Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2

[Qwigglez]

If we get Blake Griffin this is 2004 summer all over again.

Back then we had... Joe Johnson (23 years old), Amare Stoudemire (22 years old), Shawn Marion (26 years old), and Leandro Barbosa (22 years old). We signed a injury prone 30 year old Steve Nash.


We have Booker (20 years old), Bender (19 years old), Chriss (20 years old), Warren (24 years old), Jackson (20 years old), Bledsoe (27 years old). We sign a injury prone 28 year old Blake Griffin.

I am really really liking this idea.

[RaisingArizona]

If we get Blake Griffin this is 2004 summer all over again.

Back then we had... Joe Johnson (23 years old), Amare Stoudemire (22 years old), Shawn Marion (26 years old), and Leandro Barbosa (22 years old). We signed a injury prone 30 year old Steve Nash.


We have Booker (20 years old), Bender (19 years old), Chriss (20 years old), Warren (24 years old), Jackson (20 years old), Bledsoe (27 years old). We sign a injury prone 28 year old Blake Griffin.

I am really really liking this idea.

Quick, someone dig up the posts from summer of 04.

[starbosa10]

so meetings in 2 days?

[BobbieL]

First off - love this idea of Blake Griffin if healthy. Especially if he reached out

Two - I don't mind Millsap but as long as its 3 year deal - maximum

Three - this idea about getting the young guys minutes. To me, earn your damn minutes. The Suns have so much youth on the team - Booker, Bender,Chriss and Josh willjus be hitting their prime when Blake rolls off after 4 years

Kevin Pelton says the Suns are $2m shy after releasing Barbosa (I think) and renouncing Len and Williams. My guess, don't renounce Williams too early but maybe trade TJ Warren; see what market there is for Knight.

If Morey can do what he did in Houston and other team work the c - Ryan McD can find $2m for Blake.

With an S&T - anybody willing to put Bledsoe/Warren to the Clippers to get in done

I think if you sign Blake you need Bledsoe but there might be some veterans on the market you can also get

[bwgood77]

Gambo is saying that Blake's people reached out to us. Not the other way around.

I wonder if he really is thinking of signing with us or if he is using it as leverage to get that max from the Clips. There is talk that they are hesitant to give him max, but you've got to think if they think they will lose him they will offer it. It's not like Steve Ballmer is cheap. He'd really be the face of their franchise.

[matt131]

Gambo is saying that Blake's people reached out to us. Not the other way around.

I wonder if he really is thinking of signing with us or if he is using it as leverage to get that max from the Clips. There is talk that they are hesitant to give him max, but you've got to think if they think they will lose him they will offer it. It's not like Steve Ballmer is cheap. He'd really be the face of their franchise.

Zach Lowe on his podcast today said that Blake Griffin is not one for a dog and pony show. He thinks that Blake will sign quickly without a bunch of hoopla. So I think if he wants to meet with us he has a strong inclination to sign.


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[bwgood77]

If we get Blake Griffin this is 2004 summer all over again.

Back then we had... Joe Johnson (23 years old), Amare Stoudemire (22 years old), Shawn Marion (26 years old), and Leandro Barbosa (22 years old). We signed a injury prone 30 year old Steve Nash.


We have Booker (20 years old), Bender (19 years old), Chriss (20 years old), Warren (24 years old), Jackson (20 years old), Bledsoe (27 years old). We sign a injury prone 28 year old Blake Griffin.

I am really really liking this idea.

Fortunately we didn't trade our draft pick like we did that year and miss out on Iguodala (who, interestingly enough, Jackson is being compared to) and then just like JJ (Joe Johnson) being up for extension and not getting it, the same probably happens with Warren. Lots of parallels there too...in his 2nd year JJ started less than half the games (behind Penny), scoring under 10 points a game, but in his third year, he started, played a lot of minutes, his fg% went up, and he scored 16.7 ppg

[nevetsov]

Easier said than done, but if we could dump Knight and Chandler this would be a no brainer (if the med staff sign off on it).

Bledsoe, Ulis, James
Booker, Barbosa, Reed
Warren, Jackson, Jones JR
Griffin, Bender, Dudley
Len, Chriss, Williams

Millsap and Peters as 2way.

Only scenario I would be willing to give up a pick to dump that salary. I'd seriously call Dallas and offer both Chandler and Knight and pick for Dirk's $25m TO, just to decline it and free up that salary (if that's even possible).

[sunskerr]

Blake would be great to have. If he doesn't sign with us, it's also not so bad considering the prospects/youth we now have on the roster. I'm for signing him though since I think he could get us into the playoffs however there is that factor of him possibly being out until December. If he can get back, then roll out Bledsoe/Book/Warren/Griffin/Chriss with a goal of run run run like back in 2004's offseason.

It would definitely be nice to have this young team in the playoffs and looking at the West I think a healthy Blake Griffin can totally lead us there. Playoff experience is always great for up and coming teams and the earlier they start competing in the playoffs, the better (see: 2010 Thunder).

Also, (I'm assuming) moving from LA to Phoenix isn't as big a hassle as it is going from LA to any other city outside of California. He's close enough to keep his home in LA for the offseason and it's a very short flight with traditionally tons of flights every day which help the convenience of moving between the two cities.

[Fo-Real]

So, what is the feel of the board? Blake on a 4 year contract, or Milsap on a 3 year deal? If either one considers us that is.

[DirtyDez]

The Suns need to drop 8-9 mil to be able to afford his first year cap hit at the max level. Apparently his first year cap hit would be around 30mil.

If Griffin decides to bolt and sign with another team, he would get less money, earning about $130 million over four years.

