Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion #5: A Serving of Irving?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

4. I heard Phoenix would be very interested in dealing for Irving. But the Suns would want to know if Irving will sign an extension to stay in Phoenix. His contract is up in the summer of 2018. I'm told Irving is not about to commit to any team at this point. He has two seasons left on his contract and wants to keep his options open.

5. The Suns would be willing to trade Eric Bledsoe as part of a deal for Irving, even if Irving makes no commitment. But they would not want to include rookie Josh Jackson in that deal, assuming Irving keeps his options open. The Cavs would love shooting guard Devin Booker, but he is as close to untouchable as anyone on the Suns roster.

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2017/08/cleveland_cavaliers_scribbles_64.html

This scares me.
Almost sounds like we might be willing to deal Jackson if we get a commitment from Irving.
It sounds like Irving won't commit to an extension with any team dealing for him and I pray that remains the case. I don't want to deal Jackson and feel like we're going to budge if that's the case.

EDIT: Didn't realize the link was posted already.

There have been days when I have reconsidered my fandom (as if I had any control over it). If we traded Jackson in a Kyrie deal, that would be such a day.

[King4Day]

Perhaps the thinking is, we'll offer more assets (not JJ) if Irving will commit. Otherwise, we'll stand by our supposed offer.

[King4Day]

4. I heard Phoenix would be very interested in dealing for Irving. But the Suns would want to know if Irving will sign an extension to stay in Phoenix. His contract is up in the summer of 2018. I'm told Irving is not about to commit to any team at this point. He has two seasons left on his contract and wants to keep his options open.

5. The Suns would be willing to trade Eric Bledsoe as part of a deal for Irving, even if Irving makes no commitment. But they would not want to include rookie Josh Jackson in that deal, assuming Irving keeps his options open. The Cavs would love shooting guard Devin Booker, but he is as close to untouchable as anyone on the Suns roster.

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2017/08/cleveland_cavaliers_scribbles_64.html

This scares me.
Almost sounds like we might be willing to deal Jackson if we get a commitment from Irving.
It sounds like Irving won't commit to an extension with any team dealing for him and I pray that remains the case. I don't want to deal Jackson and feel like we're going to budge if that's the case.

EDIT: Didn't realize the link was posted already.

There have been days when I have reconsidered my fandom (as if I had any control over it). If we traded Jackson in a Kyrie deal, that would be such a day.

I'd always remain a Suns fan but I commit a lot of emotion into this team. If I feel like we're going in the wrong direction, I'll consider stopping my NBA package. I don't even know why I kept it during the post Amar'e years. It's too expensive.

I'd follow from afar but not devote emotion in a team that I know can't win. Dealing Jackson would be a big mistake. Irving isn't the player that will change our fortunes.

EDIT: Let me clarify. I will follow the team to the end of time, even if they don't win. I meant, I will not religiously follow a team I know is destined for failure because of inept ownership.

[King4Day]

From the same article, I missed this part:

6. The Suns would love to put together a package with Brandon Knight, T.J. Warren and Bledsoe for Irving and some others such as Iman Shumpert or Channing Frye to make it work on the salary cap. That has little appeal to the Cavs. Knight has a torn ACL knee injury and will miss the entire season. So forget him.

7. I still think Phoenix is a likely destination for Irving. The Suns can be tempted at some point to give up Jackson, an athletic small forward who would help the Cavs. He was the No. 4 pick in the draft. But right now, it appears the two teams are just waiting to see if anything else comes up, such as a third-party deal.

14. I hear Denver will not give up Murray and Harris in a deal. The point is Denver has some players who could be attractive to the Cavs. It's possible there could be a three-way deal with Denver and Phoenix.

[BobbieL]

At Sarvers press conference a week or two ago - when he introduced Jones and extended Ryan, he talked about how he has evolved and grown as an owner. Stepping away from Millsap was one decision that might have shown that.

Not including Jackson or the Suns pick will be another way

The Sarver of 2010 probably includes Jackson AND the Suns pick with limited protection

Hopefully this new Sarver doesn't panic and feels like he has to include Jackson and the Suns pick even with limited protection

The deal is what the deal for me: Bledsoe, veteran, young guy, Heat pick, (Toronto 2nd rounder for grins and Cash Relief for Gilbert for Kyrie, Shumpert, Frye, RJ

[BobbieL]

From the same article, I missed this part:

6. The Suns would love to put together a package with Brandon Knight, T.J. Warren and Bledsoe for Irving and some others such as Iman Shumpert or Channing Frye to make it work on the salary cap. That has little appeal to the Cavs. Knight has a torn ACL knee injury and will miss the entire season. So forget him.

7. I still think Phoenix is a likely destination for Irving. The Suns can be tempted at some point to give up Jackson, an athletic small forward who would help the Cavs. He was the No. 4 pick in the draft. But right now, it appears the two teams are just waiting to see if anything else comes up, such as a third-party deal.

14. I hear Denver will not give up Murray and Harris in a deal. The point is Denver has some players who could be attractive to the Cavs. It's possible there could be a three-way deal with Denver and Phoenix.

