2016 Draft Thread Part 4

[letsgosuns]

The rumor Hayward wants out and the Jazz are trying to accommodate him is a complete lie. Look at the update after the initial tweets: http://nesn.com/2016/06/nba-trade-rumors-gordon-hayward-wants-out-jazz-actively-shopping-him/

Just like that garbage that that one website posted about Bledsoe wanting out. These sites want attention and twitter followers. They will post anything to get noticed.

[Jarlaxle0204]

I imagine Bender wants to be here too as we have a giant gaping hole at PF. Hopefully McD makes the right call.

[saintEscaton]

I hope we don't sell the pick for another "borderline" all-star , but its hard to attain promising player on a rookie deals when they are under team control

[8on]

The rumor Hayward wants out and the Jazz are trying to accommodate him is a complete lie. Look at the update after the initial tweets: http://nesn.com/2016/06/nba-trade-rumors-gordon-hayward-wants-out-jazz-actively-shopping-him/

Just like that garbage that that one website posted about Bledsoe wanting out. These sites want attention and twitter followers. They will post anything to get noticed.

apparently Jody has spoken to sources "inside the Jazz" (which sounds like one of the 5 the worst possible NPR podcasts ever).

What person that wants to keep his/her job inside the Jazz would tell you that Hayward is being traded?

[Ghost of Kleine]

If we move Okafor for the 4 pick are we saying Okafor is a power forward? He's best playing center and we have Chandler and Len there.


If Okafor and Len can work together offense/defense I'm for it. Okafor needs to get his act together though we all know he's a prolific offensive talent.


Bledsoe Booker Okafor Len is a solid young core. Pull the trigger McD

If they trade for Okafor they should trade chandler for a bag of balls to a contender looking to use up its cap space. Hell they should look to do that even if they don't aquire Okafor.

Nah, If we were to move the #4 for okafor, I'd then try and trade chandler and knight to the kings for the #8 pick, and willy cauly stein. Then pick murray or heild with #8 and skal or davis with #13.

roll with bledsoe/booker/ warren/ wcs/okafor. good starting 5. And then you have : Murray/ Or Heild/ tucker/ skal or deyonte davis/ len.

We can use pick #28 on a backup point guard....Demetrius Jackson Or Gary Payton II. Great draft there.

[WeekapaugGroove]

If we move Okafor for the 4 pick are we saying Okafor is a power forward? He's best playing center and we have Chandler and Len there.


If Okafor and Len can work together offense/defense I'm for it. Okafor needs to get his act together though we all know he's a prolific offensive talent.


Bledsoe Booker Okafor Len is a solid young core. Pull the trigger McD

If they trade for Okafor they should trade chandler for a bag of balls to a contender looking to use up its cap space. Hell they should look to do that even if they don't aquire Okafor.

Nah, If we were to move the #4 for okafor, I'd then try and trade chandler and knight to the kings for the #8 pick, and willy cauly stein. Then pick murray or heild with #8 and skal or davis with #13.

roll with bledsoe/booker/ warren/ wcs/okafor. good starting 5. And then you have : Murray/ Or Heild/ tucker/ skal or deyonte davis/ len.

We can use pick #28 on a backup point guard....Demetrius Jackson Or Gary Payton II. Great draft there.

Sure they should try to do that deal with the kings but the kings would probably file charges for attempted rape.

Chandler has little to no trade value.

[letsgosuns]

The rumor Hayward wants out and the Jazz are trying to accommodate him is a complete lie. Look at the update after the initial tweets: http://nesn.com/2016/06/nba-trade-rumors-gordon-hayward-wants-out-jazz-actively-shopping-him/

Just like that garbage that that one website posted about Bledsoe wanting out. These sites want attention and twitter followers. They will post anything to get noticed.

apparently Jody has spoken to sources "inside the Jazz" (which sounds like one of the 5 the worst possible NPR podcasts ever).

What person that wants to keep his/her job inside the Jazz would tell you that Hayward is being traded?

He is their beat writer. Read his tweets today. https://twitter.com/DJJazzyJody

[Saberestar]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNAndyKatz/status/745634802431197186[/tweet]

He said he has no promise, but then again Ben Simmons also said he doesn't have a promise lol

Yeah, Chriss is our pick at #4 for sure.

