Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2

[thamadkant]

This is more of a reality than what people think... he's not the same BG from his early 20's but he doesn't have to be that guy. He reminds me so much of Charles Barkley when he came over in a trade

or McDyess...


And we know what happened there.

[Qwigglez]

First off - love this idea of Blake Griffin if healthy. Especially if he reached out



Kevin Pelton says the Suns are $2m shy after releasing Barbosa (I think) and renouncing Len and Williams. My guess, don't renounce Williams too early but maybe trade TJ Warren; see what market there is for Knight.

If Morey can do what he did in Houston and other team work the c - Ryan McD can find $2m for Blake.

With an S&T - anybody willing to put Bledsoe/Warren to the Clippers to get in done

I think if you sign Blake you need Bledsoe but there might be some veterans on the market you can also get

Here's what we could do...
Trade -
Suns get:
Paul George

Pacers get:
TJ Warren
Brandon Knight
Jared Dudley
Jones Jr
Both Miami picks, our 2018 1st, unprotected

I know I know I know. Why would Pacers want trash Knight and Dudley? They have to reach the salary floor minimum, so they might as well get contracts that aren't the worst of the worst (Deng/Mozgov/Turner), or even make bad signings themselves this offseason. Knight is a pretty damn good tank commander too. They have been shooting for the moon on PG trades apparently from Boston. We could swoop in and give them Warren plus 3 picks for a guy that is going to leave them next summer anyway. Look at what the Clippers got for CP3, absolutely nothing! A crap pick for next season!
Meanwhile the Suns outgoing salary is 25mil and George cost 17mil.

Our updated lineup:
Bledsoe / Ulis
Booker / Reed
George / Jackson /
Blake / Bender
Chriss/ Chandler

I know McD recently said we are being patient, but he also mentioned he wanted to pull off something similar to what he pulled off with Boston, getting Ray Allen and KG. And if the opportunity arises...

[bwgood77]

Easier said than done, but if we could dump Knight and Chandler this would be a no brainer (if the med staff sign off on it).

Bledsoe, Ulis, James
Booker, Barbosa, Reed
Warren, Jackson, Jones JR
Griffin, Bender, Dudley
Len, Chriss, Williams

Millsap and Peters as 2way.

Actually, I think I dump Len and keep Chandler. With Blake, you need a big rebounder and probably not as much offense. So I think Chandler/Griffin works better than Len/Griffin. Granted, if that's how you get Blake because you can get Len for lower dollars, that's one thing. But from what I have seen of Len - I would feel better with Chandler

If we could actually dump Chandler, I think Len is a better fit due to rim protection. Blake averages .4 blocks per 36. He has never averaged a block a game, even before playing with DeAndre.

Plus Len would probably be cheaper....and younger.

The big thing is, we really need to get rid of Knight. If we HAVE to get rid of Knight to sign Blake, I wonder what kind of picks we would be willing to give up to get rid of him? Considering we gave up two firsts to dump a reasonable Kurt Thomas contract, and GS gave up two firsts to dump a couple contracts to Utah to sign Iggy, you'd think we'd have to give up quite a bit.

But we really need to clear that cap space out if we sign him.

I can go either way on signing Blake.

My biggest concern is health. He has missed 68 games the last two years, 83, in the last 3, is out until December, and is older and more injury prone than when we walked away from Amare. That's a little scary to be stuck to him if he ends up just always being injured.

I wonder if he would pass our medical exam.

[Cutter]

This is more of a reality than what people think........

Is this comment based on insider information?

[Revived]

Gambo is saying that Blake's people reached out to us. Not the other way around.

Would he take a discount to play here?

Or does he only want the Suns because we're the only good weather/West coast team besides Clippers that has cap space for him plus he likes the women in Arizona?

I'm not joking but I honestly think the reputation for women in Arizona is playing a huge role in Blake wanting to play here. He's not a family guy like the LeBron or CP3 or anything like that so it makes plenty of sense.

[ray ray]

This is more of a reality than what people think... he's not the same BG from his early 20's but he doesn't have to be that guy. He reminds me so much of Charles Barkley when he came over in a trade

or McDyess...


And we know what happened there.

He's body structure and ability is more like Barkley... if he does come over, I imagine Tyson will have a big impact on him..

[Moochthemonkey]

[quote="DirtyDez"]The Suns need to drop 8-9 mil to be able to afford his first year cap hit at the max level. Apparently his first year cap hit would be around 30mil.

I believe that space can be cleared if the Suns let Len be a UFA

[bwgood77]

First off - love this idea of Blake Griffin if healthy. Especially if he reached out



Kevin Pelton says the Suns are $2m shy after releasing Barbosa (I think) and renouncing Len and Williams. My guess, don't renounce Williams too early but maybe trade TJ Warren; see what market there is for Knight.

