Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 3: About Last Knight

[BobbieL]

Ok, I have a thought here. If we can get Favors for on the cheap since the Jazz are basically just looking to shed a contract and probably get a pick in return. Do we sell the rest of our assets for Paul George?

Jazz In: Barbosa/Tucker/Future 1st

Suns In: Favors/Scrub


Pacers In: Warren/Len/Miami 2018 1st/Phx 2017 1st

Suns In: George/Scrub


Does

Bledsoe
Booker
George
Favors
Chandler

Look like a competitive team to anyone else cause it does to me.

This is my one trade proposal of the year.

I'd go for it in the event that came to be. Not sure it's enough to compete in the West but we'd be a top 3 team for sure.

Hmm - which Miami pick is better 2018 or 2021. Keep the unprotected one. I probably do those deals as a combo to get Favors and George

Are the Jazz really trying to unload Favors - probably to keep Hayward maybe.

[thamadkant]

Can some one please explain to me, why do all of these playoff teams have intrests in PJ? Not that I think he is a bad player.. but he is pretty average to be honest. I'm seriously asking btw..

Ideal veteran role player.

On a good team he wont have to try to do too much. Just hustle, defend and fire up.

[gaspar]

Favors is just 25 years old, he is gonna be healthy again next season...his injuries are not a big concern IMO.

If we want to get him, this is the perfect moment. He is was untouchable last year.

Knee and back injuries for a big man can be a killer long term. If people here are afraid to keep Bledso with his past injury history, there is no way in hell we should be willing to overlook that and trust Favors injury history will go away.

Yup.

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=43214525&nid=294

Spoiler:

Favors very transparently has been playing injured all season long. First of all, he's missed 17 games this season thanks to the knee injuries, dubbed variously a "left knee bone contusion," "left knee IT band syndrome," or just plain old "left knee soreness." That's after missing the end of the season last year due to "right knee soreness."

But even when he has been able to play, he clearly doesn't run as fast, doesn't cut as sharply and doesn't jump as high as seasons previous. Favors wears knee protection on both knees during games, ices both knees after games and gingerly walks up and down stairs on off-days, using the hand rail. Watching him do this, it's hard to believe he's just 25 years old.

The relevant question here is: When will Favors be healthy again? "That's a hard thing, I think. It's hard to define 100 percent," said Utah Jazz head coach Quin Snyder when asked about it two weeks ago.

Players normally point to the All-Star break as a time when they get a much-needed break to recuperate from any nagging injuries they have. But eight days off for Favors doesn't seem incredibly promising. After all, thanks to a well-timed stretch of rest, Favors had eight days off two weeks ago, and has still just averaged 8.7 points per game in seven games since. And over the season, his worst games have come when the Jazz have had two or three days off. His highest scoring averages come on the second night of back to backs.

But even longer breaks haven't been effective. That monthlong break didn't bring Favors any closer to his on-court form: it took him 11 games to score over double figures after coming back. And remember, all of this is coming after a full offseason which Favors didn't return healthy from. Favors played just one game in the preseason due to his knee issues.

The Jazz haven't been forthcoming about Favors' offseason, but something is unusual. "We knew that we were going to hit the season and have to manage Derrick and his condition," Jazz general manager Dennis Lindsey told 1280 The Zone last week. "There's nothing that's surgical that needs to be done or anything like that, but there were a couple of things that he needed to take care of in the offseason and it was clear that we needed to manage his way."

Lindsey spun it as a positive, complimenting the work Favors had done to reduce his weight from 274 pounds coming into the season to 259 pounds now, but it's still unclear why Favors wasn't healthy from day 1. "Derrick put in really good work this offseason, but he was limited," Lindsey said.

Honestly, given that nothing is surgically wrong and long periods of rest don't seem to completely heal Favors, some around the team worry that Favors won't ever get back to being the explosive player that he once was. If there was an issue that could be surgically repaired, that'd be one thing, but without a smoking gun that can be repaired, it's hard to have much confidence that the situation will get better. Favors wouldn't be the first big man to have knee issues that permanently changed a career, even at age 25, and he wouldn't be the last.

[Blackification]

Im nervous, its been years of hearing McD say he wants a young star to develop with his core. Until now there havent been many available.. now we drummond, butler, george, and whoever else i missed and McD is in a contract extension situation? All bets are off

[BobbieL]

Can some one please explain to me, why do all of these playoff teams have intrests in PJ? Not that I think he is a bad player.. but he is pretty average to be honest. I'm seriously asking btw..

Ideal veteran role player.