Now we have to wonder if McD goes with Dejounte Murray at #13 or if he picks a "veteran" rookie like Valentine or Luwawu with that pick.

[saintEscaton]

I like Jah a lot too but how isn't this dude Al Jefferson Redux?

Because Big Al is a better rebounder

Seriously, I don't think some of you realize how bad on the glass Okafor was last year. He ranked 45th in rebound rate among 47 centers to play at least 500 minutes last season. Low post scoring is very useful but I want my center first and foremost to rebound and protect the rim. Okafor does neither of those things.

He's not too shabby at the the latter


[tweet]https://twitter.com/pjeffersonlim/status/744161585015357442[/tweet]

[Ghost of Kleine]

So can it be said that Jah is more or less tim duncan in concrete boots??? Meaning offensively....But with little to no semblance of any defensive potential.

[bwgood77]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNAndyKatz/status/745634802431197186[/tweet]

He said he has no promise, but then again Ben Simmons also said he doesn't have a promise lol

Yeah, Chriss is our pick at #4 for sure.

Now we have to wonder if McD goes with Dejounte Murray at #13 or if he picks a "veteran" rookie like Valentine or Luwawu with that pick.

Doubt he takes Valentine with the Brandon Roy type injury concerns.

[letsgosuns]

That guy who said the Jazz are trying to accommodate Hayward is backtracking now and saying the Celtics are pushing for Hayward and the Jazz are not biting.

https://twitter.com/hoopscritic

The Jazz beat writer has already flatly denied this rumor.

[GetYourPHX]

More Eric Bledsoe trade chatter from SportingNews.

Suns moving Eric Bledsoe?

Another young veteran who will be firmly on the trading block is Eric Bledsoe of the Suns, as Phoenix seeks to rebalance its guard-heavy roster and hopes to add frontcourt help. The Suns have interest in drafting point guard Kris Dunn of Providence with the No. 4 pick, which would give them a rookie to develop while cashing in on Bledsoe’s value.

Of course, that value took a serious hit last winter when Bledsoe had the third knee surgery of his career. Bledsoe had the meniscus in his right knee repaired in 2011, and removed altogether in 2014. He had his left meniscus repaired in December. Removing the meniscus essentially leaves the bones of the knee rubbing against each other, and leaves players susceptible to tendinitis and bone bruises. That’s why doctors try to repair a meniscus before removing it.

- Article

This is probably the one scenario where we draft a guard that I can get behind. I like Dunn a lot, but we need to trade Bledsoe if we draft him.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

More Eric Bledsoe trade chatter from SportingNews.

Suns moving Eric Bledsoe?

Another young veteran who will be firmly on the trading block is Eric Bledsoe of the Suns, as Phoenix seeks to rebalance its guard-heavy roster and hopes to add frontcourt help. The Suns have interest in drafting point guard Kris Dunn of Providence with the No. 4 pick, which would give them a rookie to develop while cashing in on Bledsoe’s value.

Of course, that value took a serious hit last winter when Bledsoe had the third knee surgery of his career. Bledsoe had the meniscus in his right knee repaired in 2011, and removed altogether in 2014. He had his left meniscus repaired in December. Removing the meniscus essentially leaves the bones of the knee rubbing against each other, and leaves players susceptible to tendinitis and bone bruises. That’s why doctors try to repair a meniscus before removing it.

- Article

This is probably the one scenario where we draft a guard that I can get behind. I like Dunn a lot, but we need to trade Bledsoe if we draft him.

I'm on board with this as well. With so many teams wanting an established player, you'd think Bledsoe could net the #6 by himself, and at that spot, we'd still likely be in position to draft one of Bender or Chriss. PROBLEM: if we were considering this, why would Bled be signing autographs at the draft party??

[gaspar]

Good ol' Sean Deveney. According to him Bledsoe is on the trading block since the day we acquired him from the Clippers.

