Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion #5: A Serving of Irving?

[Sunzgunz]

Here's a trade rumor New Yorker' s were going back and forth on Reddit:

Phx out:
Eric Bledsoe, Tyson Chandler, Jared Dudley

Phx in:
Frank ntilikina, Ryan Anderson, channing frye

Houston out:
Ryan Anderson, Trevor ariza

Houston in:
Carmelo anthony, Richard jefferson

New York out:
Carmelo anthony, Frank Ntilikina, 1st round pick

New York in:
Kyrie irving, Jared Dudley

Cleveland out:
Kyrie irving, Richard jefferson, channing frye

Cleveland in:
Eric Bledsoe, Tyson Chandler, Trevor ariza, 2018 1st round pick pick/knicks

[Qwigglez]

Update:

The Suns would've traded Bledsoe, Jackson and Miami's first round IF Kyrie Irving would've committed to an extension. However, Kyrie isn't committed to anyone at this moment.

Having said this, the Suns WILL NOT offer Jackson for Irving under any circumstances. That's part of the issue as to why every team is low balling for Irving.

* and by agreing to an extension, they mean giving his word which he isn't.

Is this current info? When did you get this? Just wondering.

[Sunzgunz]

I still think it will be just us and cavs. Time is on our side, not theirs. We're not waiting for a better offer, they are.

It's pretty unfortunate that bron/kyrie can't on together. I dont think they can open camp together, it can get a lot worse before it gets better!

I think dude is wrong to, I don't think it TJ, I think it's Chriss, unless they are fighting for both w/out the draft pick...i dunno, I guess we'll all find out pretty soon. ...hopefully!

[jcsunsfan]

lol at anyone who takes ray ray's posts seriously

Ray Ray has good info

This is uncalled for.

[jcsunsfan]

Offer them what we think he is worth. We have a really good idea about that based upon James Jones inside info. Do not assume he will stay beyond two years. If they don't want that, walk away. This is negotiating 101.

[Waylay13]

Offer them what we think he is worth. We have a really good idea about that based upon James Jones inside info. Do not assume he will stay beyond two years. If they don't want that, walk away. This is negotiating 101.

I dont think they are going to take a bag of mixed nuts.

[ray ray]

Update:

The Suns would've traded Bledsoe, Jackson and Miami's first round IF Kyrie Irving would've committed to an extension. However, Kyrie isn't committed to anyone at this moment.

Having said this, the Suns WILL NOT offer Jackson for Irving under any circumstances. That's part of the issue as to why every team is low balling for Irving.

* and by agreing to an extension, they mean giving his word which he isn't.

Is this current info? When did you get this? Just wondering.

That's what I got last night .. how current the information is, i don't know since I know McD is big on keeping information within the organization.

[Fo-Real]

Here's a trade rumor New Yorker' s were going back and forth on Reddit:

Phx out:
Eric Bledsoe, Tyson Chandler, Jared Dudley

Phx in:
Frank ntilikina, Ryan Anderson, channing frye

Houston out:
Ryan Anderson, Trevor ariza

Houston in:
Carmelo anthony, Richard jefferson

New York out:
Carmelo anthony, Frank Ntilikina, 1st round pick

New York in:
Kyrie irving, Jared Dudley

Cleveland out:
Kyrie irving, Richard jefferson, channing frye

Cleveland in:
Eric Bledsoe, Tyson Chandler, Trevor ariza, 2018 1st round pick pick/knicks

I vote NEVER on Ryan Anderson here ever!

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Ray Ray has good info

This is uncalled for.

I don't know. It's a little obnoxious that ray ray shows up every now and again to restate a rumor circulated a couple days or weeks prior to cast legitimacy upon it. I'm not in the business of attacking other posters, but I don't think his information should be considered credible. I don't recall ever hearing something from him that I didn't first hear elsewhere.

I don't want to get into this, so I won't respond any further on this subject.

[DB43]

Update:

The Suns would've traded Bledsoe, Jackson and Miami's first round IF Kyrie Irving would've committed to an extension. However, Kyrie isn't committed to anyone at this moment.

Having said this, the Suns WILL NOT offer Jackson for Irving under any circumstances. That's part of the issue as to why every team is low balling for Irving.

* and by agreing to an extension, they mean giving his word which he isn't.

Is this current info? When did you get this? Just wondering.

That's what I got last night .. how current the information is, i don't know since I know McD is big on keeping information within the organization.

You sure it has nothing to do with the fact that all the major sports media accounts said this morning that Kyrie wouldn't commit to an extension with any team?