On a good team he wont have to try to do too much. Just hustle, defend and fire up.

Raptor Celtics and Wizards all should be all over PJ Tucker to try to make up ground on the Cavs with Love and JR Smith out.

A first round pick for any of those teams should not stand in the way of PJ Tucker. Just look at the history of picks in the 20's compared to a legit chance to make to the Finals.

Celtics - may not want to use the cap space but Chandler for Amir; adding PJ, might put them over the top in the East.

Festus Ezeli still on the Blazers - seems like a good deal for Ryan to take on salary for a future first to get to the salary cap minimum.

[LukasBMW]

I still like the idea of Bledsoe + Jah to Indiana, Suns assets to Philly for Jah, and Myles Turner to us.

I'll even add Tucker and Miami picks to Indy.


2017 1st/Ulis
Booker
Bender/TJ
Chriss
Myles

7 rookie contracts! Select Ball with our 1st rounder and we'd have a lights out shooting team.

Perhaps we keep Tyson, Barbosa, and Dudley as vet anchors.

[Saberestar]

Favors is just 25 years old, he is gonna be healthy again next season...his injuries are not a big concern IMO.

If we want to get him, this is the perfect moment. He is was untouchable last year.

Knee and back injuries for a big man can be a killer long term. If people here are afraid to keep Bledso with his past injury history, there is no way in hell we should be willing to overlook that and trust Favors injury history will go away.

Yup.

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=43214525&nid=294

Spoiler:

Favors very transparently has been playing injured all season long. First of all, he's missed 17 games this season thanks to the knee injuries, dubbed variously a "left knee bone contusion," "left knee IT band syndrome," or just plain old "left knee soreness." That's after missing the end of the season last year due to "right knee soreness."

But even when he has been able to play, he clearly doesn't run as fast, doesn't cut as sharply and doesn't jump as high as seasons previous. Favors wears knee protection on both knees during games, ices both knees after games and gingerly walks up and down stairs on off-days, using the hand rail. Watching him do this, it's hard to believe he's just 25 years old.

The relevant question here is: When will Favors be healthy again? "That's a hard thing, I think. It's hard to define 100 percent," said Utah Jazz head coach Quin Snyder when asked about it two weeks ago.

Players normally point to the All-Star break as a time when they get a much-needed break to recuperate from any nagging injuries they have. But eight days off for Favors doesn't seem incredibly promising. After all, thanks to a well-timed stretch of rest, Favors had eight days off two weeks ago, and has still just averaged 8.7 points per game in seven games since. And over the season, his worst games have come when the Jazz have had two or three days off. His highest scoring averages come on the second night of back to backs.

But even longer breaks haven't been effective. That monthlong break didn't bring Favors any closer to his on-court form: it took him 11 games to score over double figures after coming back. And remember, all of this is coming after a full offseason which Favors didn't return healthy from. Favors played just one game in the preseason due to his knee issues.

The Jazz haven't been forthcoming about Favors' offseason, but something is unusual. "We knew that we were going to hit the season and have to manage Derrick and his condition," Jazz general manager Dennis Lindsey told 1280 The Zone last week. "There's nothing that's surgical that needs to be done or anything like that, but there were a couple of things that he needed to take care of in the offseason and it was clear that we needed to manage his way."

Lindsey spun it as a positive, complimenting the work Favors had done to reduce his weight from 274 pounds coming into the season to 259 pounds now, but it's still unclear why Favors wasn't healthy from day 1. "Derrick put in really good work this offseason, but he was limited," Lindsey said.

Honestly, given that nothing is surgically wrong and long periods of rest don't seem to completely heal Favors, some around the team worry that Favors won't ever get back to being the explosive player that he once was. If there was an issue that could be surgically repaired, that'd be one thing, but without a smoking gun that can be repaired, it's hard to have much confidence that the situation will get better. Favors wouldn't be the first big man to have knee issues that permanently changed a career, even at age 25, and he wouldn't be the last.

I did not know it was that bad.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I still like the idea of Bledsoe + Jah to Indiana, Suns assets to Philly for Jah, and Myles Turner to us.

I'll even add Tucker and Miami picks to Indy.


2017 1st/Ulis
Booker
Bender/TJ
Chriss
Myles

7 rookie contracts! Select Ball with our 1st rounder and we'd have a lights out shooting team.

Perhaps we keep Tyson, Barbosa, and Dudley as vet anchors.