[TeamTragic]

Listening to Woj's podcast with Givony that just dropped. He said the Suns/Celtics do not want to draft a player at #3/#4, both want a guy like Hayward or Butler but they're not available for #3 or #4, maybe Utah/Chicago would trade them for #1 or #2, but the #3 pick and so on is basically useless. Both Givony and Woj agreed it is unlikely an all-star is traded tomorrow, but expect a lot of deals.

He said there is pressure in Phoenix to get back into the playoffs due to Sarver's impatience, he said McD will be aggressive in bringing back a guy to FIGHT FOR THE 8TH SEED (WTF!). He said we'll be chasing veterans the whole way up to our pick.

Givony said a lot of GM's (didn't say McD specifically) are thinking in the back of their heads "will I be there in 2-3 years" to see guys like Bender or Chriss pan out and that might influence their decisions.

Said both Minnesota and Philly love Dunn, but he doesn't think Minnesota will trade up with the Suns or Celtics.

Givony said some perceived draft and stash guys want to go to the NBA immediately and will give an ultimatum of "give me a contract or cut me." I know Gambo mentioned that the Suns would consider a draft and stash guy in the 20's.

Said Brown and Bender are dropping due to lack of experience (but why is Chriss rising?).

Said Skal was very impressive in workouts.

Givony said 3-8 is the same tier of players, after 9 there is a big drop off.

https://art19.com/shows/vertical

He said there is pressure in Phoenix to get back into the playoffs due to Sarver's impatience, he said McD will be aggressive in bringing back a guy to FIGHT FOR THE 8TH SEED (WTF!). He said we'll be chasing veterans the whole way up to our pick.

Sarver...

What's new right? Sarver is a **** clown.

[GetYourPHX]

More Eric Bledsoe trade chatter from SportingNews.

Suns moving Eric Bledsoe?

Another young veteran who will be firmly on the trading block is Eric Bledsoe of the Suns, as Phoenix seeks to rebalance its guard-heavy roster and hopes to add frontcourt help. The Suns have interest in drafting point guard Kris Dunn of Providence with the No. 4 pick, which would give them a rookie to develop while cashing in on Bledsoe’s value.

Of course, that value took a serious hit last winter when Bledsoe had the third knee surgery of his career. Bledsoe had the meniscus in his right knee repaired in 2011, and removed altogether in 2014. He had his left meniscus repaired in December. Removing the meniscus essentially leaves the bones of the knee rubbing against each other, and leaves players susceptible to tendinitis and bone bruises. That’s why doctors try to repair a meniscus before removing it.

- Article

This is probably the one scenario where we draft a guard that I can get behind. I like Dunn a lot, but we need to trade Bledsoe if we draft him.

I'm on board with this as well. With so many teams wanting an established player, you'd think Bledsoe could net the #6 by himself, and at that spot, we'd still likely be in position to draft one of Bender or Chriss. PROBLEM: if we were considering this, why would Bled be signing autographs at the draft party??

I hope Bledsoe would net us more than the #6 in this draft. He's too good of a player on a very nice contract.

In regards to the draft party, remember that marketing and basketball operations are two separate departments. They don't always know what the other is doing.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I like Jah a lot too but how isn't this dude Al Jefferson Redux?

Because Big Al is a better rebounder

Seriously, I don't think some of you realize how bad on the glass Okafor was last year. He ranked 45th in rebound rate among 47 centers to play at least 500 minutes last season. Low post scoring is very useful but I want my center first and foremost to rebound and protect the rim. Okafor does neither of those things.

Okafor is not a rim protector. Sure, you can't back him down in the post, and thus his DFG% close to the basket, but he's horrid guarding the P&R and he's not coming from the weak side to block your shot. That stat is fool's gold.

While Okafor neither boards nor protects the rim, Alex does both - or should I say, one or the other. He was awful conservative going for blocks this year, preferring instead to clean up the glass. I prefer Alex, straight up.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I hope Bledsoe would net us more than the #6 in this draft. He's too good of a player on a very nice contract.

Not as good as Dunn's will be. With Dunn, we'd control him for 8 years, with the first 4 being rookie-scale. Bled will leave after three. WILL. LEAVE.

