Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs

YouTube · Post #1021 » by **Kerrsed** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:46 pm

According to Chris Mannix of Sports Illustrated, the Denver Nuggets are among the teams that have showed great interest in Brook Lopez, Nets' big man.

Brooklyn is talking with several teams and is willing to move the player as soon as possible.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k4atd3n

Revived · Post #1022 » by **Revived** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:01 pm

Feels like the Suns and Thunder have countering one another with trades to take that #8 playoff spot. For OKC it's about saving face with having all these stars and missing playoffs would be embarrassing. For PHX, it's about not being mediocre/stuck in the middle (#14) again.

We trade for Wright, OKC trades for Waiters.

We trade for Bullock, OKC trying to land Lopez.

(Timeline line might be off with OKC making the moves first but you get the point)

I wonder what McD would counter with if the Thunder do end up acquiring Lopez. For the Suns, they need defense & rebounding at PF.

Frank Lee · Post #1023 » by **Frank Lee** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:18 pm

I don't know how much other teams effect this one at this point in time

Post #1024 » by **Qwigglez** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:18 pm

DarkHawk wrote:Would Teletovic be any better than Tolliver? I haven't seen much of him.

Far better. He's taller, tougher, and actually gets blocks from time to time. He reminds me of Frye to a certain extent, except he could be far better in our system.

Post #1025 » by **Qwigglez** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:21 pm

Spoiler:

Like I said, I would give up all our assets minus Bledsoe/Len to get Butler. Going forward, imagine Bledsoe/Butler/Warren/Len developing. That could be... great.

gaspar · Post #1026 » by **gaspar** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:42 pm

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Post #1027 » by **Qwigglez** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:48 pm

What exactly is the proposed deal?
Thunder get Brook Lopez, give up Reggie Jackson, Jeremy Lamb, Kendrick Perkins.
I could care less what the Nets and Hornets get as they aren't in our conference.

NavLDO · Post #1028 » by **NavLDO** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:51 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:Well we did sign his brother, didn't we?

As goodwill and to hope he would sign for less or for something "reasonable". I guess I'm just uncomfortable with the idea of committing so much to two players playing the same position.

But they don't play the same position really. With the cap going up, and the other four starters are locked in, I don't think its a big deal.

Totally agree. I think we as fans need to look at Bledsoe and Dragic as "2 starters," as opposed to "2 PGs." If you look at it this way, it's much more palatable. Lots of teams have ~$30M locked up amongst 2 starters. Plus, the rest of our starters are $5.5M (SF), $8M (PF), $3.8M (C) for next year, for a grand total of $17.3M, then added to EB and Dragic, that would be $47.3M, which is chump change and still allows us to go after and upgrade to Kief.

So while I get the fact that Dragic is not an ideal SG, that's not really the concern, as far as I'm concerned. He plays well enough there to be effective. Plus, EB will surely continue to progress and be considered a top 7-8 PG on the league by next season.

Now it is possible they let Dragic walk, or trade him, but if they do that, they need to ensure that either Goodwin or Bullock are ready to fill that void, or they need to upgrade Dragic and get a legit SG, which to me, makes little sense, as he's sporting a 17/4/3.5 stat line on 35% from 3. And while those aren't 3rd team All-NBA numbers this year, they are competitive against more traditional SGs in the league, with the added bonus of knowing he can run the offense like a PG, as well, which makes him valuable. He's unique in his capabilities, which to me, makes him worth every bit of a $15M per contract.

jcsunsfan · Post #1029 » by **jcsunsfan** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:16 pm

NavLDO wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:As goodwill and to hope he would sign for less or for something "reasonable". I guess I'm just uncomfortable with the idea of committing so much to two players playing the same position.

But they don't play the same position really. With the cap going up, and the other four starters are locked in, I don't think its a big deal.

Totally agree. I think we as fans need to look at Bledsoe and Dragic as "2 starters," as opposed to "2 PGs." If you look at it this way, it's much more palatable. Lots of teams have ~$30M locked up amongst 2 starters. Plus, the rest of our starters are $5.5M (SF), $8M (PF), $3.8M (C) for next year, for a grand total of $17.3M, then added to EB and Dragic, that would be $47.3M, which is chump change and still allows us to go after and upgrade to Kief.

