Suns Offseason Thread 2: The Hunt for a Blazer Continues!

[AtheJ415]

Well, SA fans are certainly tweeting...these are in response to my tweets...I'm sure more are to come.

@aldridge_12 Screw the suns aldridge. Learn to win championships with San Antonio.

I think if people are respectful if they tweet him with solid stuff it could help a little...don't be like the guy above. It likely won't make a difference, but if he thinks the Spurs fan EXPECT a championship and we just want someone to help us get there, I think that's a good thing.

I have been doing my part as a Suns Fan by tweeting LMA and encouraging him to sign here. Trying to hit a nerve that makes him think a lot more of the Suns.
I think LMA makes his decision after the weekend. If he was already decided, why would he waste his time with meeting with the Lakers again and have dinner with the Heat.
I love this picture.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/YehyaHamzeh/status/616792285720678400[/tweet]

If you were going to do that, you'd need to emphasize that he's not the face of the franchise. Say things like, "you can follow in the footsteps of Duncan", or "you'd be the best #2 in the league behind Kawhi".


I feel like someone should make a fake Twitter account, tell LMA he better choose the Spurs or he'll be forgotten. Tell em he can HELP the Spurs win more championships. Be a snobby Spurs fan. Honestly, the past 3 or so seasons most Spurs fans are just bandwagon/fairweather fans. Almost as bad as the Lakers fan of the 2000's.

[Moochthemonkey]

Sign and trade Tucker, McNeal, Leuer +2nd round pick to Dallas for Chandler.

I don't think this is possible. Tucker + Mcneal + Leuer = 7.38 million. Draft picks do not have any salary attached to them in trades. 150% of this value (11.07 million) can be acquired from this trade, at a maximum. The Chandler deal is worth 52/4; taking account 4.5% salary raises his salary would start at 12.1 million. Goodwin or Booker would be need to thrown into the mix or Chandler would need to take about 5 million less overall.

with the new CBA I think it's a hard $5 million and not 150%. Meaning we need to send out $7 million to acquire a player making $12 million. 150% is for a trade for someone under 9 or 10 mill from what I remember, with $5 mill being that 9 or 10 to 13 or 14 I think, and some other number for guys above that amount.

From how I understand the CBA, it's a hard 5 million + outgoing salary when the outgoing salaries are 9.8-19.6 million. 150% if the outgoing aggregate salary is under 9.8 million (which it would be in the above scenario). The Suns would have to send out about 8.1 million minimum if they want to acquire Chandler for 4/52 starting at 12.1.

[AtheJ415]

I don't think this is possible. Tucker + Mcneal + Leuer = 7.38 million. Draft picks do not have any salary attached to them in trades. 150% of this value (11.07 million) can be acquired from this trade, at a maximum. The Chandler deal is worth 52/4; taking account 4.5% salary raises his salary would start at 12.1 million. Goodwin or Booker would be need to thrown into the mix or Chandler would need to take about 5 million less overall.

with the new CBA I think it's a hard $5 million and not 150%. Meaning we need to send out $7 million to acquire a player making $12 million. 150% is for a trade for someone under 9 or 10 mill from what I remember, with $5 mill being that 9 or 10 to 13 or 14 I think, and some other number for guys above that amount.

From how I understand the CBA, it's a hard 5 million + outgoing salary when the outgoing salaries are 9.8-19.6 million. 150% if the outgoing aggregate salary is under 9.8 million (which it would be in the above scenario). The Suns would have to send out about 8.1 million minimum if they want to acquire Chandler for 4/52 starting at 12.1.

Isn't the cap possibly going up $2 million more than expected though? That would allow us to keep Archie and Booker, correct?

[WeekapaugGroove]

I still find it weird that people think Len, or any player, can't develop in practice going up against a guy like Chandler every day, instead of playing more minutes in games. Also, if we miss on Aldridge I'm pretty sure you'll see Len play the 4 some.

I really hope they try the chandler and len together some. Chandler moves well enough to guard 4s and offensively len can play some away from the basket. The two of them together would be an insane rim protecting combo.

Would like to see chandler play 28 mins at c and len 20 at c and 10 or so at pf. They would always have 1 of the 2 on the floor achoring the d.

[AtheJ415]

Or if we trade Markieff for Porzingis.

[Flying Colors]

how much can a team back load a contract?

[Moochthemonkey]

Well, SA fans are certainly tweeting...these are in response to my tweets...I'm sure more are to come.

@aldridge_12 Screw the suns aldridge. Learn to win championships with San Antonio.

I think if people are respectful if they tweet him with solid stuff it could help a little...don't be like the guy above. It likely won't make a difference, but if he thinks the Spurs fan EXPECT a championship and we just want someone to help us get there, I think that's a good thing.

I have been doing my part as a Suns Fan by tweeting LMA and encouraging him to sign here. Trying to hit a nerve that makes him think a lot more of the Suns.
I think LMA makes his decision after the weekend. If he was already decided, why would he waste his time with meeting with the Lakers again and have dinner with the Heat.
I love this picture.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/YehyaHamzeh/status/616792285720678400[/tweet]

I feel like someone should make a fake Twitter account, tell LMA he better choose the Spurs or he'll be forgotten. Tell em he can HELP the Spurs win more championships. Be a snobby Spurs fan. Honestly, the past 3 or so seasons most Spurs fans are just bandwagon/fairweather fans. Almost as bad as the Lakers fan of the 2000's.

on the real tho, the man has half a million followers. He's probably getting thousands of tweets a day right now. LMA be all like

[Moochthemonkey]

with the new CBA I think it's a hard $5 million and not 150%. Meaning we need to send out $7 million to acquire a player making $12 million. 150% is for a trade for someone under 9 or 10 mill from what I remember, with $5 mill being that 9 or 10 to 13 or 14 I think, and some other number for guys above that amount.

