Trade and free agency speculation

[DirtyDez]

While discussing VanVleet Gambo is saying they’re desperately trying to move Lowry. I mean if they’d take back Knight and Dudley it’d save them about 25 mil over two years and Okobo could take over in two years.

[AtheJ415]

Let's just sign Ariza and one other player to a couple giant 1 year deals and punt to next FA class. There just are such better options next FA. I think if you present Booker with the actual plan for next offseason and the space we would have at that point if we manage things correctly and the targets with that space, he will put off the extension out of obvious competitive viability. It wouldn't change the money for him since it kicks in after next year anyways.

[AtheJ415]

I think I would take Lowry if they took Knight and Chandler back. Aside from that, I just don't know. I can't get over the $64 million until he's 34. I know Knight's deal is worse, but we would be eliminating FA for 2 seasons. But if you compare it to Knight, it's really just taking on $12-13 mil in incremental salary for Lowry, which is not bad. But I also can't see why Toronto would do that. I could see them wanting expirings but not equally long deals.

[jredsaz]

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I like him a lot. Solid player. One year deal. But what do you trade?

Can't trade anything of significance for him imo. Sauce maybe since they just dumped a center. Or a protected 2nd.

Seriously. That's the problem with these value guys, pat included.

[jredsaz]

Had a nice little back-and-forth with Evan Sidery, yeah.... as much as i hate to admit it, i think PatBev is staying.

I hate when i have great ideas that only last 48 hours (Even though ive been on the PatBev bandwagon for much much much longer).

I do have to say that my 2nd choice in the "Who Will Be The Suns Next Starting PG" would have to be Fred VanVleet.



While he doesnt have the size or grit of Pat, he still is a great defender and 3 point shooter who can also run a team. Im looking for players that can check all 3 of those boxes, and there are very very very few of them, but Fred is one. The small sample size does scare me a bit, but he is far and away a better choice than many of the names (Big or small) that have been thrown about.

Yeah. It's funny to me that the Rondo's and Smart's of the world get thrown around there when VanVleet is obviously just a better player, who is younger, cheaper, and presents more upside. Don't understand why anybody would want either of the other 2 before VanVleet. He was very well coached in college, stayed for a long time, and makes the smart play. I would be more than comfortable rolling with him, Knight, and Okobo as the 3 PGs next season. Between VanVleet and Okobo, we at least have 2 solid PG options who are playable going forward, and neither would stand in the way of getting a true stud if one became available (like if Portland decided to part with Lillard).

Van Fleeon a 4/50 contract could be an excellent asset in a Lillard or CJ trade in the future. Man, he may be the best option and the most gettable rfa due to the raps cap situation.

[bwgood77]

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I do not know how I am feeling about Rondo.

The talent is obvious and he is a GREAT passer, but he lacks shooting and he is difficult guy in the locker room.

His defense is average at best.
IDK.

Playoff contenders he has been great. Fringe playoff teams (Chicago last year)...pretty good until being great in playoffs until injured.

Bad teams? Disaster.

I don't know anyone more even keeled on RealGM than one of the mods on the Mavs board, Dirk, and he wrote a scathing post about Rondo, and this might have been when they were actually in the playoffs...he literally gave up on the team. I would search for that post but it's down. I may anyway.

You have to be very careful with guys like that.

You are taking significant risk with him.

[Wilber85]

Had a nice little back-and-forth with Evan Sidery, yeah.... as much as i hate to admit it, i think PatBev is staying.

I hate when i have great ideas that only last 48 hours (Even though ive been on the PatBev bandwagon for much much much longer).

I do have to say that my 2nd choice in the "Who Will Be The Suns Next Starting PG" would have to be Fred VanVleet.



While he doesnt have the size or grit of Pat, he still is a great defender and 3 point shooter who can also run a team. Im looking for players that can check all 3 of those boxes, and there are very very very few of them, but Fred is one. The small sample size does scare me a bit, but he is far and away a better choice than many of the names (Big or small) that have been thrown about.

Yeah. It's funny to me that the Rondo's and Smart's of the world get thrown around there when VanVleet is obviously just a better player, who is younger, cheaper, and presents more upside. Don't understand why anybody would want either of the other 2 before VanVleet. He was very well coached in college, stayed for a long time, and makes the smart play. I would be more than comfortable rolling with him, Knight, and Okobo as the 3 PGs next season. Between VanVleet and Okobo, we at least have 2 solid PG options who are playable going forward, and neither would stand in the way of getting a true stud if one became available (like if Portland decided to part with Lillard).

Van Fleeon a 4/50 contract could be an excellent asset in a Lillard or CJ trade in the future. Man, he may be the best option and the most gettable rfa due to the raps cap situation.