So while I get the fact that Dragic is not an ideal SG, that's not really the concern, as far as I'm concerned. He plays well enough there to be effective. Plus, EB will surely continue to progress and be considered a top 7-8 PG on the league by next season.

Now it is possible they let Dragic walk, or trade him, but if they do that, they need to ensure that either Goodwin or Bullock are ready to fill that void, or they need to upgrade Dragic and get a legit SG, which to me, makes little sense, as he's sporting a 17/4/3.5 stat line on 35% from 3. And while those aren't 3rd team All-NBA numbers this year, they are competitive against more traditional SGs in the league, with the added bonus of knowing he can run the offense like a PG, as well, which makes him valuable. He's unique in his capabilities, which to me, makes him worth every bit of a $15M per contract.

This is it. Dragic is playing the 2, which most thought was his best position a few years ago anyway. He can slide over to the pg position if needed. Bledsoe is the 1 but can slide to the 2. Is it just me, or might Ennis be a better third guard in this rotation than IT?

Zelaznyrules · Post #1030 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:17 pm

1UPZ wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:With Len continuing to get better and the Wright pick up, I'm OK with standing pat.

I want to keep the Morris twins and Dragic.

I could care less what happens to Plumlee, Green, or IT.

I really think we need to start to develop our young guards, so trading away IT and Green works for me even if it costs us the last spot in the playoffs.

If a team specifically asks for Plumlee, I'll gladly give him up, but I'd rather throw in a second round pick. I still think the Plum dog has potential if he gets over the mental blocks.

+1,000,000 to you.

Keep a competitive team but develop the young, make them make mistakes so they go back to the gym and have motivation to come back strong, give them the same treatment Len is getting to see if they can be good players.

Some will say they're not ready, but throw them in the deep end and watch them become ready because of confidence.

WIn or Lose games, doesnt matter for this season, but from next season and the next few years the Suns form a core that is legit. If they win games this season and make the playoffs and cause upset, then thats icing on the cake.

You mean, give them the same treatment as Len where he was glued to the bench until he worked his butt off over the summer and showed great improvement? Because that kind of treatment I'm in favor of. Just about every interview going into this season with players, coaches and management talked about the tremendous improvement that Len made during the offseason. If Goodwin and the others start showing that kind of improvement they'll get a chance to take the next step too. I want to see the young guys play also but I want it to be because they've shown they deserve the time, not simply because they are young.

Post #1031 » by **Qwigglez** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:39 pm

Zelaznyrules wrote:
You mean, give them the same treatment as Len where he was glued to the bench until he worked his butt off over the summer and showed great improvement? Because that kind of treatment I'm in favor of. Just about every interview going into this season with players, coaches and management talked about the tremendous improvement that Len made during the offseason. If Goodwin and the others start showing that kind of improvement they'll get a chance to take the next step too. I want to see the young guys play also but I want it to be because they've shown they deserve the time, not simply because they are young.

That's not what happened at all. Len was injured pretty much all of his rookie year. He wasn't glued to the bench because he sucked. I'm sure he gave a ton of effort last year, and didn't just start working his butt off over the summer.

RunDogGun · Post #1032 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:47 pm

Len is a different animal altogether. He is the only drafted player we have that was in the conversation of being drafted number one. Next even according to Len himself, the game was too fast for him. So he worked his butt off and got himself caught up, and EARNED his minutes and now the starting spot.

There was no nice treatment for him, he earned it. I think we would all love the other young kids to earn it like Len did, for we would be a super deep team, and we could let go guys that we don't need to teams that want them, while gaining future assets.

Revived · Post #1033 » by **Revived** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:47 pm

Qwigglez wrote:
Zelaznyrules wrote:
You mean, give them the same treatment as Len where he was glued to the bench until he worked his butt off over the summer and showed great improvement? Because that kind of treatment I'm in favor of. Just about every interview going into this season with players, coaches and management talked about the tremendous improvement that Len made during the offseason. If Goodwin and the others start showing that kind of improvement they'll get a chance to take the next step too. I want to see the young guys play also but I want it to be because they've shown they deserve the time, not simply because they are young.

That's not what happened at all. Len was injured pretty much all of his rookie year. He wasn't glued to the bench because he sucked. I'm sure he gave a ton of effort last year, and didn't just start working his butt off over the summer.

