Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs

Zelaznyrules · Post #1041 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:38 pm

Frank Lee wrote:Bullock can shoot. Archie can't. end of story

May be one day the D league wont look like pick up games at the Y. EarlB with 30/23.... sheesh. Those are about his career totals here.

Yeah just think what Bo Outlaw could do there.

MathiasPW · Post #1042 » by **MathiasPW** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:41 pm

sunsfever68 wrote:Are you guys in the camp that we need another star to come in the form of a big man (aka replace Markieff upgrade him say a Greg Monroe type)

Or are you guys thinking we could trade for a Ryan Anderson type to compliment Kieff stretch the floor knock down shots increase the spacing for our guards to penetrate and have space for Len to work as well.

I think it's an interesting decision for the Suns front office to make.

I like Markieff I like his tenacity he needs to stop with the technicals but I like his production at his salary.

I think a big man rotation of Markieff Len and Wright is solid we just need a backup power forward, say a Ryan Anderson to fill out the rotation.

I think salary wise getting Monroe would cost us big money probably 6-7M a year more than Markieff and I'm not sold he'll produce and add that much more value.

I like the idea of giving Goran that money and trading away IT, Green, and Marcus Morris and possibly a draft pick to get an impact player.

See if New Orleans would pull the trigger on It, Green, Marcus Morris for Anderson. Throw in a 2nd round pick to make it work.

The Pistons only started playing well when they got rid of their logjam at the paint when J Smith or Monroe were always in as a PF, and switched to Monroe and Drummond backing each other up at C, with the rest of the team being able to knock down long range shots (4-0ut). If you bring Monroe to Phoenix to play as a PF with Len as C, you have to change our whole offense to playmaking guards that are awesome shooters (Memphis-style)...which we kinda don't have. Monroe and Len alternating as Centers would be good, but we already have Wright which is a much better deal than Monroe (production vs cost).

Monroe here is not a good fit.

I like Ryan Anderson as PF, although not so sure it is a major upgrade over Kieff, and Teletovic as C with Wright as PF or Teletovic as PF with Len at C for floor spacing.

kennydorglas · Post #1043 » by **kennydorglas** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:04 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/tomhaberstroh/status/556134396642619392[/tweet]

RunDogGun · Post #1044 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:12 pm

Zelaznyrules wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:Bullock can shoot. Archie can't. end of story

May be one day the D league wont look like pick up games at the Y. EarlB with 30/23.... sheesh. Those are about his career totals here.

Yeah just think what Bo Outlaw could do there.

I miss Bo. I liked watching Lou Admunson in the London game. Dude just puts on the hard hat and goes to work.

jcsunsfan · Post #1045 » by **jcsunsfan** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:20 pm

kennydorglas wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/tomhaberstroh/status/556134396642619392[/tweet]

If he is traded, it will likely be with no guarantees for resigning. If I am Love, I am going to be a free agent and determine my own destiny. I make commitments to no one. Whoever gets him, only gets him as a rental.

Kevin Love looking like fools gold at the moment, or maybe its LeBron (or Kyrie). This is what you get when you do not have two-way players.

sunsfever68 · Post #1046 » by **sunsfever68** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:28 pm

Frank Lee wrote:Bullock can shoot. Archie can't. end of story

May be one day the D league wont look like pick up games at the Y. EarlB with 30/23.... sheesh. Those are about his career totals here.

What you said.

The D league is a joke anyone can put up big numbers there.

But like you said Archie and Reggie have different skill sets both of which can add value and contribute to this club if we fit and pieces to the jigsaw puzzle the right way

RunDogGun · Post #1047 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:28 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Yeah he wasn't ready, he was injured, the game was too fast for him. The point I was making was exactly what SF88 said.

I have no idea what SF said, I was just saying it had nothing to do with any treatment. Len wasn't ready, and he worked his butt off to become ready. I don't think anyone can judge the other youngsters by Len's situation (which might not have anything to do with what you said).

Sunsdeuce · Post #1048 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:33 pm

Cleveland is the worst possible fit for love and his skill set. Cleveland offense consists of lebrons ISOs with sprinkled in Irving. Lebron destroys teammates numbers and their games. Its been proven.

Love would be well suited for PHX offense.
Cleveland would benefit as well as Kevin love would benefit trading to the Suns.

IT, green, plumlee, and a first. Something to that degree for Kevin love.

I'm telling you love would flourish in the Suns offense (as long as bledsoe isn't ball hogging).

jcsunsfan · Post #1049 » by **jcsunsfan** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:35 pm

Just as speculation, not advocating. Just looking at what works under the cap rules:

Mook, Kieff, IT for Love
Plumlee, IT, Green, and a pick for Love
Dragic and Green for Love (all potential expirings)
Bledsoe for Love

Lots of options to make a deal if the Suns want to do so. Not sure they do. Love and LeBron sure don't seem to be a match.

