Suns Offseason Thread 3: Spurned for the Spurs

[jredsaz]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/618748895837978624[/tweet]

Eric Bledsoe $13.50
PJ Tucker $5.50
Alex Len $3.80
Brandon Knight $8.87 (Cap Hold)
Markieff Morris $8.00
TJ Warren $2.04
Archie Goodwin $1.16
Devin Booker $1.77
John Leuer $1.01
Tyson Chandler $12.10
Total $57.75
Salary Cap $69.10
Salary Room $11.35

Obviously this is before the Knight signing, but what am I missing? $6,9 million is just very low from what I have looked at. Used only guaranteed contracts and salaries from Hoopshype and Sport Track.

[Qwigglez]

^I signed with the Suns yesterday for 5mil. I heard they were looking for PG's so I sent them my compilation video of me hooping at the local Y.

[Walt_Uoob]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/618748895837978624[/tweet]

Eric Bledsoe $13.50
PJ Tucker $5.50
Alex Len $3.80
Brandon Knight $8.87 (Cap Hold)
Markieff Morris $8.00
TJ Warren $2.04
Archie Goodwin $1.16
Devin Booker $1.77
John Leuer $1.01
Tyson Chandler $12.10
Total $57.75
Salary Cap $69.10
Salary Room $11.35

Obviously this is before the Knight signing, but what am I missing? $6,9 million is just very low from what I have looked at. Used only guaranteed contracts and salaries from Hoopshype and Sport Track.

I guess we'd have about $6.9m left after signing Knight.

[JMac1]

Well that will be a matter of opinion as to what we are looking for in a deep bench player. Alec did average two blocks a game in the DLeague, and we know he has range, so it might be worth signing, and keep him mainly in the DLeague to develop more of a game.

It has taken me a while, but I am learning to ignore opinions that I find ridiculous. The guy injured his shoulder and missed significant time.....supposedly he has gained weight and his D League coach said he looked really good, but hey you know the guys here were watching every game and knows what he brings inside and out

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2015/07/07/alec-brown-ready-to-show-suns-that-he-can-play/29840593/

I guess just you and I are willing to take a look without going in there expecting failure, thus seeing failure no matter what he does because we are looking to for it.

I don't give a crap what some young player has done in his first year, to go in there and not give the guy the benefit of the doubt that he has improved is absolutely insane and says a lot about a persons character.

Thank god, most of the posters in here are not high school coaches. I'd never want to play for them; I guess that's why I am a coach.....and a damn good one at that

[jredsaz]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/618748895837978624[/tweet]

Eric Bledsoe $13.50
PJ Tucker $5.50
Alex Len $3.80
Brandon Knight $8.87 (Cap Hold)
Markieff Morris $8.00
TJ Warren $2.04
Archie Goodwin $1.16
Devin Booker $1.77
John Leuer $1.01
Tyson Chandler $12.10
Total $57.75
Salary Cap $69.10
Salary Room $11.35

Obviously this is before the Knight signing, but what am I missing? $6,9 million is just very low from what I have looked at. Used only guaranteed contracts and salaries from Hoopshype and Sport Track.

I guess we'd have about $6.9m left after signing Knight.

That has got to be it. Thank you Bobby Marks for sending out yet another meaningless tweet

[jcsunsfan]

So what if: Tristan Thompson and the Cavs can't come to an agreement.
LeBron says that he is gone then.

Do you go for it? I would be torn. I have come to hate LeBron, as much for Rich Paul as for anything. The idea of blackmailing your own team, and providing leverage for a fellow client of your agent seems underhanded to me. But he is LeBron.

[RunDogGun]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/618748895837978624[/tweet]

Eric Bledsoe $13.50
PJ Tucker $5.50
Alex Len $3.80
Brandon Knight $8.87 (Cap Hold)
Markieff Morris $8.00
TJ Warren $2.04
Archie Goodwin $1.16
Devin Booker $1.77
John Leuer $1.01
Tyson Chandler $12.10
Total $57.75
Salary Cap $69.10
Salary Room $11.35

Obviously this is before the Knight signing, but what am I missing? $6,9 million is just very low from what I have looked at. Used only guaranteed contracts and salaries from Hoopshype and Sport Track.

Don't we still owe Beasley $778k this season?

[carey]

Thank god, most of the posters in here are not high school coaches. I'd never want to play for them; I guess that's why I am a coach.....and a damn good one at that

I hope you roll your eyes less at your players than you do at the posters on this board.

[RunDogGun]

Well that will be a matter of opinion as to what we are looking for in a deep bench player. Alec did average two blocks a game in the DLeague, and we know he has range, so it might be worth signing, and keep him mainly in the DLeague to develop more of a game.

It has taken me a while, but I am learning to ignore opinions that I find ridiculous. The guy injured his shoulder and missed significant time.....supposedly he has gained weight and his D League coach said he looked really good, but hey you know the guys here were watching every game and knows what he brings inside and out

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2015/07/07/alec-brown-ready-to-show-suns-that-he-can-play/29840593/

I guess just you and I are willing to take a look without going in there expecting failure, thus seeing failure no matter what he does because we are looking to for it.

I don't give a crap what some young player has done in his first year, to go in there and not give the guy the benefit of the doubt that he has improved is absolutely insane and says a lot about a persons character.

Thank god, most of the posters in here are not high school coaches. I'd never want to play for them; I guess that's why I am a coach.....and a damn good one at that

I don't know how good of a coach I was, for anytime you are a coach and a teacher, you are bound to get a negative stigma, because you also assign homework. But I did find that I had many players improve greatly while I was their coach, so there is that. Plus I became such a better player after coaching and taking many coaches' clinics.