I don't think theres anyway in hell indi moves miles turner. None

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[thamadkant]

Knight, Len for Lakers pick top 3 protected becomes unprotected 2018

Lol

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[BobbieL]

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why not listen ?

just who is meeting the asking price

Didn't they sign a bunch of "just guys" last year: Evan Turner, Crabbe, the other guard, McCallum for big money; Meyers Leonard the year before for like 40/4.

I mean - not as many dollars but when I saw those signings I thought of when Sarver to go quantity, when he foolishly let Kerr walk out the door on June 30 of FA season (pay him 500k to stay a month but get through free agency!) and signed a bunch of 'just guys" when Amare left: He Don't Turkoglu; Hakim Warrick, Josh Childress, Frye (good signing in retrospect but still).

I think I give up a helluva lot for Lillard - helluva lot. Can can ball as if truly on the market, the best player on the market I have seen

Top 3 pick
Bledsoe
Warren
Len
Miami picks

and we will take back Meyers Leonard and Festus Ezeli

I wonder if they would like an expiring Jeff Greene if that deal for Knight were to happen. Take on another somewhat bad contract.

Lillard and Booker would be one helluva tandem

[WeekapaugGroove]

The fact you still can't see embedded tweets on the realgm app is ridiculous and renders it nearly unusable this time of year. Come on RealGM step your game up.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

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why not listen ?

just who is meeting the asking price

Didn't they sign a bunch of "just guys" last year: Evan Turner, Crabbe, the other guard, McCallum for big money; Meyers Leonard the year before for like 40/4.

I mean - not as many dollars but when I saw those signings I thought of when Sarver to go quantity, when he foolishly let Kerr walk out the door on June 30 of FA season (pay him 500k to stay a month but get through free agency!) and signed a bunch of 'just guys" when Amare left: He Don't Turkoglu; Hakim Warrick, Josh Childress, Frye (good signing in retrospect but still).

I think I give up a helluva lot for Lillard - helluva lot. Can can ball as if truly on the market, the best player on the market I have seen

Top 3 pick
Bledsoe
Warren
Len
Miami picks

and we will take back Meyers Leonard and Festus Ezeli

I wonder if they would like an expiring Jeff Greene if that deal for Knight were to happen. Take on another somewhat bad contract.

Lillard and Booker would be one helluva tandem

Wow you really like Lillard. Personally I think Butler and George are both better players and more valuable trade assets. I wouldn't even consider the deal you threw out.. Heck I wouldn't have any interest in dealing their 2017 first rounder for him unless it had serious protection. I'm not even sure he's substantially better than Bledsoe and he's really not that great of a fit next to Booker since he's a high volume and very little d type guy.

[BobbieL]

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why not listen ?

just who is meeting the asking price

Didn't they sign a bunch of "just guys" last year: Evan Turner, Crabbe, the other guard, McCallum for big money; Meyers Leonard the year before for like 40/4.

I mean - not as many dollars but when I saw those signings I thought of when Sarver to go quantity, when he foolishly let Kerr walk out the door on June 30 of FA season (pay him 500k to stay a month but get through free agency!) and signed a bunch of 'just guys" when Amare left: He Don't Turkoglu; Hakim Warrick, Josh Childress, Frye (good signing in retrospect but still).

I think I give up a helluva lot for Lillard - helluva lot. Can can ball as if truly on the market, the best player on the market I have seen

Top 3 pick
Bledsoe
Warren
Len
Miami picks

and we will take back Meyers Leonard and Festus Ezeli

I wonder if they would like an expiring Jeff Greene if that deal for Knight were to happen. Take on another somewhat bad contract.

Lillard and Booker would be one helluva tandem

Wow you really like Lillard. Personally I think Butler and George are both better players and more valuable trade assets. I wouldn't even consider the deal you threw out.. Heck I wouldn't have any interest in dealing their 2017 first rounder for him unless it had serious protection. I'm not even sure he's substantially better than Bledsoe and he's really not that great of a fit next to Booker since he's a high volume and very little d type guy.

You are right about not being the right fit next to Booker. Booker does need the right PG next to him.

I do like Lillards game a lot - not afraid to take a shot and make it a shot.

I think he is a lot better than Bledsoe but I grant you, probably not the best fit next to Booker

I just am ready for something. Ryan, to me, has to make some magic happen and get a player in here, veteran guy that can kick start the rebuild into 2017/18

[thamadkant]

Rather have Paul George than Lillard.


I want the Suns to have a Kawhi level or close to type player.

[sunsbum]

I doubt the blazers are shopping Lillard. Highly.