Knight for Shumpert plus adding Frye and RJ -interesting but it makes sense why Cleveland doesn't want to do it. If Knight were healthy, maybe. One thing, if the Cavs aren't taking back a veteran like Dudley, don't need Shumpert. Frye is easy - he is expiring but would not want to take on Shumpert without moving a like contract in Dudley

Until Denver adds Murray to a deal , possibly Harris - don't see a three way deal working. Suns get Murray, Kyrie to Nuggets, Cavs get Bledsoe, etc.

Don't be tempted to include Jackson. That guy is off the table Suns - stay strong!

[Waylay13]

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/08/02/report-kyrie-irving-not-ready-to-commit-to-any-team-that-trades-for-him/

I still say 95% he bolts. Pass.

You could still re-trade Irving in a year if you don't think you can keep him.

That obviously wouldn't be ideal and you wouldn't recoup the full value of what you gave up, but it does help lessen the risk.

And which stupid team is going to give you anything close to what it cost to bring him here in the first place. how are you going to recover from the lose of 2 young lottery picks and a near all-star that you spent to bring Kyrie here in the first place.

This just lowered his total trade package offers by a good bit. Going to something like Bledsoe and a 2nd rounder is the max.

[Qwigglez]

I wouldn't trade Jackson for Irving because I feel Jackson and Booker will be a good combo. Though if we are able to keep Bender/Jackson and get Irving I am all for it. I feel with that group going forward we can potentially try and emulate the 2016 Warriors (basically Warriors without Durant). I don't think much of Curry being an amazing passer, nor do I believe he has tremendous defense. I see similarities with Irving. I think Kerr made an unbelievable system centered around Curry, and we could possibly do the same kind of offense. We'll see where the defense goes, and I don't think Irving is a lockdown defender but I'd say he is slightly below average for PG's. He does however, possess the capability or he has shown the capability to at least be a competent defender IMO.

I think with Irving stating he wants to keep his options open for the future, this brings his value even lower. At this point, I don't think Jackson, Bender, Chriss, or even Warren will be involved. I could see us trading Reed/Jones Jr and the 2018 Miami pick (along with Bledsoe) for Irving/Shumpert/Frye. I know it was only summer league, but Reed shown a high IQ and great composure for a young guy.

Anyhow I could see a trade happening this Friday or Saturday, whenever rookies are able to be traded, though we won't be trading Jackson.


*edit* - Oh and cross the Wolves off the trade list if Wiggins is extended! Not much the Cavs can do, unless they are going to roll out with Irving to start the season.

[Gorilla Warfare]

Those of you saying Kyrie won't be as good without LeBron is just wrong. That's like saying Amare wouldn't be anything without Nash.....hey wait a minute...

[ray ray]

Update:

The Suns would've traded Bledsoe, Jackson and Miami's first round IF Kyrie Irving would've committed to an extension. However, Kyrie isn't committed to anyone at this moment.

Having said this, the Suns WILL NOT offer Jackson for Irving under any circumstances. That's part of the issue as to why every team is low balling for Irving.

* and by agreing to an extension, they mean giving his word which he isn't.

[Fo-Real]

Those of you saying Kyrie won't be as good without LeBron is just wrong. That's like saying Amare wouldn't be anything without Nash.....hey wait a minute...

Amare's first couple years in NY, HE WAS A **** BEAST!! I don't know how you mean that they wait?

[BobbieL]

Update:

The Suns would've traded Bledsoe, Jackson and Miami's first round IF Kyrie Irving would've committed to an extension. However, Kyrie isn't committed to anyone at this moment.

Having said this, the Suns WILL NOT offer Jackson for Irving under any circumstances. That's part of the issue as to why every team is low balling for Irving.

* and by agreing to an extension, they mean giving his word which he isn't.

Not sure I liked the Suns giving Jackson even with an extension but that would be plausible.

I prefer - whether extension or not, no Jackson. Run with what you got

thanks for update Ray Ray - do you get the feeling it still happens - just no extension but lesser package

[kennydorglas]

I gues we're not getting the #FlatEarthTheory leader.
At least I hope so if JJ is the deal breaker. Stay in the course.

[DirtyDez]

Lol at trying to throw in Knight.

[Qwigglez]

Josh Jackson is trash though, the Cavs are dumb for even wanting him. They could get an Eastern Conference player destroyer in Brandon Knight.

[GeraldsGreenery]

Update:

The Suns would've traded Bledsoe, Jackson and Miami's first round IF Kyrie Irving would've committed to an extension. However, Kyrie isn't committed to anyone at this moment.

Having said this, the Suns WILL NOT offer Jackson for Irving under any circumstances. That's part of the issue as to why every team is low balling for Irving.

* and by agreing to an extension, they mean giving his word which he isn't.

Thanks Kyrie for helping us keep JJ.

[gaspar]

lol at anyone who takes ray ray's posts seriously

[GeraldsGreenery]

lol at anyone who takes ray ray's posts seriously

Ray Ray has good info

[gaspar]

lol at anyone who takes ray ray's posts seriously

Ray Ray has good info

[Fo-Real]

lol at anyone who takes ray ray's posts seriously

Lol at you for feeling like you need to discount anyone else!