The Trade/Free Agency Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 2

[JMac1]

I don't think we can get Okafor if Dunn is picked at three via a boston deal. Just doesn't add up as Philly has expressed specific interest in a PG. Would be surprised if we can work out something with Knight and not exactly willing to shell out Bled...have to think on that.

That would leave us Bender then.

[nevetsov]

I know it's heresy to even entertain trading Booker, but... Would anyone consider Booker, Len, and Tucker for Butler?

Could follow it up with the 4 for Okafor:

Bledsoe, #13 (Baldwin?)
Knight, Bogdanovic
Butler, Warren
Leuer, Teletovic
Okafor, Chandler

I probably wouldn't, would probably try to push Knight and Goodwin instead of Dbook. Given Noah and Gasol are as good as gone, they may value Len more than most.

[DirtyDez]

Why is Russ such a weirdo?

[letsgosuns]

Idk why anyone would consider trading Booker. I really do not. He is 19 and just made first team all-rookie and did it during a very good year of rookie play. It is not like he made it by default of a poor rookie class. The 2015 rookie class is considered really good. He is the best Suns rookie since Amare. Dwayne Wade complimented him saying how good he thinks Booker will be. The last time a prominent player said something like that about a Suns rookie that I remember was when Kobe said in 2003 how Amare should be rookie of the year and it is not even close. I look at Booker now in the same vein that I looked at Amare in 2003. The most exciting, young Suns player in a long time who has a chance for greatness and to be part of a special Suns team. No interest in trading him.

[thamadkant]

Booker, Pick 4, Pick 13, Len for Anthony Davis

[sunsfever68]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZihwmQ3PaC8

Okafor is an absolute beast in the post. Him and Len together would be great for years to come Okafor at the 4 and Len at the 5.

I don't care if he's not an up tempo guy screw the run and gun you don't see the NBA finals having run and gun.

A young core of Bledsoe Booker Okafor and Len gives some hope.


Trade the number 4 pick for him let's make it happen guy has post moves for days.

[sunsfever68]

Okafor has some of the best post moves I've seen in a long long time. That is an elite offensive skill set that's a future 20/10 player right there. Get the right coaching right mentors this kid is going to be an absolute monster. I want him on the Suns next to Len and with Booker

[lilfishi22]

Booker, Pick 4, Pick 13, Len for Anthony Davis

That's blasphemous around these parts

[thamadkant]

Booker, Pick 4, Pick 13, Len for Anthony Davis

That's blasphemous around these parts

I think a team of

C: Chandler
PF: Davis
SF: Tucker
SG: Knight (shop around though)
PG: Bledsoe
SF: Warren
PG/SG: Goodwin
SG/SF: Bogdanovic
PF/C: Qi or Maker
PG/SG: Jenkins
PG: FA
C: FA
PF: FA

I think that team looks OK, a better version of the Pelicans basically.... although I would shop Knight around to bring in a 3D SG.
Davis and Chandler front court would be the best defensive team or atleast up there. Tucker will provide additional toughness and defense to prevent penetration... which Pelicans dont have.

Warren as 6th man of the year candidate... Goodwin and Bogdanovic to round off the bench, whilst Qi or Maker are developing... sign some veteran FAs to bring veteran help.

[Damkac]

Is Butler really that much more valuable than Bledsoe? Thair stats looks VERY similar. Yet everyone think Butler is worth 3rd/4th pick and loads of additional picks and young players. Meanhile many people wouldn't trade any top 10 pick for Bledsoe.
Of course SF is more valuable than PG. Bledsoe's injuries scares people but Butler isn't much healthier. Last 3 seasons he played 67, 65 and 67 games. They are the same age. Bledsoe is also cheaper.

Looking at Butler's trade proposals I would say Bledsoe is worth 3rd pick at least.
Imo if Bledsoe played in the east and Butler played in the west people's view on them would be totally different.

[Kerrsed]

Is Butler really that much more valuable than Bledsoe?

Yes he is.

Sure, you can look at the stats and say they are similar, but only one is a true all-star.

Bledsoe is a 6'1" PG that can defend most PG's ok.

Butler is a 6'7" SG/SF that can guard PG's, SG's and SF's. And when i say "can guard", i mean really really defend. He is one of the best defenders in the game. A true 2-way player. He averages 1 less assist than Bledsoe, yet he doesnt have the ball in his hands nearly as much as Bledsoe, because he is not playing PG. Thats called great Basketball IQ and being a great passer.

Also add in that the SG/SF market isnt nearly as saturated as PG in the league today and Bledsoes injury history (Not just games missed but the extent of the injuries).

So yes, Butler really is that much more valuable than Bledsoe.

[thamadkant]

Bledsoe has to exert himself to much to be "good", maybe thats why he gets injured a lot... he exerts so much energy and strains his body to be a good player... he relies highly on effort and his athleticism to make up for his lack of talent and skills.... I mean, Bledsoe is darn talented... but if he was an average athlete, he wouldnt be a starter in the NBA.... Kyle Lowry is more talented and more skilled than Bledsoe, but lacks Bledsoe's athleticism.

Butler in the other hand... is as athletic as Bledsoe... but he also seems to have a higher IQ in offense and defense, watching Bulls games... he has good anticipation... rarely exerts himself but yet effective... and when he does exert himself, he is elite.