[WeekapaugGroove]

why not listen ?

just who is meeting the asking price

Didn't they sign a bunch of "just guys" last year: Evan Turner, Crabbe, the other guard, McCallum for big money; Meyers Leonard the year before for like 40/4.

I mean - not as many dollars but when I saw those signings I thought of when Sarver to go quantity, when he foolishly let Kerr walk out the door on June 30 of FA season (pay him 500k to stay a month but get through free agency!) and signed a bunch of 'just guys" when Amare left: He Don't Turkoglu; Hakim Warrick, Josh Childress, Frye (good signing in retrospect but still).

I think I give up a helluva lot for Lillard - helluva lot. Can can ball as if truly on the market, the best player on the market I have seen

Top 3 pick
Bledsoe
Warren
Len
Miami picks

and we will take back Meyers Leonard and Festus Ezeli

I wonder if they would like an expiring Jeff Greene if that deal for Knight were to happen. Take on another somewhat bad contract.

Lillard and Booker would be one helluva tandem

Wow you really like Lillard. Personally I think Butler and George are both better players and more valuable trade assets. I wouldn't even consider the deal you threw out.. Heck I wouldn't have any interest in dealing their 2017 first rounder for him unless it had serious protection. I'm not even sure he's substantially better than Bledsoe and he's really not that great of a fit next to Booker since he's a high volume and very little d type guy.

You are right about not being the right fit next to Booker. Booker does need the right PG next to him.

I do like Lillards game a lot - not afraid to take a shot and make it a shot.

I think he is a lot better than Bledsoe but I grant you, probably not the best fit next to Booker

I just am ready for something. Ryan, to me, has to make some magic happen and get a player in here, veteran guy that can kick start the rebuild into 2017/18

I get that man it's been a rough stretch for suns fans and seeing some light at the end of the tunnel would be nice. I guess I'm just really leery of trading that 2017 pick; we've had to endure the losing all season so lets reap the reward of a high pick and some excitement on draft day. Plus I look at the top of that draft and guys like Fultz and Ball seem like great long term fits next to Booker and then if the suns don't move up into the top two guys like Jackson, Tatum, Isaac seem to really fill the need we have on the wing. And Smith is a great talent too. It feels like this draft sets up so nicely for the suns and damn it they are due to get some luck and hit an absolute home run on a guy that could be here the next decade.

[BobbieL]

Wow you really like Lillard. Personally I think Butler and George are both better players and more valuable trade assets. I wouldn't even consider the deal you threw out.. Heck I wouldn't have any interest in dealing their 2017 first rounder for him unless it had serious protection. I'm not even sure he's substantially better than Bledsoe and he's really not that great of a fit next to Booker since he's a high volume and very little d type guy.

You are right about not being the right fit next to Booker. Booker does need the right PG next to him.

I do like Lillards game a lot - not afraid to take a shot and make it a shot.

I think he is a lot better than Bledsoe but I grant you, probably not the best fit next to Booker

I just am ready for something. Ryan, to me, has to make some magic happen and get a player in here, veteran guy that can kick start the rebuild into 2017/18

I get that man it's been a rough stretch for suns fans and seeing some light at the end of the tunnel would be nice. I guess I'm just really leery of trading that 2017 pick; we've had to endure the losing all season so lets reap the reward of a high pick and some excitement on draft day. Plus I look at the top of that draft and guys like Fultz and Ball seem like great long term fits next to Booker and then if the suns don't move up into the top two guys like Jackson, Tatum, Isaac seem to really fill the need we have on the wing. And Smith is a great talent too. It feels like this draft sets up so nicely for the suns and damn it they are due to get some luck and hit an absolute home run on a guy that could be here the next decade.

Fultz and I think even more so, Ball is a great long term fit. But I think that means Bledsoe would need to be moved. And right now, with the way Bledsoe is playing, I don't want to move that guy. I want to build about Bledsoe and Booker.

Paul George - not sure how it would work player wise. But that guy might be the right guy

[Synyster9]

You have to think that the "better deal 2 days ago" that Divac said he turned down had to be the suns. Even the basic package that was rumored by Gambo was a better deal than what they got. I don't blame McD at all for not getting cousins. If my theory is true, he tried, made a good offer, and Sac stupidly turned it down. I think that it will be better for us in the long run. I think we make a couple small deals over the next couple days and continue down the line of finishing in the bottom 5 of the league. IMO, McD's job should not be in question. he's made a couple bad trades, but show me 1 GM of any sport that has never made a bad deal. Nobody's perfect and to expect him to be is just not smart/realistic. At least we don't have Divac as our GM.... haha