Van fleet is not a starting caliber pg u are nuts ! Payton and Knight are better

[AtheJ415]

Had a nice little back-and-forth with Evan Sidery, yeah.... as much as i hate to admit it, i think PatBev is staying.

I hate when i have great ideas that only last 48 hours (Even though ive been on the PatBev bandwagon for much much much longer).

I do have to say that my 2nd choice in the "Who Will Be The Suns Next Starting PG" would have to be Fred VanVleet.



While he doesnt have the size or grit of Pat, he still is a great defender and 3 point shooter who can also run a team. Im looking for players that can check all 3 of those boxes, and there are very very very few of them, but Fred is one. The small sample size does scare me a bit, but he is far and away a better choice than many of the names (Big or small) that have been thrown about.

Yeah. It's funny to me that the Rondo's and Smart's of the world get thrown around there when VanVleet is obviously just a better player, who is younger, cheaper, and presents more upside. Don't understand why anybody would want either of the other 2 before VanVleet. He was very well coached in college, stayed for a long time, and makes the smart play. I would be more than comfortable rolling with him, Knight, and Okobo as the 3 PGs next season. Between VanVleet and Okobo, we at least have 2 solid PG options who are playable going forward, and neither would stand in the way of getting a true stud if one became available (like if Portland decided to part with Lillard).

Van Fleeon a 4/50 contract could be an excellent asset in a Lillard or CJ trade in the future. Man, he may be the best option and the most gettable rfa due to the raps cap situation.

I don't think it will take that to get him. He was a really good backup next year but is unproven as a starter. I think 4/34 is as high as I would go. Also, he may sign for less to come here where he could start. Though it likely depends on how movable Lowry is. He may prefer to stay in Toronto if they guarantee they will move Lowry since he would easily start at that point.

[lilfishi22]

Yeah. It's funny to me that the Rondo's and Smart's of the world get thrown around there when VanVleet is obviously just a better player, who is younger, cheaper, and presents more upside. Don't understand why anybody would want either of the other 2 before VanVleet. He was very well coached in college, stayed for a long time, and makes the smart play. I would be more than comfortable rolling with him, Knight, and Okobo as the 3 PGs next season. Between VanVleet and Okobo, we at least have 2 solid PG options who are playable going forward, and neither would stand in the way of getting a true stud if one became available (like if Portland decided to part with Lillard).

Van Fleeon a 4/50 contract could be an excellent asset in a Lillard or CJ trade in the future. Man, he may be the best option and the most gettable rfa due to the raps cap situation.

Van fleet is not a starting caliber pg u are nuts ! Payton and Knight are better

[AtheJ415]

Yeah. It's funny to me that the Rondo's and Smart's of the world get thrown around there when VanVleet is obviously just a better player, who is younger, cheaper, and presents more upside. Don't understand why anybody would want either of the other 2 before VanVleet. He was very well coached in college, stayed for a long time, and makes the smart play. I would be more than comfortable rolling with him, Knight, and Okobo as the 3 PGs next season. Between VanVleet and Okobo, we at least have 2 solid PG options who are playable going forward, and neither would stand in the way of getting a true stud if one became available (like if Portland decided to part with Lillard).

Van Fleeon a 4/50 contract could be an excellent asset in a Lillard or CJ trade in the future. Man, he may be the best option and the most gettable rfa due to the raps cap situation.

Van fleet is not a starting caliber pg u are nuts ! Payton and Knight are better

I'd like to see how Payton does with a coach like Igor, but they aren't better. VanVleet might be the best defender on that Raptors team. His defense is worlds ahead of both Payton and Knight, and his 3 point shooting is better also. He's not the athlete either of them are but few PGs in the NBA are. Payton and Knight should be much better than they are but they simply are not because Payton can't defend the PnR and refused to cut his hair and Knight can't help but take awful shots after dribbling 8 times.

[Desertfox]

Its not a Suns offseason if we don't pick up an ex-wildcat guard and with the 76ers having like 10 PGs shouldn't be too hard to trade for TJ McConnell.

[bwgood77]

The post I mentioned a few posts from above...found it.

I had meant to write about this guy a few times, but stopped myself because he is so worthless that it makes little sense to waste energy on it. Especially with the few remaining Rondo fans who must really be in denial about the guy - I can't believe there's people who still make excuses for him.

I had actually been fine with his attitude since that one game suspension. He has flaws in his game, but it was something we had to live with. As long as he was engaged with the team and tried his best, I was fine with it. I even agreed that Carlisle should have lived with some mistakes and not have pulled him out as soon as he sometimes did during the regular season.