Its simply the difference in their sizes... Bledsoe is 6'1 with nice wingspan, but he isnt in the top 10 PGs in ball handling, nor top 20 in shooting.... his skills are "meh", but the combination of all of those traits and the amount of effort he puts in, makes him a good player. But thats why I think he has a shorter prime than other PGs... like Rose.... the moment his explosiveness declined from elite to just "good", he has regressed a lot... he is 6'3... so he has nice PG size.. but had he been 6'0 or 6'1, I think he would be much worse.

[Damkac]

Is Butler really that much more valuable than Bledsoe?

Yes he is.

Sure, you can look at the stats and say they are similar, but only one is a true all-star.

Bledsoe is a 6'1" PG that can defend most PG's ok.

Butler is a 6'7" SG/SF that can guard PG's, SG's and SF's. And when i say "can guard", i mean really really defend. He is one of the best defenders in the game. A true 2-way player. He averages 1 less assist than Bledsoe, yet he doesnt have the ball in his hands nearly as much as Bledsoe, because he is not playing PG. Thats called great Basketball IQ and being a great passer.

Also add in that the SG/SF market isnt nearly as saturated as PG in the league today and Bledsoes injury history (Not just games missed but the extent of the injuries).

So yes, Butler really is that much more valuable than Bledsoe.

Imagine Butler plays in west and Bledsoe plays in east. Are you sure that Butler would be All-Star and healthy Bledsoe would not be?
Think about this:
IT last season with Kings: 20, 6, 3, 50eFG% - he was signed for 7 milions/year, nobody fought for him
IT this season with Celtics: 22, 6, 3, 48eFG% - All-Star
Can you tell me that player's reputation around the league is not affected by which conference they play?

Butler is no doubt more valuable than Bledsoe. But is he really THAT much more valuable?
4th, Knight, Len, Warren etc. or 3rd, Smart, Crowder etc. for Butler?
But propose for example 8th for Bledsoe and half of Kings fans will say it's bad for they.

With their stats being so close I'm sure that either Butler is overrated or Bledsoe is underrated (I think it's bit of both).

[Ghost of Kleine]

Here is an interesting trade to consider,

Both bledsoe and derrick rose have significant injury histories. Would you guys consider sending chicago .....Bledsoe, Tucker, Miami 2018 in return for derrick rose, and miscellaneous pieces?

That is interestingly terrible.

Curious as to why you'd say it would be so terrible? Especially when/If we can rehab rose, He becomes a massive asset towards a much bigger trade later.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Here is an interesting trade to consider,

Both bledsoe and derrick rose have significant injury histories. Would you guys consider sending chicago .....Bledsoe, Tucker, Miami 2018 in return for derrick rose, and miscellaneous pieces?

Possibly the worst post of all time on this forum.

Definitely, Ssol don't hold back, tell me how you really feel k....lol. But in all seriousness, What feedback can you give to actually substantiate your claim, Other than just your opinion? How do measure each players value in comparison if healthy?

[Ghost of Kleine]

[quote="GoranTragic"][quote="Ghost of Kleine"]Here is an interesting trade to consider,

Both bledsoe and derrick rose have significant injury histories. Would you guys consider sending chicago .....Bledsoe, Tucker, Miami 2018 in return for derrick rose, and miscellaneous pieces?[/quote]

What the ****? [size=150]WHY?[/size] [/quote]

Bledsoe is great when healthy....When healthy! But rose if healthy is a marquee player with much greater possible value around the league. Also, If rehabbed here, He becomes a great asset, Not to mention we need to eventually move tucker to make room for warren, and bogdan ,etc.

The only question anyone should really ask is wether or not he can be rehabbed, and if bledsoe with ever fully be healthy in contrast.

[SunsFanSSOL]

Here is an interesting trade to consider,

Both bledsoe and derrick rose have significant injury histories. Would you guys consider sending chicago .....Bledsoe, Tucker, Miami 2018 in return for derrick rose, and miscellaneous pieces?

Possibly the worst post of all time on this forum.

Definitely, Ssol don't hold back, tell me how you really feel k....lol. But in all seriousness, What feedback can you give to actually substantiate your claim, Other than just your opinion? How do measure each players value in comparison if healthy?

Rose is never going to be the player he was before. He is done. All he is now is a below average, inefficient PG who takes up $20m of cap space. Advanced stats show he was by far and away the worst player on Chicago this season. I wouldn't even trade Tucker straight up for him, let alone Bledsoe and a potentially valuable 1st rounder.

[Saberestar]

Adidas is behind this photo, right?

[MrMiyagi]

Why is Russ such a weirdo?

Love how Booker is the most natural person in that picture.

[JMac1]

Booker, Pick 4, Pick 13, Len for Anthony Davis

Yea, since Anthony Davis has been in the league he has really lead the pelicans to greatness and his hasn't missed a game yet

Guard lead league. Not saying Booker is going to continue to develop into that guy, but at 19 he is on track. Booker's numbers compare to the best ever thus far at the same age. As long as he contiues on that trajectory, and we have to gut out team to get Davis, no Booker, no number 4 or 13 and no Len leaving us with Bledsoe, Knight, Warren and Davis