If Morey can do what he did in Houston and other team work the c - Ryan McD can find $2m for Blake.

With an S&T - anybody willing to put Bledsoe/Warren to the Clippers to get in done

I think if you sign Blake you need Bledsoe but there might be some veterans on the market you can also get

Here's what we could do...
Trade -
Suns get:
Paul George

Pacers get:
TJ Warren
Brandon Knight
Jared Dudley
Jones Jr
Both Miami picks, our 2018 1st, unprotected

I know I know I know. Why would Pacers want trash Knight and Dudley? They have to reach the salary floor minimum, so they might as well get contracts that aren't the worst of the worst (Deng/Mozgov/Turner), or even make bad signings themselves this offseason. Knight is a pretty damn good tank commander too. They have been shooting for the moon on PG trades apparently from Boston. We could swoop in and give them Warren plus 3 picks for a guy that is going to leave them next summer anyway. Look at what the Clippers got for CP3, absolutely nothing! A crap pick for next season!
Meanwhile the Suns outgoing salary is 25mil and George cost 17mil.

Our updated lineup:
Bledsoe / Ulis
Booker / Reed
George / Jackson /
Blake / Bender
Chriss/ Chandler

I know McD recently said we are being patient, but he also mentioned he wanted to pull off something similar to what he pulled off with Boston, getting Ray Allen and KG. And if the opportunity arises...

You really want to give up three first rounders and Warren to have Paul George for a year? You know he's going to LA unless he is playing with Hayward in Boston or LeBron somewhere else. Even if I thought there was a 50/50 chance he'd stay, there is no way I risk it. However, if we had to dump 2 firsts to get rid of Knight in the first place, then there is that. I'd never give an unprotected pick. Bledsoe and Griffin could easily go down for the season. In fact there is probably about a 50/50 chance one goes down for a significant amount of time. We could have like the 7th worst record and get lucky the one year we don't own our pick.

[starbosa10]

Gambo is saying that Blake's people reached out to us. Not the other way around.

Would he take a discount to play here?

Or does he only want the Suns because we're the only good weather/West coast team besides Clippers that has cap space for him plus he likes the women in Arizona?

I'm not joking but I honestly think the reputation for women in Arizona is playing a huge role in Blake wanting to play here. He's not a family guy like the LeBron or CP3 or anything like that so it makes plenty of sense.

what's this reputation? might need to move

[ray ray]

This is more of a reality than what people think........

Is this comment based on insider information?

More of a comment ...

but why would the Suns take Bled with them to with meet with him?

Why would Blake want to meet with us before anyone else?

Why did Blake reach out to us?

I'm telling you this, Book and Chriss bring more to the Suns than what they produce in which court.. they are view among NBA players as the future of the NBA

[Cutter]

If you believe there is a new style of NBA positionless play then static, immobile centers like Chandler are archaic and he needs to be traded.

I don't think the Suns are as down on Len as this board is. Sure, they didn't give him an extension, but if he develops as Suns hope he becomes a rim protecting, rebounding C who can stretch the floor (a tiny bit) with an outside shot, that for now, he can't seem to find.

I don't think we should give up on Len quite yet unless he gets a huge offer from someone this summer.

[Qwigglez]

You really want to give up three first rounders and Warren to have Paul George for a year? You know he's going to LA unless he is playing with Hayward in Boston or LeBron somewhere else. Even if I thought there was a 50/50 chance he'd stay, there is no way I risk it. However, if we had to dump 2 firsts to get rid of Knight in the first place, then there is that. I'd never give an unprotected pick. Bledsoe and Griffin could easily go down for the season. In fact there is probably about a 50/50 chance one goes down for a significant amount of time. We could have like the 7th worst record and get lucky the one year we don't own our pick.

No. We make that trade if Paul George said he would sign an extension or some kind of promise or something. Obviously I wouldn't mortgage the future for a rental, but we are hearing he would sign with Celtics or Cavs if they traded for him.
I remember a couple years ago PG said he wanted to go to Phoenix. Or at least someone mentioned that on the board but there wasn't any kind of verification I recall.

[nevetsov]

This is more of a reality than what people think........

Is this comment based on insider information?

More of a comment ...

but why would the Suns take Bled with them to with meet with him?

Are Bled and Blake close from Bleds time at the Clippers?

[Puff]

First off - love this idea of Blake Griffin if healthy. Especially if he reached out

Two - I don't mind Millsap but as long as its 3 year deal - maximum

Three - this idea about getting the young guys minutes. To me, earn your damn minutes. The Suns have so much youth on the team - Booker, Bender,Chriss and Josh willjus be hitting their prime when Blake rolls off after 4 years

Kevin Pelton says the Suns are $2m shy after releasing Barbosa (I think) and renouncing Len and Williams. My guess, don't renounce Williams too early but maybe trade TJ Warren; see what market there is for Knight.