[Cactus Jack]

Scouts take

Marquese Chriss, 6'10" freshman forward, Washington: "I saw this coming at the Pac–12 tournament. You're talking about an above-the-rim athlete, prototypical of the NBA. He's a multidimensional guy. They don't make a lot of 6'10" kids with 40–inch verticals. He didn't always play hard, but he's just a baby. He reminds me of [former LSU forward] Tyrus Thomas. He disappears for long stretches. That's his personality. I don't think he knows he should be a star."

Henry Ellenson, 6'11" freshman forward, Marquette: "He's a woeful athlete, but he's a cocky guy. He can play in the low post. Just not real explosive. He shot 28.8% from the college three, but he shot 74.9% from the line, so his stroke's gonna be O.K. I think he's going to be really good. He's an uncommon big because of his ballhandling skills. He's like [retired NBA player] Mehmet Okur, a center who can stretch the floor."

Skal Labissiere, 7-foot freshman forward, Kentucky: "I'm not a fan. I might take him in the late teens because that's where you can take a gamble. I don't think he's tough or physical, and I don't know if he knows how to play. If you watch him work out one-on-nothing, he can blow you away. The problem is when the game starts. He can really shoot. [Cavaliers forward] Channing Frye is going to get him drafted high. You're just seduced by his talent. If there's a team that wants to take a chance on him in the top 10, more power to you."

Domantas Sabonis, 6'10" sophomore forward, Gonzaga: "Highly skilled, fundamentally sound, high basketball IQ. He's going to be really good in screen and rolls. Not the most athletic guy, probably not really an above-the-rim player in an above-the-rim league. Been playing against pros since he was 16. Everything is in that left hand. Hasn't shown yet that he can consistently make a 15-foot jump shot. If he learns that he'll be a borderline starter for a long time. He's an old-school dude. He can really pass. Put him on the floor with four other good players and those guys will love him. He'll be a solid backup. His weakness is his inability to finish inside because of his lack of bounce and length."

Deyonta Davis, 6'11" freshman forward, Michigan State: "Just a piece of clay to mold. Wish he had been a better rebounder at that size. You don't know what you're getting yet. He could be like [retired NBA All-Star] Rasheed Wallace out there blocking shots with a back-to-the-basket game. The game moves too fast for him right now. I worry about his motor. He can really run. He's not a bad shooter; his offense isn't broken. He's got a high ceiling. I think he's a long way away."

Jaylen Brown, 6'7" freshman forward, California: "Biggest mystery in the draft. What does he do? He's an average ballhandler. He's a below average shooter. In AAU and college he played bully ball, but that doesn't translate to the NBA. Little bit of a funky personality. I don't know that anybody really knows what makes that kid tick. His basketball IQ is lacking. Special physical specimen and athlete. The trouble is when you make him go multiple directions. His last month and a half was awful. Makes me really nervous."

Kris Dunn, 6'4" junior guard, Providence: "Love him. Concerned about his shoulder. He didn't go to Chicago and wouldn't submit to a physical. He's had two surgeries, so it's an issue. Special, special athlete. The shooting piece is the obvious weakness, but he can run a team. He'll make some crazy decisions with a tough pass sometimes, but you'd rather rein that in a little bit. He can guard anybody. He could be a star."

Buddy Hield, 6'5" senior guard, Oklahoma: "I'm a huge Buddy Hield fan because of the importance of the three in today's NBA. The question is whether he can create a shot for himself. He's not a terrific ballhandler in more than two dribbles. The other question is, does he make everyone else around him better? Special person, worker, will represent your team well. I think he's J.J. Redick. Limited athlete and size, limited as a ballhandler and passer. Tad small for his position. I don't know that he has that much upside. He'll be somewhere in the top 10."

Jamal Murray, 6'5" freshman guard, Kentucky: "Textbook jumper. The question is whether he can play point guard, which he didn't do at Kentucky. He's a big-time scorer, and he has stepped up at every level, including against grown men in the Pan-Am Games. He's not an unbelievable athlete, and he's not a very good defender right now. He's unbelievably confident, borderline arrogant, which is good. I don't think he's 6'5". He does something that our league loves, which is get buckets."

http://www.campusrush.com/2016-nba-draft-scouting-reports-ben-simmons-brandon-ingram-1872857167.html