[Preacherpj]

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/08/02/report-kyrie-irving-not-ready-to-commit-to-any-team-that-trades-for-him/

I still say 95% he bolts. Pass.

You could still re-trade Irving in a year if you don't think you can keep him.

That obviously wouldn't be ideal and you wouldn't recoup the full value of what you gave up, but it does help lessen the risk.

And which stupid team is going to give you anything close to what it cost to bring him here in the first place. how are you going to recover from the lose of 2 young lottery picks and a near all-star that you spent to bring Kyrie here in the first place.

This just lowered his total trade package offers by a good bit. Going to something like Bledsoe and a 2nd rounder is the max.

Lol, did you even read my post? I said you aren't going to get back what you give up -- but the point is you can still recoup some value if you get him and decide to move on in a year either because it isn't working or he's not going to stay. We got two firsts for Goran Dragic who was a FA after the season, we'd be able to get decent value for Kyrie with a year left on his deal.

Everybody is waiting for this perfect star that wants to come to Phoenix, won't cost any assets, fits the timeline, is a great two-way player, will comitt long-term.... that's not going to happen. At some point you have to take some risk to get a star in Phoenix. With Kyrie the risk is he can leave in two years and may not fit in well with Booker -- well you can mitigate the first part of that by trading him with a year left on your contract if you had too.

People overvalue mid-lotto picks, most don't ever live up to their potential and many are complete busts. This team as currently constructed doesn't need more mid-lotto guys on the bench that we hope can develop, we need a star to put alongside Booker. Is Kyrie that guy? I don't know, but I think there's a chance he could be. And if the price to acquire isn't overally high and I don't think Bledsoe, Miami 18, Chriss, Reed is; than you go get him.

[enigmatics]

Two things.

Time is on our side. The longer the Cavs hold out the less value they get back in a trade. They cannot afford to wait until next year that's for sure. The other thing is if you revoke your Suns fanhood because of the possibility of Jackson getting traded - you need to get your head checked. You seem to confuse Jackson with once-in-a-generation talent.

[ray ray]

This is uncalled for.

I don't know. It's a little obnoxious that ray ray shows up every now and again to restate a rumor circulated a couple days or weeks prior to cast legitimacy upon it. I'm not in the business of attacking other posters, but I don't think his information should be considered credible. I don't recall ever hearing something from him that I didn't first hear elsewhere.

I don't want to get into this, so I won't respond any further on this subject.

First of all, I never said it was breaking news. I'm just confirming things as they go. There's so much false information going on right now.'

As I stated before, McD is HUGE on keeping information within house. James Jones being added to the FO was kept secret until the announcement.

[enigmatics]

Lol, did you even read my post? I said you aren't going to get back what you give up -- but the point is you can still recoup some value if you get him and decide to move on in a year either because it isn't working or he's not going to stay. We got two firsts for Goran Dragic who was a FA after the season, we'd be able to get decent value for Kyrie with a year left on his deal.

Everybody is waiting for this perfect star that wants to come to Phoenix, won't cost any assets, fits the timeline, is a great two-way player, will comitt long-term.... that's not going to happen. At some point you have to take some risk to get a star in Phoenix. With Kyrie the risk is he can leave in two years and may not fit in well with Booker -- well you can mitigate the first part of that by trading him with a year left on your contract if you had too.

People overvalue mid-lotto picks, most don't ever live up to their potential and many are complete busts. This team as currently constructed doesn't need more mid-lotto guys on the bench that we hope can develop, we need a star to put alongside Booker. Is Kyrie that guy? I don't know, but I think there's a chance he could be. And if the price to acquire isn't overally high and I don't think Bledsoe, Miami 18, Chriss, Reed is; than you go get him.

Phoenix is not a destination anymore. That will remain the case until either we develop a star or we acquire one in trade.

[Preacherpj]

Strategically I'm really fine with letting our guys develop and shooting for 2020, but I also want Phoenix to be opportunistic - there's nothing wrong with accelerating the timeline if you get a chance to do it intelligently.

I do really believe it hurts our players development to toil along on teams that keep losing, Booker/Chriss/Bender/Jackson/Ulis/Reed.... need to be a part of a developing and competing team to become the players we need them to be. We keep losing and those players may not want to stick around, and certainly can develop bad habits that winning teams wouldn't allow.

At some point you do have to break the cycle of tanking and chase that 8th seed because it gets your players ready for that next step.

[Qwigglez]

First of all, I never said it was breaking news. I'm just confirming things as they go. There's so much false information going on right now.'