I don't think too many Mavs fans were delusional in thinking the team that started the season was going somewhere, so I am still fine with the move for Rondo. Not that I was a fan of him, but it was a move that you'd make, the potential reward was there - he supposedly brought defense. Even after the trade, I doubt many Mavs fans became delusional into thinking we would suddenly be a favourite. Personally, all I have wanted is some more defense and toughness. I'm happy enough with solid chemistry and players competing at their hardest. That's all most fans really ask for.

I enjoyed the Mavs season where the purpose ended up getting to .500 and shave the beards. We played Mike James of all people. The team competed. No turmoil. I respected their effort. Rondo brought so much negativity and unrest that it was unreal for a franchise that has had great stability and a positive environment. Even in down years since the title with a huge roster turnover, I think despite not reallistically being in the top tier, we still .

I don't hold a grudge against Odom. I am not sure I will be able to say the same about Rondo.

Now, these playoffs. This is a whole different story from what happened in the RS.

This is the best thing Carlisle has done all series. Pull this guy out. And thankfully... out of the Mavs entirely. The best news all season will end up being that Rondo was a free agent... imagine if he wasn't. We would have had to pay more for him and now we'd be stuck with a cancer that we'd have to pay not to play or pay some team to take him off our hands.

I was screaming for him to pull him out the game. He was CLEARLY hurting the team on purpose. This was instinctive to me from very very early on in the game. The guy didn't even have any intensity when making those silly fouls and picking up the technical. If you saw some 'fire' or anything like that, you could give him a pass... 'he's engaged', but no... the guy was simply being selfish and pathetic.

Remember, he closed the first half gifting two free throws. He comes back and gifted another four free throws. He had half time to think. Refresh his ideas... and look at what he did when he was back on the floor. This is so bizarre to think about. All the team talk, all those minutes to clean your head... and he came back determined to ruin the team.

How shameful can the guy be. Seriously.

Now... what he did was the most shocking thing I have seen. To quit during a playoff game. Ok, he doesn't care about the Mavs or about his teammates. Fine. But does the guy know that he was embarrassing himself? That he probably cost himself a lot of money?

What a joke.

It's very obvious he has mental issues. So for that alone, I'll try really hard to wish him the best in the future.

Who am I kidding? It's impossible to wish him the best. F*** Rondo. And whoever is dumb enough to sign him to a multi year deal, I hope they get burned.

I compiled his final 10 minutes as a Mav. The guy was a combined -36 in these two games vs the Rockets. He was playing against 58 year old Jason Terry on offense.

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[Wilber85]

Van Fleet - 5'11
20 mpg
8.6 ppg
3.2 apg
41 % from 3 pt last year
42 % fg last year
.9 steals

Elfrid Payton - 6'4
28 mpg
12.7 ppg
6.2 apg
33 % 3 point shooting (37% in Orlando)
50% fg
1.3 spg

I would take Elfrid Payton over Van Fleet as a starter any day of the week. He is starting to know the offense, and I think he has potential.

Brandon Knight I didn't provide because he hasn't played for a bit.

[jredsaz]

Yeah. It's funny to me that the Rondo's and Smart's of the world get thrown around there when VanVleet is obviously just a better player, who is younger, cheaper, and presents more upside. Don't understand why anybody would want either of the other 2 before VanVleet. He was very well coached in college, stayed for a long time, and makes the smart play. I would be more than comfortable rolling with him, Knight, and Okobo as the 3 PGs next season. Between VanVleet and Okobo, we at least have 2 solid PG options who are playable going forward, and neither would stand in the way of getting a true stud if one became available (like if Portland decided to part with Lillard).

Van Fleeon a 4/50 contract could be an excellent asset in a Lillard or CJ trade in the future. Man, he may be the best option and the most gettable rfa due to the raps cap situation.

I don't think it will take that to get him. He was a really good backup next year but is unproven as a starter. I think 4/34 is as high as I would go. Also, he may sign for less to come here where he could start. Though it likely depends on how movable Lowry is. He may prefer to stay in Toronto if they guarantee they will move Lowry since he would easily start at that point.

Oh - meant to type 4/40.

[jredsaz]

Yeah. It's funny to me that the Rondo's and Smart's of the world get thrown around there when VanVleet is obviously just a better player, who is younger, cheaper, and presents more upside. Don't understand why anybody would want either of the other 2 before VanVleet. He was very well coached in college, stayed for a long time, and makes the smart play. I would be more than comfortable rolling with him, Knight, and Okobo as the 3 PGs next season. Between VanVleet and Okobo, we at least have 2 solid PG options who are playable going forward, and neither would stand in the way of getting a true stud if one became available (like if Portland decided to part with Lillard).

