players involved, but after the trade we can make some other small trades or cut some guys.

Dieng,Henson, Knight and lower to a Top 5 pick for Bledsoe+Randolph would be a good trade.
I don't like McLemore, but he has potential and we can trade him to another team for a player that we like too.
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Post#1026 » by Kerrsed » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:58 pm

Zoran has to have a deal on the table that he's taking if he is in "advanced talks" to leave his team.

I would love to snatch him up. Its interesting, If we trade Bledsoe it opens up playing time and money for Zoran (not to mention it would go along way with our talks with Goran).

Now when i look at Bledsoe trades, i include Zoran coming to us, and some of them start to look a lot better.

Bledsoe/Randolph/Green to the Wolves for Dieng/Shabazz/Zoran/removal of 2015 pick protection.

Bledsoe/Randolph to the Pacers for West/Zoran/1st

Bledsoe/Randolph to the Bucks for Sanders/Zoran/1st
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Post#1027 » by No-Man » Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:30 pm

The Wolves trade does not work, you will have to swallow something else back, plus they wont remove completely the protection, not a chance.

The one with the Pacers is pretty bad for Phoenix, the one with Milwaukee makes the most sense.
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Post#1028 » by MathiasPW » Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:59 pm

Did anyone actually see Zoran playing? I only watched a couple of games from Slovenia in the WC (ok, one was against the US, so can't expect much), and I think he didn't do a good job at all. Good defense, lost and turnover-prone on offense.
Don't know why the expectation is so high on him. He may help to resign Dragic next year for a lower price, but he'll cost at least $ 3.5 MM, so there goes your discount.
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Re: Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continu 

Post#1029 » by bwgood77 » Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:03 pm

Fischella wrote:The Wolves trade does not work, you will have to swallow something else back, plus they wont remove completely the protection, not a chance.

The one with the Pacers is pretty bad for Phoenix, the one with Milwaukee makes the most sense.


Nobody wants Henson. The only players from the teams I am interested in that I think they might trade between Sac/Mil/Min are Dieng, Stauskas, and lowered protection of pick (or Sac/Mil first round pick no more than top 5 protected). I wouldn't mind filler that either expires or is Thad. Possibly McLemore, Brandon Knight or McLemore.

I thought Sac made the most sense before, but now that they signed Ramon Sessions (and got him on a killer deal) they are not as desperate at PG as before.

Having said all this, I think the Suns and Bledsoe will likely hammer out a deal at the last minute. If the Suns go up to 4/54, Bledsoe only loses money taking QO even IF he gets a full max the following summer. Even if it was just about principle, it would be terribly idiotic for a player with his injury history not to take the guaranteed money now. And the Suns are better with him than with any of the potential deals no matter who they get out of the guys above.
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Post#1030 » by No-Man » Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:06 pm

Henson is better than Dieng.
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Post#1031 » by Fo-Real » Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:21 pm

I would take Henson in a package..... Dieng is not avaliable... they love him.
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Re: Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continu 

Post#1032 » by NavLDO » Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:25 pm

Another point on Bledsoe, which I think hasn't been brought up enough is...

...if I'm Bledsoe, and I'm known to have injury issues, wouldn't I want to play for the team that has the 'crème de la crème' of training staffs to boost my chances of staying healthy?

I wonder if other teams, that also know this, are concerned because PHX won't pay more than $12M per for his services.

I think if he takes the QO, it would probably be his best option, outside of signing for what we have on the table. I wouldn't want a trade without the Max. That point is probably why he's pining so hard for the Max; because he knows that this may be his ONLY payday.
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Re: Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continu 

Post#1033 » by Zelaznyrules » Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:33 pm

Fischella wrote:Henson is better than Dieng.


At Scrabble?
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Post#1034 » by Fo-Real » Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:48 pm

Zelaznyrules wrote:
Fischella wrote:Henson is better than Dieng.


At Scrabble?

Nope... not even that. Plum went to DUKE SIR........LOL
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Post#1035 » by Zelaznyrules » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:43 pm

Fo-Real wrote:
Zelaznyrules wrote:
Fischella wrote:Henson is better than Dieng.


At Scrabble?

Nope... not even that. Plum went to DUKE SIR........LOL


I'm missing something here but Plum played for Coach Shashevski, that's got to mess with your basic spelling skills.
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Post#1036 » by No-Man » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:59 pm

Dieng is a back-up Center for life, he doesnt have enough strength, athleticism or mobility to be a starting Center, and he is too raw on offense.

Henson is more versatile, longer, better player overall, can play two positions and is basically developing a shot away from being a terrific PF prospect.

I'd prefer Henson over Dieng 10 out 10 times.
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Post#1037 » by Zelaznyrules » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:20 pm

Fischella wrote:Dieng is a back-up Center for life, he doesnt have enough strength, athleticism or mobility to be a starting Center, and he is too raw on offense.

Henson is more versatile, longer, better player overall, can play two positions and is basically developing a shot away from being a terrific PF prospect.

I'd prefer Henson over Dieng 10 out 10 times.


I don't know that Henson will ever fill out enough to play the 5 spot and his limited range kills him playing the 4. But you're right, he's a terrific PF prospect if he could develop a good outside shot. I'm pretty sure that he'd be untouchable though if Milwaukee was convinced he's on the verge of perfecting that shot from distance. As for Dieng, I think you're selling him short.
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Post#1038 » by gaspar » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:26 pm

Fischella wrote:Dieng is a back-up Center for life, he doesnt have enough strength, athleticism or mobility to be a starting Center, and he is too raw on offense.

Henson is more versatile, longer, better player overall, can play two positions and is basically developing a shot away from being a terrific PF prospect.

I'd prefer Henson over Dieng 10 out 10 times.

Henson also has the worst defensive awareness in the league since young Amare and is completely useless on both ends of the court beyond 5 ft. from the basket.
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Post#1039 » by Split T » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:29 pm

In any trade with minny we will have to take pekovic or two from budinger, barea, Martin, Rubio, brewer to make it work salary wise. I don't like peks contract, it's got 4/48 left on it. Martins is bad too, like 3/24. I'd offer bled/Randolph for barea(expiring), budinger or brewer(2/10) lavine,dieng, protection removed(top3). Anything less I'd say no and offer bled 5/70 with decreasing salaries. He'd have to take it and he'd stay very tradeable if he stays healthy.
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Re: Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continu 

Post#1040 » by Safety Pickle » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:31 pm

Fischella wrote:Dieng is a back-up Center for life, he doesnt have enough strength, athleticism or mobility to be a starting Center, and he is too raw on offense.

Henson is more versatile, longer, better player overall, can play two positions and is basically developing a shot away from being a terrific PF prospect.

I'd prefer Henson over Dieng 10 out 10 times.


What are you basing this off of? 1 season (his rookie season)? Look at his game logs from the end of last season when Pek went down (and he was finally able to play quality minutes). He had plenty of games scoring 14+ points, 15+ rebounds (even 2 20 rebound games), and was averaging like 2 blocks during April.

Your post is just full of nonsense.

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