RunDogGun · Post #1050 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:41 pm

Without guarantees, I dont see the point in giving up much for Love.

sunsfever68 · Post #1051 » by **sunsfever68** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:42 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:Cleveland is the worst possible fit for love and his skill set. Cleveland offense consists of lebrons ISOs with sprinkled in Irving. Lebron destroys teammates numbers and their games. Its been proven.

Love would be well suited for PHX offense.
Cleveland would benefit as well as Kevin love would benefit trading to the Suns.

IT, green, plumlee, and a first. Something to that degree for Kevin love.

I'm telling you love would flourish in the Suns offense (as long as bledsoe isn't ball hogging).

If you can work that trade and resign Love and Dragic to reasonable deals 10-12M a year per guy then yes.

Love would do better in PHX but the guy plays no defense which bothers me he's tissue paper soft

sunsfever68 · Post #1052 » by **sunsfever68** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:43 pm

RunDogGun wrote:Without guarantees, I dont see the point in giving up much for Love.

This.

Giving up role players for a half year rental who won't win us a championship and will walk on us doesn't make much sense.

I'd rather get Ryan Anderson and trade IT, Green, Plumlee, and a 2nd round pick.

gaspar · Post #1053 » by **gaspar** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:44 pm

Haberstroh's proposal is Bledsoe + Len for Love...

letsgosuns · Post #1054 » by **letsgosuns** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:47 pm

gaspar wrote:Haberstroh's proposal is Bledsoe + Len for Love...

Are you serious? Then he has no business being a sports writer. What a fool.

RunDogGun · Post #1055 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:47 pm

gaspar wrote:Haberstroh's proposal is Bledsoe + Len for Love...

jcsunsfan · Post #1056 » by **jcsunsfan** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:49 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:Cleveland is the worst possible fit for love and his skill set. Cleveland offense consists of lebrons ISOs with sprinkled in Irving. Lebron destroys teammates numbers and their games. Its been proven.

Love would be well suited for PHX offense.
Cleveland would benefit as well as Kevin love would benefit trading to the Suns.

IT, green, plumlee, and a first. Something to that degree for Kevin love.

I'm telling you love would flourish in the Suns offense (as long as bledsoe isn't ball hogging).

This is true. Love, with a defensive C in Len and a defensive sf in PJ playing along side him could hide his defensive limitations. He stretches the floor for Goran and Bledsoe and adds rebounding which we lack.

But you don't give up much if he walks this summer. You just wait to sign him then. This is sounding like Gasol situation all over again.

jcsunsfan · Post #1057 » by **jcsunsfan** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:53 pm

letsgosuns wrote:
gaspar wrote:Haberstroh's proposal is Bledsoe + Len for Love...

Are you serious? Then he has no business being a sports writer. What a fool.

How about Dragic and Plumlee. Dragic, Dragic, Plumlee, and Goodwin works. I would only do this if Love commits.

Bledsoe, Love, and Len has real potential for a "big three" with a nice combination of offense, shooting, rebounding and defense.

Plus, you still have the Morris Brothers, Green, IT, etc off the bench. Maybe we could trade Green for Stauskas. Starting 2 position would be up for grabs.

Post #1058 » by **Qwigglez** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:59 pm

Spoiler:

Just after watching Love play no defense against us really makes me NOT want to go after him. Is he just not focusing, or has he always been this way? I agree he would be a good fit for our system offensively, but I can't imagine going against the Spurs or the Grizzlies and beating them in a seven game series with Love.

I would do any trade that doesn't involve sending out Bledsoe/Len/Dragic/Wright/Warren and the Lakers pick for a rental of Love (without taking on additional salary too).

letsgosuns · Post #1059 » by **letsgosuns** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:02 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:
gaspar wrote:Haberstroh's proposal is Bledsoe + Len for Love...

Are you serious? Then he has no business being a sports writer. What a fool.

How about Dragic and Plumlee.

I am not sure I would want Love under any circumstances. I have watched him this year and thought he has looked awful. His defense is so bad. So bad. Guys can virtually score on him whenever they want. He is not a post scorer and is not athletic at all. It seems like he can barely get off the ground to dunk the ball. At this point, I think Markieff has a much larger array of moves than Love. The fact that he cannot play with Lebron is a huge red flag to me. Lebron is so good and makes things easy for his teammates. Lebron needs athletes around him and Love is not that kind of player.

sunsfever68 · Post #1060 » by **sunsfever68** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:03 pm

You take Love if he's the Love before the Cleveland trade where he's putting up double doubles and getting boards.

I'd give them Isaiah thomas Gerald Green Miles Plumlee Marcus Morris and a 1st round pick.

We get rid of a glut of depth and unload some players we don't need and we get a good piece to go next to Dragic Bledsoe Markieff and Len