Draft Thread: Who do you want with the 13th pick? Stanley Johnson and WCS added..change votes if you want

[drewsprocket]

I accidently posted this in FA thread.
Is there a player in the 4-10 pick range that an offer of Warren and 13th pick that makes sense?

[bwgood77]

I accidently posted this in FA thread.
Is there a player in the 4-10 pick range that an offer of Warren and 13th pick that makes sense?

You can delete a post. But no way in my opinion. At the same time, I don't think the other team would make the trade either. We know what Warren can do. Maybe a team later in your range would consider it, but there isn't enough of a difference in prospects at that point to make it near worth it. We can easily likely get a player at 13 that could be as good as someone in that range and Warren is a sure thing as a solid player...not a bust.

[ATTL]

Turner or Looney. Both have good size, length, and agility. Turner can play both big positions and hit a jumper.
Looney has a good perimeter game for a freshman and has wide shoulders to pack on more mass. Though it's a known fact when you tack on mass you sacrifice flexibility.

[AtheJ415]

I think BPA is the way to go... unless that player is a point guard.

I just don't know. If McD is going to stick with what he said, if the BPA is a pg, I could see him doing it. But if that happens, I could see him trying to make a bigger trade that makes us better in the front court.

But looking at mocks, I think the BPA will be a front court player.

We actually do need a PG. Bledsoe and Knight will definitely get most of our PG minutes, but particularly with them both starting, you need a 3rd guy who can comfortably see time if one goes down and at least 10-15 minutes a night if both are healthy. Last year we had an issue because we ran 4 deep between Bledsoe, Goran, Thomas, and Ennis. Only 3 played of those 4 because you can't play 4. You can definitely play 3, particularly if that 3rd is a rookie who hasn't proven himself. Part of the problem we had last year is that we had 3 guys who were proven very good NBA players and who demanded minutes, and all of whom had proven capable starters. Nobody wanted to come off the bench, and everybody wanted the ball. That same issue isn't a problem next year if our 3rd PG is a rookie.

If you are really running a 2 PG system, you have to have a 3rd guy capable of playing PG. We can solve that through free agency by signing a capable role player, but if the BPA happens to be a PG, I don't think you pass due to position. That is, unless Goodwin is truly a future PG, in which case you don't draft a 4th PG.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I think McDonough will go with Bobby Portis.

I'd go Christian Wood or Rondae Hollis-Jefferson.

[AtheJ415]

If the front office truly believed that Mudiay is a star (assuming top 3 go as expected--Towns, Okafor, Russell), and was ready to move on from Bledsoe, then I think we shouldn't have to offer more than that for 4. Bledsoe's deal is a bit high now, but is going to be at or below value with the new cap and he's locked into that. Most 4th picks don't become better than Bledsoe. I'd consider doing it for Bledsoe straight up or Bledsoe and a garbage role player, but not Bledsoe and a lottery pick.

[Qwigglez]

Had Warren stayed another year and entered this year's draft where would he be on the board? Or would him being another year older drop his stock? Would he be top 5-7?

[Saberestar]

I voted for Cauley-Stein, Cameron Payne and Kaminsky.
I think that WCS will not be an option at #13, Pacers would grab him if he is there at #11.

[Ryu]

I think BPA is the way to go... unless that player is a point guard.

I just don't know. If McD is going to stick with what he said, if the BPA is a pg, I could see him doing it. But if that happens, I could see him trying to make a bigger trade that makes us better in the front court.

But looking at mocks, I think the BPA will be a front court player.

We actually do need a PG. Bledsoe and Knight will definitely get most of our PG minutes, but particularly with them both starting, you need a 3rd guy who can comfortably see time if one goes down and at least 10-15 minutes a night if both are healthy. Last year we had an issue because we ran 4 deep between Bledsoe, Goran, Thomas, and Ennis. Only 3 played of those 4 because you can't play 4. You can definitely play 3, particularly if that 3rd is a rookie who hasn't proven himself. Part of the problem we had last year is that we had 3 guys who were proven very good NBA players and who demanded minutes, and all of whom had proven capable starters. Nobody wanted to come off the bench, and everybody wanted the ball. That same issue isn't a problem next year if our 3rd PG is a rookie.