If Morey can do what he did in Houston and other team work the c - Ryan McD can find $2m for Blake.

With an S&T - anybody willing to put Bledsoe/Warren to the Clippers to get in done

I think if you sign Blake you need Bledsoe but there might be some veterans on the market you can also get

Why not Bledsoe, Warren and a pick for Griffin and Patrick Beverly.

[alldayeveryday]

Lets bring back Tucker if we sign BG. Punch him again. I want nothing to do with either BG or Milsap.

Only reason he is probably visiting us due to the relationship with Bledsoe and possibility playing with him again.

With our luck, he'll cancel the meeting and fly directly to Boston.

/s

[bwgood77]

Gambo is saying that Blake's people reached out to us. Not the other way around.

Would he take a discount to play here?

Or does he only want the Suns because we're the only good weather/West coast team besides Clippers that has cap space for him plus he likes the women in Arizona?

I'm not joking but I honestly think the reputation for women in Arizona is playing a huge role in Blake wanting to play here. He's not a family guy like the LeBron or CP3 or anything like that so it makes plenty of sense.

what's this reputation? might need to move

There doesn't have to be a reputation. If you've ever been to a night club in Scottsdale your jaw drops. I had friends from college in from LA once and they were like "Wow, I always thought LA was the place where you would see this...."...there was more to it than that. I can't imagine going to one of those places if you are a guy like Griffin. They have VIP rooms I got into on occasion and I'm sure he's seen it all.

But I'm sure they have that in Miami too and NY. He mentioned Toronto...I'm kind of surprised he didn't mention Miami.

[NTB]

If we get Blake Griffin this is 2004 summer all over again.

Back then we had... Joe Johnson (23 years old), Amare Stoudemire (22 years old), Shawn Marion (26 years old), and Leandro Barbosa (22 years old). We signed a injury prone 30 year old Steve Nash.


We have Booker (20 years old), Bender (19 years old), Chriss (20 years old), Warren (24 years old), Jackson (20 years old), Bledsoe (27 years old). We sign a injury prone 28 year old Blake Griffin.

I am really really liking this idea.

one major difference is the PGs heading into the 04/05 season were Leandro Barbosa (more of an SG) and Yuta Tabuse. Now you have Bender/Chriss/Warren/Jackson that should be vying for the forward positions and perhaps Bender/Chriss/Len and/or Williams that will have minutes at the C spot, and that withstands Chandler. If Blake gets 30 minutes a night, is there sufficient room for other players to develop? I know these are younger players, but I do slightly worry about roles clashing and we end up in another Dragic/Bledsoe/Thomas situation.

Griffin (30) - Chriss (18)
Chandler (25) - Chriss (10) - Bender (13)

Sorry Alan, back to warming the bench. Also if Bender plays well Chandler may play 20 mins and Bender may play 18 mins.
Bender wouldn't get more than 20 minutes if Blake doesn't come anyways. 28 minutes for Chriss is also enough IMO.

[Qwigglez]

Lets bring back Tucker if we sign BG. Punch him again. I want nothing to do with either BG or Milsap.

Only reason he is probably visiting us due to the relationship with Bledsoe and possibility playing with him again.

With our luck, he'll cancel the meeting and fly directly to Boston.

/s

As an all-star player, I would think Blake might be a bit annoyed when Celtics likely have him as priority number 3 (behind Hayward and George).
I actually think if we are the 1st team to meet with him we are going to sign him. Why? Well, Bledsoe and Chandler can just hold him hostage until he signs the paperwork. Take a page out of Blake's book!

[bwgood77]

If you believe there is a new style of NBA positionless play then static, immobile centers like Chandler are archaic and he needs to be traded.

I don't think the Suns are as down on Len as this board is. Sure, they didn't give him an extension, but if he develops as Suns hope he becomes a rim protecting, rebounding C who can stretch the floor (a tiny bit) with an outside shot, that for now, he can't seem to find.

I don't think we should give up on Len quite yet unless he gets a huge offer from someone this summer.

I don't know if they are down on him or not...I imagine they are probably not exactly high on him, but I'd wait out RFA and if he doesn't get an offer, either give him a small deal slightly above the QO or let him play on that...but we should get rid of Chandler.

I kind of think we will keep Chandler and I'm not sure there will be much of a market for him. We really just need to dump Knight and we'd be fine with the cap.

[SC923]

We need to build a winning culture for our future. I have a feeling we can bring Blake over as a small ball center and he can play without stunting the development of Chriss or Bender