He would get $30 million in the first year, $31 million in second, $33 million in the third and $34 million in the fourth.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/sports/clippers/la-sp-clippers-griffin-contract-20170623-story,amp.html

[dremill24]

I like the idea of bringing an established, All NBA level talent on the roster for a change. We have a lot of high upside youth (which does not go anywhere if Blake signs as a FA), but the odds say that ALL our young guys will not end up HOFers (crazy theory, I know).

We seem to have potentially compatible frontcourt players with the potential to be guys who protect the rim on defense and stretch the floor on offense, which seems theoretically to be a good fit for Blake's skillset.

Hes a great playmaker and finisher (which we desperately need), and he is a nice outlet for when the offense gets bogged down (which it will).

His health is concerning, but i hope im justified in my belief that the great training staff would do their homework before committing and that they also can help him become more durable.

No, we wouldn't beat the Warriors, but you have to start with some **** talent somewhere.

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Not a big Blake fan. But if he becomes a Sun, I guess I get onboard and hope for him to succeed.

Go Suns.

[BobbieL]

Easier said than done, but if we could dump Knight and Chandler this would be a no brainer (if the med staff sign off on it).

Bledsoe, Ulis, James
Booker, Barbosa, Reed
Warren, Jackson, Jones JR
Griffin, Bender, Dudley
Len, Chriss, Williams

Millsap and Peters as 2way.

Actually, I think I dump Len and keep Chandler. With Blake, you need a big rebounder and probably not as much offense. So I think Chandler/Griffin works better than Len/Griffin. Granted, if that's how you get Blake because you can get Len for lower dollars, that's one thing. But from what I have seen of Len - I would feel better with Chandler

[Puff]

I'm surprised there are people who are against signing Blake Griffin, but in favor of lesser players like Taj Gibson. That line of thinking doesn't make sense to me. If anyone is going to be taking time from our developing players it better be an all-star.

I see Blake as a good fit and think that our training staff can fix him. The Clippers are known to have one of the worst medical staffs in the league after all.

I don't know that many or any are against Blake but want Taj. I won't be disappointed if we sign Blake, but I'd probably rather just stick with the youth movement and let them gradually improve like GS and OKC did and then add a vet when they are on the cusp of the playoffs. The one thing I really do like with Blake is that he is a very willing passer. He is a pretty poor rebounder and doesn't block anything though so we'd suffer rebounding, though I imagine if we sign him we'll start Chandler for that purpose and Chriss would go back to the bench.

I don't know the real facts but remember with the clips he was paired with one of the best rebounders and shot blockers in the league. His job may have been to block out on the boards and force his man to try to score on Jordan.

Also remember that the Warriors went out and acquired Iggy prior to this recent run. He has been huge for him and if they are not able to resign him this off season, it will hurt them.

I would prefer Griffin but either he our Millsap would be very good additions.

[kennydorglas]

It's just too good to be true. I think they're using us as a leverage.
Phoenix Suns doesnt get this type of kindness... at all.

[ray ray]

This is more of a reality than what people think... he's not the same BG from his early 20's but he doesn't have to be that guy. He reminds me so much of Charles Barkley when he came over in a trade

[Moochthemonkey]

If we get Blake Griffin this is 2004 summer all over again.

Back then we had... Joe Johnson (23 years old), Amare Stoudemire (22 years old), Shawn Marion (26 years old), and Leandro Barbosa (22 years old). We signed a injury prone 30 year old Steve Nash.


We have Booker (20 years old), Bender (19 years old), Chriss (20 years old), Warren (24 years old), Jackson (20 years old), Bledsoe (27 years old). We sign a injury prone 28 year old Blake Griffin.

I am really really liking this idea.

one major difference is the PGs heading into the 04/05 season were Leandro Barbosa (more of an SG) and Yuta Tabuse. Now you have Bender/Chriss/Warren/Jackson that should be vying for the forward positions and perhaps Bender/Chriss/Len and/or Williams that will have minutes at the C spot, and that withstands Chandler. If Blake gets 30 minutes a night, is there sufficient room for other players to develop? I know these are younger players, but I do slightly worry about roles clashing and we end up in another Dragic/Bledsoe/Thomas situation.

[thamadkant]

If Griffin signs with the Suns...
you make a move or two to make sure the Suns get a boost to be top 5 out west.


I think one of Chriss or Bender have to be traded.... UNLESS. Chriss or Bender bulks up this off season to play minutes at Center.

Len would have to be let go, I would then sign a backup combo guard not named Barbosa.


Bledsoe have to change his game style.... no isolation crap.... push the ball.. rotate it quick or friggin shoot an open 3.

[nevetsov]

Easier said than done, but if we could dump Knight and Chandler this would be a no brainer (if the med staff sign off on it).

Bledsoe, Ulis, James
Booker, Barbosa, Reed
Warren, Jackson, Jones JR
Griffin, Bender, Dudley
Len, Chriss, Williams

Millsap and Peters as 2way.

Actually, I think I dump Len and keep Chandler. With Blake, you need a big rebounder and probably not as much offense. So I think Chandler/Griffin works better than Len/Griffin. Granted, if that's how you get Blake because you can get Len for lower dollars, that's one thing. But from what I have seen of Len - I would feel better with Chandler

Good point, I'm not fussed with either tbh. I think both would be that Pachulia type starting C that plays maybe 15-20 minutes tops, and then you run Chriss for the rest of the game. If money and minutes are comparable, age then becomes my deal breaker as I don't see Chandler being around by the time we are championship calibre. Len has upside on rebounding and shotblocking IMO, especially if he only has to play 20mpg - foul trouble becomes less of an issue.