As I stated before, McD is HUGE on keeping information within house. James Jones being added to the FO was kept secret until the announcement.

LVSuns saw Jones in SL before it was announced. Told me he saw McD/Jones sitting together. And then... BOOM it's announced a couple days later he was on the team. Funny how things work out.

[BobbieL]

Here's a trade rumor New Yorker' s were going back and forth on Reddit:

Phx out:
Eric Bledsoe, Tyson Chandler, Jared Dudley

Phx in:
Frank ntilikina, Ryan Anderson, channing frye

Houston out:
Ryan Anderson, Trevor ariza

Houston in:
Carmelo anthony, Richard jefferson

New York out:
Carmelo anthony, Frank Ntilikina, 1st round pick

New York in:
Kyrie irving, Jared Dudley

Cleveland out:
Kyrie irving, Richard jefferson, channing frye

Cleveland in:
Eric Bledsoe, Tyson Chandler, Trevor ariza, 2018 1st round pick pick/knicks

I vote NEVER on Ryan Anderson here ever!

I really do not like this deal - but there is only one way - ONE way taking on Anderson - somebody is taking Knight


that's the only way and Anderson makes more so there is that. Dudley, Chandler roll off in 2019 - but you would need Anderson or Knight, not both

[mg]

Lol, did you even read my post? I said you aren't going to get back what you give up -- but the point is you can still recoup some value if you get him and decide to move on in a year either because it isn't working or he's not going to stay. We got two firsts for Goran Dragic who was a FA after the season, we'd be able to get decent value for Kyrie with a year left on his deal.

Everybody is waiting for this perfect star that wants to come to Phoenix, won't cost any assets, fits the timeline, is a great two-way player, will comitt long-term.... that's not going to happen. At some point you have to take some risk to get a star in Phoenix. With Kyrie the risk is he can leave in two years and may not fit in well with Booker -- well you can mitigate the first part of that by trading him with a year left on your contract if you had too.

People overvalue mid-lotto picks, most don't ever live up to their potential and many are complete busts. This team as currently constructed doesn't need more mid-lotto guys on the bench that we hope can develop, we need a star to put alongside Booker. Is Kyrie that guy? I don't know, but I think there's a chance he could be. And if the price to acquire isn't overally high and I don't think Bledsoe, Miami 18, Chriss, Reed is; than you go get him.

Phoenix is not a destination anymore. That will remain the case until either we develop a star or we acquire one in trade.

That's kinda my stance too. When I was at ASU the Suns had Barkley, KJ, Majerle, Chambers, etc and then a decade later it was Nash, Amare, Matrix, etc. The Suns basically had to trade for Barkley and sign Nash in FA to jumpstart both those eras. Other than Nash, who was drafted by the Suns, free agents just aren't going to flock to PHX. The players for the most part love playing for the Suns once they get acclimated to the culture. As for Kyrie he does have two guaranteed years left on his contract which is basically a lifetime in the NBA. I believe too he could be a magnet to draw other stars to the team. We already know Jimmy Butler and KAT both want to play with Kyrie.

EDIT: crap I almost forgot the Suns also traded for KJ from the Cavs. It was a painful trade dealing Larry Nance but it worked out long term for the Suns.

[denial]

Also, I imagine a lot of you wouldn't want Curry because of his defense too then right?

I've gone back and forth. But, Good D or not, I actually want Kyrie now and I think we should (and will) make a deal.
I was just agreeing that this particular video had the opposite effect of convincing me Kyrie could play D.

I have decided that we should make the deal. I agree with another poster that even if it makes us an 8th seed type of team, our young guys need that progression to get to the next level.
So I am ready to get Kyrie. Just saying his D does look pretty garbage to my untrained eye.

[Waylay13]

People overvalue mid-lotto picks, most don't ever live up to their potential and many are complete busts. This team as currently constructed doesn't need more mid-lotto guys on the bench that we hope can develop, we need a star to put alongside Booker. Is Kyrie that guy? I don't know, but I think there's a chance he could be. And if the price to acquire isn't overally high and I don't think Bledsoe, Miami 18, Chriss, Reed is; than you go get him.

Personally I think you are grossly overvaluing Kyrie. You are acting like he is a superstar; one of the basic ideas behind who is a superstar is that they make their teammates better. There is no one who claim that Kyrie makes his teammates better only that he is a great scorer. I think that this team needs to continue to build around the lottery for another year or so and the development and talent level of the team will push them back into close to the playoffs and in another year they will start to push into the playoffs.