If you are really running a 2 PG system, you have to have a 3rd guy capable of playing PG. We can solve that through free agency by signing a capable role player, but if the BPA happens to be a PG, I don't think you pass due to position. That is, unless Goodwin is truly a future PG, in which case you don't draft a 4th PG.

We need a quality bigman much much more than a backup PG. On top of that, PF/C prospects in that 13th range are better than PG ones, imho.

Of course, we need a (current or future) star the most. Trade for Winslow or Russell if possible.

[Ryu]

Turner, Kaminsky or Looney, in that order.

[Bogyo]

I accidently posted this in FA thread.
Is there a player in the 4-10 pick range that an offer of Warren and 13th pick that makes sense?

I think Winslow would make sense. I like Warren, but I like Winslow a lot more to be honest. If we could get him with the Orlando or the Sacramento pick (maybe a second rounder coming back our way? or even without that), I d do it. I think he is a multiple time all star on the waiting, and really matured in one year at Duke. If he gets some shooting lessons from Hornacek, he will be your prototype NBA wing for many years to come.

[Saberestar]

I accidently posted this in FA thread.
Is there a player in the 4-10 pick range that an offer of Warren and 13th pick that makes sense?

No way, Warren is gonna be a great player. Warren and Len are my near untouchable players on our roster.

[drewsprocket]

I think looking back and you were to redo the 2014 draft its still a crapshoot and Warren still would fall anywhere between the 5-10 slot.
Warren is sure to be a scorer. I don't think he's sure to be a starter but it's likely. We're hopeful he becomes a star. He needs more time this year for sure. I think he needs at least 25 mpg just to see.

[Ghost of Kleine]

The beauty of taking winslow, is that he is more than talented and versatile enough to play at the 2 spot. Giving us incredible mismatches on the wing.

Now of course it is imperative that we secure an explosive and talented big. But I'll tell you now that on the right kind of team (suns) in a fast paced open offense, he can absolutely dominate.

His comparison is james harden and jerry stackhouse. That's one hell of an impressive ceiling.

My greatest hope though would be to grab him early, then secure either turner or kaminsky at #13. Having a floor spacing big man, that can open the floor up really allows winslow to explode to the hoop ala' harden, and tear the opposing team apart.

Question is .....what are the best possible trades that we can engineer to get the 4th pick, and still keep the #13?


Now assuming we go with a big first wether okafor falls to us or porzingas is our selection, I would then absolutely use the #13 to grab r.j. hunter, or booker
.

Of the two, my first choice would absolutely be hunter, as upon watching alot of tape, I see that his shooting mechanics are just so smooth and effortless for him. Also, his mobility is incredible.

I would honestly give him a comparison of curry/ reggie miller.

Now to complete my plan, I would use our 2nd round pick to select dakari johnson. He's 7'0 261lbs. Very mobile, strong as a bull in the paint, and his game is actually quite similar to zach randolph.

This way, the starting lineup can run the other team to the point of exhaustion, and then we can have dakari johnson and the 2nd unit break them down with his brute strength in the paint. Essentially best of both worlds....a fast paced punch by the starters, then slower paced yet bruising half court 2nd unit.

[Ryu]

The beauty of taking winslow, is that he is more than talented and versatile enough to play at the 2 spot. Giving us incredible mismatches on the wing.

There is a chance Winslow is available at 6th, if Knicks go PG and pick Mudiay and Orlando take Porzingis since they have Oladipo and Gordon at 2 and 3. We can then trade Bledsoe straight away to the Kings for the 6th pick + filler and take Winslow and Kaminsky/Turner/Looney.

Lineup Knight/Winslow/Warren/Kaminsky/Len would be one hell of a matchup for opposite teams.

[Damkac]

Myles Turner, Kevin Looney and RONDAE HOLLIS-JEFFERSON!

I realized I had Cameron Payne in there twice, so I added WCS.....thought about Rondae but left him out. There is a thread on the draft forum asking "Who is the Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard, Draymond Green who gets drafted 15th or lower this year?"

I said RHJ if he can learn to shoot.

If Suns would draft Leonard, Green or Butler they would rot on the bench. Because Suns need to play veterans to get into playoffs

[MrMiyagi]

Myles Turner, Kevin Looney and RONDAE HOLLIS-JEFFERSON!