From how I understand the CBA, it's a hard 5 million + outgoing salary when the outgoing salaries are 9.8-19.6 million. 150% if the outgoing aggregate salary is under 9.8 million (which it would be in the above scenario). The Suns would have to send out about 8.1 million minimum if they want to acquire Chandler for 4/52 starting at 12.1.

Isn't the cap possibly going up $2 million more than expected though? That would allow us to keep Archie and Booker, correct?

Yes, but it's not because of the cap. Those rules above only applies to players that we sign or trade for. We can keep Archie and Booker regardless of what the cap is. We can even resign them to hypothetical max deals if they were RFA because we have their rights. That's why we can resign B-Knight to a 70/5 (exceeding the cap) even after Chandler and Aldridge have signed, and why Cleveland can afford three max contracts plus Tristan Thompson at 5/80, Shumpert at 4/40, Haywood at 10, Varejao at another amount.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Putting the cart before the horse.

How do we play up tempo with LMA and Chandler.

[Moochthemonkey]

how much can a team back load a contract?

that depends, but not too much. The larger the contract, the more backloaded (or frontloaded) a contract can be. Up to 7.5% raises per year for a player that's been with the team for 2+ years otherwise 4.5% raises. The same maximum applies for frontloaded contracts/paycuts I think

[Qwigglez]

Now I gotta deal with idiot Spurs fans on Twitter. Great. Shouldn't have tweeted.

[MrMiyagi]

Putting the cart before the horse.

How do we play up tempo with LMA and Chandler.

Don't care about the pace. Do care about ball movement.

[AtheJ415]

From how I understand the CBA, it's a hard 5 million + outgoing salary when the outgoing salaries are 9.8-19.6 million. 150% if the outgoing aggregate salary is under 9.8 million (which it would be in the above scenario). The Suns would have to send out about 8.1 million minimum if they want to acquire Chandler for 4/52 starting at 12.1.

Isn't the cap possibly going up $2 million more than expected though? That would allow us to keep Archie and Booker, correct?

Yes, but it's not because of the cap. Those rules above only applies to players that we sign or trade for. We can keep Archie and Booker regardless of what the cap is. We can even resign them to hypothetical max deals if they were RFA because we have their rights. That's why we can resign B-Knight to a 70/5 (exceeding the cap) even after Chandler and Aldridge have signed, and why Cleveland can afford three max contracts plus Tristan Thompson at 5/80, Shumpert at 4/40, Haywood at 10, Varejao at another amount.

Not talking about bird rights at all. I'm asking if having 2 mill more in cap space means we can avoid including either in a S&T for Chandler.

For instance, if the extra 2 mil put us "under the cap", we'd have to trade even dollars to remain under the cap, correct?

If the extra 2 mil was there and we were still "over the cap", we'd have to still trade within $5 mil.

So I'm wondering if the extra 2 mil would help us at all. A strict reading of the rules suggests no, but intuitively it should save us from having to get rid of $2 mil.

[SunsRback4Good]

Whatever happens, please no Josh Smith.

Ummmmm okay, because he wasn't a monster in the playoffs that helped carry the helpless Rockets over Clipps and did his part vs Warriors. Smith should of been a Sun 5 years ago and even if he's 38 I'd still take him cause he spaces the floor and knocks down 3's. Smith could've seriously led us to the promise land something Barkley, KJ, Nash, Amare, Chapman couldn't do. Why can't we just give him a chance to prove his haters wrong?

















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[batsmasher]

Putting the cart before the horse.

How do we play up tempo with LMA and Chandler.

Get the medical staff to inject them with horse urine or something.

[MrMiyagi]

Whatever happens, please no Josh Smith.

Ummmmm okauy, because he wasn't a monster in the playoffs that helped carry the helpless Rockets over Clipps and did his part vs Warriors. Smith should of been a Sun 5 years ago and even if he's 38 I'd still take him cause he spaces the floor and knocks down 3's. Smith could seriously lead us to the promise land something barkley, KJ, Nash, Amare, Chapman couldn't do. Why can't we just give him a chance to prove his haters wrong?

















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I read this and thought, Josh Smith is 38?!

[Qwigglez]

on the real tho, the man has half a million followers. He's probably getting thousands of tweets a day right now.

Whenever I tweet the Suns they always respond back. Paul Coro too. Dudley as well. Even Larry Fitzgerald (I tweeted em one time, he responded once). It's not hard to communicate with your fans now a days and I'm sure they read all their tweets (or most of em, lol.)

[SunsRback4Good]

Whatever happens, please no Josh Smith.

Ummmmm okauy, because he wasn't a monster in the playoffs that helped carry the helpless Rockets over Clipps and did his part vs Warriors. Smith should of been a Sun 5 years ago and even if he's 38 I'd still take him cause he spaces the floor and knocks down 3's. Smith could seriously lead us to the promise land something barkley, KJ, Nash, Amare, Chapman couldn't do. Why can't we just give him a chance to prove his haters wrong?

















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I read this and thought, Josh Smith is 38?!

I meant if he was 38.

[MrMiyagi]

Putting the cart before the horse.

How do we play up tempo with LMA and Chandler.

Get the medical staff to inject them with horse urine or something.

How much for the premium grade American Pharoah?

[SunsRback4Good]

on the real tho, the man has half a million followers. He's probably getting thousands of tweets a day right now.

Whenever I tweet the Suns they always respond back. Paul Coro too. Dudley as well. Even Larry Fitzgerald (I tweeted em one time, he responded once). It's not hard to communicate with your fans now a days and I'm sure they read all their tweets (or most of em, lol.)

You should tweet something negative to Kieff so he can respond within a minute.