Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer?

[TheLogician]

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TBH I think we are/were just as bad (considering the whole Suns Mediocre Era) but we just don't get talked about nearly as much as this one LA offseason because we're not in LA.

Yeah, they're a dumpster fire but will still make the playoffs before us.....that's why we can't even throw it in their face.

[lilfishi22]

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TBH I think we are/were just as bad (considering the whole Suns Mediocre Era) but we just don't get talked about nearly as much as this one LA offseason because we're not in LA.

Yeah, they're a dumpster fire but will still make the playoffs before us.....that's why we can't even throw it in their face.

I have only given **** to my mates who are Laker fans only because if they weren't your usual Laker fan, they would probably know a little more about other franchises outside of LA and would know how much of a shtshow Sarver has been running in Phoenix. For real knowledgeable NBA fans, they would know how much of a dumpster fire the Suns are and have been.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Not surprised about Conley's news, he is too old if James Jones are serious about getting players that are in his prime.

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Is Kemba Walker a combo guard?

Not in the sense that he can guard more than one position or likes playing without the ball.

The interesting thing I take from gambos comments are some form of point book is still going to be a thing.

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[Blonde]

I never expected James Jones to really pursue Conley based on some of the age ranges he’s thrown out over the last few months. I would think Ball is the most likely target, but that also goes against him saying he wants guys in their prime now. Ball also isn’t a combo guard, but he can play multiple positions on defense. I would support bringing him in though because he brings a lot of things that this team lacks (and I still believe in his upside).

Satoransky is a name I expect us to look into. True combo guard with size who can shoot and play defense. He’s restricted this summer but won’t command a ton of money. I just don’t like spending all our money there while we already have Tyler Johnson who is a similar type of player.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I never expected James Jones to really pursue Conley based on some of the age ranges he’s thrown out over the last few months. I would think Ball is the most likely target, but that also goes against him saying he wants guys in their prime now. Ball also isn’t a combo guard, but he can play multiple positions on defense. I would support bringing him in though because he brings a lot of things that this team lacks (and I still believe in his upside).

Satoransky is a name I expect us to look into. True combo guard with size who can shoot and play defense. He’s restricted this summer but won’t command a ton of money. I just don’t like spending all our money there while we already have Tyler Johnson who is a similar type of player.

Yeah satoransky would be a solid pick up, does a lot of little things well. Wonder what kind of contract he'll get this summer? I always have a hard time judging what those fringe starter types get in FA.

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[darealjuice]

I take Gambo's comment on Combo Guards more to mean that they're looking for a player that's both scorer and playmaker than someone that's more of a traditional point guard like Rubio.

[KLEON]

Unless a miraculous trade opportunity comes up, best option is Point Book.

This crap again

[bwgood77]

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TBH I think we are/were just as bad (considering the whole Suns Mediocre Era) but we just don't get talked about nearly as much as this one LA offseason because we're not in LA.

Yeah, they're a dumpster fire but will still make the playoffs before us.....that's why we can't even throw it in their face.

Yeah, we are like the house on fire laughing at that dumpster on fire.

[Slim Charless]

TBH I think we are/were just as bad (considering the whole Suns Mediocre Era) but we just don't get talked about nearly as much as this one LA offseason because we're not in LA.

Yeah, they're a dumpster fire but will still make the playoffs before us.....that's why we can't even throw it in their face.

I have only given **** to my mates who are Laker fans only because if they weren't your usual Laker fan, they would probably know a little more about other franchises outside of LA and would know how much of a shtshow Sarver has been running in Phoenix. For real knowledgeable NBA fans, they would know how much of a dumpster fire the Suns are and have been.

That GIF perfectly sums up my opinion of this team the last couple of years but hopefully those days are gone forever. If Sarver just stays out of things I think Monty and Jones can build something here. If the Lakers are as dysfunctional as they seem maybe we can take advantage of the buffoonery over there and steal Lonzo from them. I don't know if they do that unless the end results nets them AD though...

[lilfishi22]

I never expected James Jones to really pursue Conley based on some of the age ranges he’s thrown out over the last few months. I would think Ball is the most likely target, but that also goes against him saying he wants guys in their prime now. Ball also isn’t a combo guard, but he can play multiple positions on defense. I would support bringing him in though because he brings a lot of things that this team lacks (and I still believe in his upside).

Satoransky is a name I expect us to look into. True combo guard with size who can shoot and play defense. He’s restricted this summer but won’t command a ton of money. I just don’t like spending all our money there while we already have Tyler Johnson who is a similar type of player.

He's really limiting himself if the PG can't be too old (Conley turns 32 start of next season) and can't be too young (Ball is still only 21). I think it would be hard to find value in those in-their-prime players. As you mentioned, in a way, Tyler Johnson is kind of that guy. He's not exactly starting caliber (probably would start for less than 10 teams in the league) but he's not like a 3rd man off the bench type of player either. Johnson isn't ideal but we have him, he's an expiring deal (could be a trade chip at the deadline), doesn't turn 28 til March and he's kinda productive.....

[lilfishi22]

Unless a miraculous trade opportunity comes up, best option is Point Book.

This crap again

I've said it many times in the past but I'm not a fan of Point Book as a system. He's just not a Harden level player, as much as I wish he was. So to continue to try and run a Point Book system is going to be an exercise in disappointment. Stop being so lazy and get a *real* PG

[DirtyDez]

Give Smart and 14 over Ball. If Lonzo would ever adapt the Ben Simmons’ approach you could live with it but his shot selection is putrid and he’s not changing that slingshot form.