Van Fleeon a 4/50 contract could be an excellent asset in a Lillard or CJ trade in the future. Man, he may be the best option and the most gettable rfa due to the raps cap situation.

Van fleet is not a starting caliber pg u are nuts ! Payton and Knight are better

Have to admit the idea is growing on me.

[bigfoot]

Van Fleet - 5'11
20 mpg
8.6 ppg
3.2 apg
41 % from 3 pt last year
42 % fg last year
.9 steals

Elfrid Payton - 6'4
28 mpg
12.7 ppg
6.2 apg
33 % 3 point shooting (37% in Orlando)
50% fg
1.3 spg

I would take Elfrid Payton over Van Fleet as a starter any day of the week. He is starting to know the offense, and I think he has potential.

Brandon Knight I didn't provide because he hasn't played for a bit.

He starting to know the offense?? Payton started to know Triano's offense. Not so much for Kokoshkov. Payton is worthless on both defense and three point shooting. If he had one of those down then he would be helpful. No way on Payton. VanVleet >>> Payton.

[Blonde]

I wouldn’t feel good about locking up Van Vleet for the next 3 to 4 years at the salary it will take to do so. We should be aiming for more than mediocrity at that position. Rondo for one year keeps options open and if he is a cancer then you waive him and eat the salary. If we can’t swing a trade for Lowry/Kemba/whoever else then save money and be spenders in 2019.

Ariza will be looking for a deal similar to what Iggy signed last year, and probably get it. A large one year deal isn’t going to cut it if he can get more guaranteed cash elsewhere. Even if the market isn’t that high on him I expect he would like to remain on a contender rather than take a short deal here.

Aaron Gordon is probably the guy McD is focused on right now, and I’d be okay with that because at least it fits a need and there’s a ton of upside. Orlando has an Isaac/Bamba frontcourt and they are known to make dumb decisions. They also don’t have a point guard. We may be able to swing a sign&trade of Knight/Warren/Mil pick for AG on a 4 year deal. Then we’d still have cap space for a point guard.

[jredsaz]

Let's just sign Ariza and one other player to a couple giant 1 year deals and punt to next FA class. There just are such better options next FA. I think if you present Booker with the actual plan for next offseason and the space we would have at that point if we manage things correctly and the targets with that space, he will put off the extension out of obvious competitive viability. It wouldn't change the money for him since it kicks in after next year anyways.

Listen to the new Lowe pod. Their discussions regarding 2019 free agency isn't great. There are lots of good players available but also lots of teams with lots of money. It's going to be a very competitive market place.

[bwoolf2]

Let's just sign Ariza and one other player to a couple giant 1 year deals and punt to next FA class. There just are such better options next FA. I think if you present Booker with the actual plan for next offseason and the space we would have at that point if we manage things correctly and the targets with that space, he will put off the extension out of obvious competitive viability. It wouldn't change the money for him since it kicks in after next year anyways.

Listen to the new Lowe pod. Their discussions regarding 2019 free agency isn't great. There are lots of good players available but also lots of teams with lots of money. It's going to be a very competitive market place.

its certainly better than this year and a number of teams will blow a lot of that cap space this year, considering we have a 0 percent chance at any of the top free agents this year and their is a massive drop off after them. I dont even think most of the FA after the top 5 to 7 are starting caliber players this year.

[lilfishi22]

Van Fleet - 5'11
20 mpg
8.6 ppg
3.2 apg
41 % from 3 pt last year
42 % fg last year
.9 steals

Elfrid Payton - 6'4
28 mpg
12.7 ppg
6.2 apg
33 % 3 point shooting (37% in Orlando)
50% fg
1.3 spg

I would take Elfrid Payton over Van Fleet as a starter any day of the week. He is starting to know the offense, and I think he has potential.

Brandon Knight I didn't provide because he hasn't played for a bit.

Van Fleet - 5'11
15.5 ppg per36
5.8 apg per36
4.4rpg per36
41.4% from 3 pt last year (3.4 attempts)
42 % fg last year
83.2FT%
55.6TS%
52.5eFG%
1.6 steals per36
1.8 turnovers per36
3.22 Ast:TO
2.60 ORPM
0.80 DRPM
3.40 RPM

Elfrid Payton - 6'4
15.9 ppg per36
7.8 apg per36
5.5rpg per36
32.6% from 3 pt (1.5 attempts)
49.3% fg last year
64.9FT%
53.8TS%
51.6eFG%
1.7 steals per36
3.3 turnovers per36
2.36 Ast:TO
-0.11 ORPM
-1.95 DRPM
-2.06 RPM