Yea I don't think Len was slacking earlier and just suddenly found motivation this past summer to work hard. And not only that, wasn't there half a dozen reports about how Archie Goodwin was working his butt off over the summer and was always in the gym etc? I remember McD himself saying something about that.

RunDogGun · Post #1034 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:49 pm

Qwigglez wrote:
Zelaznyrules wrote:
You mean, give them the same treatment as Len where he was glued to the bench until he worked his butt off over the summer and showed great improvement? Because that kind of treatment I'm in favor of. Just about every interview going into this season with players, coaches and management talked about the tremendous improvement that Len made during the offseason. If Goodwin and the others start showing that kind of improvement they'll get a chance to take the next step too. I want to see the young guys play also but I want it to be because they've shown they deserve the time, not simply because they are young.

That's not what happened at all. Len was injured pretty much all of his rookie year. He wasn't glued to the bench because he sucked. I'm sure he gave a ton of effort last year, and didn't just start working his butt off over the summer.

Actually according to Len, it did happen similar to that. He himself said he wasn't ready his rookie season.

Post #1035 » by **Qwigglez** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:53 pm

Yeah he wasn't ready, he was injured, the game was too fast for him. The point I was making was exactly what SF88 said.

sunsfever68 · Post #1036 » by **sunsfever68** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:54 pm

Are you guys in the camp that we need another star to come in the form of a big man (aka replace Markieff upgrade him say a Greg Monroe type)

Or are you guys thinking we could trade for a Ryan Anderson type to compliment Kieff stretch the floor knock down shots increase the spacing for our guards to penetrate and have space for Len to work as well.

I think it's an interesting decision for the Suns front office to make.

I like Markieff I like his tenacity he needs to stop with the technicals but I like his production at his salary.

I think a big man rotation of Markieff Len and Wright is solid we just need a backup power forward, say a Ryan Anderson to fill out the rotation.

I think salary wise getting Monroe would cost us big money probably 6-7M a year more than Markieff and I'm not sold he'll produce and add that much more value.

I like the idea of giving Goran that money and trading away IT, Green, and Marcus Morris and possibly a draft pick to get an impact player.

See if New Orleans would pull the trigger on It, Green, Marcus Morris for Anderson. Throw in a 2nd round pick to make it work.

jcsunsfan · Post #1037 » by **jcsunsfan** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:54 pm

I think Archie is better than Bullock--at least from watching the tape. If we traded Green, there would not be much drop off if Archie filled the role. He would do it differently, less outside shooting, more moves to the hoop, more D.

Archie had 23 pts and 4 boards yesterday with the Jam, shooting 7-18 and 2-6 from 3. Earl Barron had 30 pts and 23 boards

Zelaznyrules · Post #1038 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:11 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Yeah he wasn't ready, he was injured, the game was too fast for him. The point I was making was exactly what SF88 said.

If that's your point then I think you took my earlier post the wrong way. I wasn't calling him lazy. I agree there were reasons he wasn't performing but the point remains he was glued to the bench last season. He wasn't earning minutes with his play. And now he is. And it's in large part due to the work he put in during the offseason. I'm just disputing the contention that his improvement is solely because we are playing him in games. I saw interviews where McDonough, Babby, Hornacek and Dragic each raved about Len's improvement going into this season. Now, given minutes, Alex is taking that improvement even further but he's earned his minutes. It's poor logic to assume that it would automatically happen with Goodwin and others if they don't show improvement away from the game too.

sunsfever68 · Post #1039 » by **sunsfever68** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:27 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:I think Archie is better than Bullock--at least from watching the tape. If we traded Green, there would not be much drop off if Archie filled the role. He would do it differently, less outside shooting, more moves to the hoop, more D.

Archie had 23 pts and 4 boards yesterday with the Jam, shooting 7-18 and 2-6 from 3. Earl Barron had 30 pts and 23 boards

Archie and Reggie are 2 different players

Archie is a scorer Reggie is a shooter.

Archie scores in space and doesn't shoot well, Reggie scores off 3 pointers, set shots, curls off pick and rolls, one-2 dribble pull up jumpers.

I want both on the team.

Archie as a 2 Reggie as a 3.

Frank Lee · Post #1040 » by **Frank Lee** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:34 pm

Bullock can shoot. Archie can't. end of story

May be one day the D league wont look like pick up games at the Y. EarlB with 30/23.... sheesh. Those are about his career totals here.