[Qwigglez]

I could see an Anthony Davis trade to Boston happening, it's just pending until free agency. The Pelicans could trade Jrue Holiday to the Suns for the 6th pick to pair Zion with Garland or White. We'd probably have to trade Tyler Johnson, Josh Jackson, the Bucks pick, and a heavily protected future 1st. Reason I say that is because I could also see the Lakers potentially giving up the 4th pick to land Jrue so we'd have to beat that offer. Everyone keeps saying Jrue doesn't want to be a PG, well there we go, Book and him are both combo guards.

[bwgood77]

I never expected James Jones to really pursue Conley based on some of the age ranges he’s thrown out over the last few months. I would think Ball is the most likely target, but that also goes against him saying he wants guys in their prime now. Ball also isn’t a combo guard, but he can play multiple positions on defense. I would support bringing him in though because he brings a lot of things that this team lacks (and I still believe in his upside).

Satoransky is a name I expect us to look into. True combo guard with size who can shoot and play defense. He’s restricted this summer but won’t command a ton of money. I just don’t like spending all our money there while we already have Tyler Johnson who is a similar type of player.

He's really limiting himself if the PG can't be too old (Conley turns 32 start of next season) and can't be too young (Ball is still only 21). I think it would be hard to find value in those in-their-prime players. As you mentioned, in a way, Tyler Johnson is kind of that guy. He's not exactly starting caliber (probably would start for less than 10 teams in the league) but he's not like a 3rd man off the bench type of player either. Johnson isn't ideal but we have him, he's an expiring deal (could be a trade chip at the deadline), doesn't turn 28 til March and he's kinda productive.....

I like Tyler pretty well...I really think he changed the heart of our team when he came...people seem to credit Oubre but Booker was still talking about how it's the worst it's ever been well after Oubre came but when Tyler came it seems he told them things they needed to hear.

The only problem was he needs to shoot better. He was terrible shooting with us, and even his career averages are not great, but if he could get back to those it would be fine. I know people always downplay an add like Collison but I don't think people understand how much easier it would make things for Booker if he had a guy like Collison next to him as a threat shooting. It's no surprise Oladipo flourished with a smart PG who shot well next to him.

In theory that's why Garland would be good, but of course he is nowhere ready to play meaningful NBA minutes. I mean he's only played like 4 games at a higher level than high school ball, so it would take a long while for him to be ready to play much....our other PGs are probably more ready for minutes but they probably are not the answer either.

[bigfoot]

Suppose this scenario unfolds ... James Jones is unable to make any trades (players or draft picks) this summer, doesn't want to stretch Tyler Johnson, and signs Oubre. Basically we are left with the $9.2M mid-level exception to find a free agent point guard to compete with Johnson for minutes. Who is realistically available for the MLE?

Rubio
McConnell
Satoransky
Joesph
Payton
Beverly
Collison
Lin
Rozier
Rose
Ish Smith
Thomas

[lilfishi22]

I think the only players that is very likely going to be in the 8 figures is Rubio and Rozier. Everyone else might be had for the MLE

[bwgood77]

Suppose this scenario unfolds ... James Jones is unable to make any trades (players or draft picks) this summer, doesn't want to stretch Tyler Johnson, and signs Oubre. Basically we are left with the $9.2M mid-level exception to find a free agent point guard to compete with Johnson for minutes. Who is realistically available for the MLE?

Rubio
McConnell
Satoransky
Joesph
Payton
Beverly
Collison
Lin
Rozier
Rose
Ish Smith
Thomas

If all of those are available, I'd look at Satoransky, Beverley and Collison...not sure about the order...maybe that order if we felt Satoransky could be a real solid contributor long term...otherwise I probably put Beverley first if health checks out. The rest I'd rather pass, though some are certainly far better options than others.

[TheLogician]

I don't think Rubio, Beverley, Collison, or Rose want to play here. Ish, IT, and Payton don't want to come back either. I'd choose Satoransky over McConnell, Joseph, or Lin.

[Qwigglez]

I don't think Rubio, Beverley, Collison, or Rose want to play here. Ish, IT, and Payton don't want to come back either. I'd choose Satoransky over McConnell, Joseph, or Lin.

I think beggars can't be choosers, and someone is going to want that $$$$ and sign here. Whoever is offering the most.

[bwgood77]

I don't think Rubio, Beverley, Collison, or Rose want to play here. Ish, IT, and Payton don't want to come back either. I'd choose Satoransky over McConnell, Joseph, or Lin.

I think beggars can't be choosers, and someone is going to want that $$$$ and sign here. Whoever is offering the most.

I do agree that Beverley and Collison wouldn't want to play here. That is why I didn't think Conley is a good option, though I thought he would be if he did want to play here, or really liked him as a possibility a year ago, but you don't want that contract if he doesn't want it.

But obviously with Beverley and Collison, we only would be able to sign them if they didn't have better options, and I think both are the type that would more likely embrace where they were and try to prove how they could make a difference with the team. But they could also take the money and be like Ariza....Collison played under Monty before and Beverley always seems to be gung ho wherever so I have less concern.

But that's the problem with finding a PG. A guy like Brogdon who would be a top choice for me playing for the championship likely this year wouldn't be particularly happy or most others who have had success, so it's tough.

That's one really good thing about Tyler Johnson. He is not ideal, but he will play hard. It will be tough to find a guy who is a good fit and would be happy. That's why I listed that I wouldn't be sure of order of preference...it would depend. Also why I mentioned earlier it would be most ideal to find that under the radar guy like Dinwiddie was when Brooklyn got him. Not sure who that is.