I realized I had Cameron Payne in there twice, so I added WCS.....thought about Rondae but left him out. There is a thread on the draft forum asking "Who is the Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard, Draymond Green who gets drafted 15th or lower this year?"

I said RHJ if he can learn to shoot.

If Suns would draft Leonard, Green or Butler they would rot on the bench. Because Suns need to play veterans to get into playoffs

Green and Butler were 22 entering the league and played only slightly more minutes than them in their rookie seasons. Archie is just turning 21 and TJ will be 22 this season. Both of those guys didn't really become impact players until year 3. Calm the f*ck down about not throwing late round rookies into the fire.

[thamadkant]

I think there are 4 players in this draft that will be all-stars/borderline all stars in a few years.

Russell
Winslow
Okafor
Mudiay

Towns will be a defensive monster but may not hav enough offense to be a star.

Okafor is huge, and will be a Cousins/Jefferson type. Basically a player we suns fans will wish to be on the Suns team in the future.

Winslow and Russell are going to be at worst impact players. Too smart, understands the game, talented etc.

Mudiay reminds me of Bledsoe, Holiday etc. 17 ppg and 8 apg is very likely

Players we Suns would wish to be on the Suns team and willin to pay 15+ million a year.

Well why not try to get them now? On rookie deals, and as foundations on a team.

Some will say Bledsoe, Morris twins, Tucker are too much for pick 4.

But suns also saves 32 million on cap space and a chance to wipe the slate clean with a proper young team to build around.

knight, Len, Warren, Goodwin, pick 4, pick 13, Bogdanovic... With humangous salary cap space is a great way to enter the 2016-2017 season.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Absolutely! I know alot has been mentioned of the kings preferring Ty lawson due to his connection with coach karl, However, I really think that the kings ownership is fully aware of the bond of friendship between bledsoe and their franchise center, as well as the dynamic ability of Bledsoe in comparison to lawson.

He's just got far more potential.

With that being said, I would like to revisit the Sacramento trade I proposed earlier.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mvru73m .




As we know, they need a dynamic floor general (Bledsoe). They also aren't happy with their production at power forward either.

They are however moderately loaded with talent at the wing. So my fair proposal would be this trade:

Phoenix sends out: Bledsoe, markieff and marcus (bad contract) and a future 2nd round pick to sacramento.

Sacramento sends phoenix: stauskus, carl landry, derrick williams, darren collison and most importantly, the 6th pick.

I did this trade for these specific reasons, first for the 6th pick. Next, we get to dump the morri' now let me say that I don't dislike markieff, it's just time for a change!

But more importantly, it lands us players of need at multiple positions.

We get stauskus, who will fill our need as a sharpshooter, darren collison, who is a very talented and productive backup point guard.

Derrick williams for his athleticism and arizona ties to draw fan interest. And finally carl landry, who has been a very reliable and productive power forward.

Any potential logjams, can be addressed through midseason trades as soon as we see how the new roster gels.

[bwgood77]

I think there are 4 players in this draft that will be all-stars/borderline all stars in a few years.

Russell
Winslow
Okafor
Mudiay

Towns will be a defensive monster but may not hav enough offense to be a star.

Okafor is huge, and will be a Cousins/Jefferson type. Basically a player we suns fans will wish to be on the Suns team in the future.

Winslow and Russell are going to be at worst impact players. Too smart, understands the game, talented etc.

Mudiay reminds me of Bledsoe, Holiday etc. 17 ppg and 8 apg is very likely

Players we Suns would wish to be on the Suns team and willin to pay 15+ million a year.

Well why not try to get them now? On rookie deals, and as foundations on a team.

Some will say Bledsoe, Morris twins, Tucker are too much for pick 4.

But suns also saves 32 million on cap space and a chance to wipe the slate clean with a proper young team to build around.

knight, Len, Warren, Goodwin, pick 4, pick 13, Bogdanovic... With humangous salary cap space is a great way to enter the 2016-2017 season.

So you want to trade "Bledsoe, Morris twins, Tucker" for pick 4 to get Mudiay who "reminds me of Bledsoe, Holiday etc. 17 ppg and 8 apg is very likely...Players we Suns would wish to be on the Suns team and willin to pay 15+ million a year."?

Did I get that right?