I've watched Brown a few times, and before his injury he moved very well for his size. He has a decent form in his shot, he just didn't seem to really work the transition from college three to pro three. But the mechanics are there. His defense wasn't horrible. He may be a bit thin (or was in last year's SL), so maybe he got pushed around a bit from bigger players. But overall, he does a good job with blocks, so there is some antisipation of shot release, and decent timing getting in position to make the block.

So what's not to like? Sure he is raw, but he has range, and blocks, and he has height. So he needs to work on rebounding and rebounding position. Work on boxing out, and work on defense with his feet. All of that is teachable/coachable. The shoulder injury is unfortunate. I have one currently, and my shot is wonky right now.

But if we are talking a third string PF/C, learning from Chandler, and we have the draft rights? I don't get the hate.

[carey]

Don't we still owe Beasley $778k this season?

Yeah. I do believe it's the last year of it though.

[RunDogGun]

Thank god, most of the posters in here are not high school coaches. I'd never want to play for them; I guess that's why I am a coach.....and a damn good one at that

I hope you roll your eyes less at your players than you do at the posters on this board.

Never a need, when you can make the whole squad run suicides.

[King Bynum]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/618748895837978624[/tweet]

Eric Bledsoe $13.50
PJ Tucker $5.50
Alex Len $3.80
Brandon Knight $8.87 (Cap Hold)
Markieff Morris $8.00
TJ Warren $2.04
Archie Goodwin $1.16
Devin Booker $1.77
John Leuer $1.01
Tyson Chandler $12.10
Total $57.75
Salary Cap $69.10
Salary Room $11.35

Obviously this is before the Knight signing, but what am I missing? $6,9 million is just very low from what I have looked at. Used only guaranteed contracts and salaries from Hoopshype and Sport Track.

I guess we'd have about $6.9m left after signing Knight.

We only have 10 on the roster, but because the minimum roster size is 13, there are minimum contract sized cap holds ($525k) counted for those 3 open roster spots. So that's an additional $1.5M. Plus $778k or for Beasley, and our total salary should be around $70.2M or so. I think in his calculations the cap is also a couple million less than $69.10M, because there's no certainty of the actual figure.

Assuming the cap is $69M, we should have around 8.9 million in space.

[carey]

Never a need, when you can make the whole squad run suicides.

I wonder how many of the posters here could do a set of suicides? I'd go with less than half, me being one of them. I'm too old and my body is way too broken these days.

[SSOL]

Am I mistaken or did someone just brag about...being a high school coach?

[RunDogGun]

Never a need, when you can make the whole squad run suicides.

I wonder how many of the posters here could do a set of suicides? I'd go with less than half, me being one of them. I'm too old and my body is way too broken these days.

Mine is too. But at the end of my practices, I ran them with my players. I guess I wanted them to know that I wasn't asking them to do things I wasn't willing to do myself.

When I coached football, I also geared up in full pads and ran practice with them. Pretty tough AZ in August and September.

[RunDogGun]

Am I mistaken or did someone just brag about...being a high school coach?

What's wrong with being a high school coach? With players often doing a one and done, high school coaching has become more important. Having a good high school coach, one who teaches the fundamental skills needed, a player can transition better going to the pros. Right?

[King4Day]

So what if: Tristan Thompson and the Cavs can't come to an agreement.
LeBron says that he is gone then.

Do you go for it? I would be torn. I have come to hate LeBron, as much for Rich Paul as for anything. The idea of blackmailing your own team, and providing leverage for a fellow client of your agent seems underhanded to me. But he is LeBron.

Then many a team will make a run at him. However, Thompson is not the type of player who would decide whether or not LeBron leaves Cleveland again.

The better 'what if' would be, if they can't come to an agreement with Thompson, would people be willing to deal Kieff for Thompson?
We'd be overpaying TT but my understanding is, he's a better defender and not a headcase.

[gaspar]

Eric Bledsoe $13.50
PJ Tucker $5.50
Alex Len $3.80
Brandon Knight $8.87 (Cap Hold)
Markieff Morris $8.00
TJ Warren $2.04
Archie Goodwin $1.16
Devin Booker $1.77
John Leuer $1.01
Tyson Chandler $12.10
Total $57.75
Salary Cap $69.10
Salary Room $11.35

Obviously this is before the Knight signing, but what am I missing? $6,9 million is just very low from what I have looked at. Used only guaranteed contracts and salaries from Hoopshype and Sport Track.

I guess we'd have about $6.9m left after signing Knight.

We only have 10 on the roster, but because the minimum roster size is 13, there are minimum contract sized cap holds ($525k) counted for those 3 open roster spots. So that's an additional $1.5M. Plus $778k or for Beasley, and our total salary should be around $70.2M or so. I think in his calculations the cap is also a couple million less than $69.10M, because there's no certainty of the actual figure.

Assuming the cap is $69M, we should have around 8.9 million in space.

Yup, that' most likely the case.

- old, official salary cap projection at $67M
- Beasley's waived and stretched contract
- incomplete roster charges
- Tyson's contract at flat $13M per year(?)

[SSOL]

Am I mistaken or did someone just brag about...being a high school coach?

What's wrong with being a high school coach? With players often doing a one and done, high school coaching has become more important. Having a good high school coach, one who teaches the fundamental skills needed, a player can transition better going to the pros. Right?

I didn't say anything is wrong with being a high school coach. I asked if someone bragged about it and put other posters down because their opinions/takes are not rooted at the almighty high school level.

[carey]

The better 'what if' would be, if they can't come to an agreement with Thompson, would people be willing to deal Kieff for Thompson?
We'd be overpaying TT but my understanding is, he's a better defender and not a headcase.

TT wants the same deal that Draymond Green got. Are you comfortable with TT on a 5/$82M deal? $16M+ a year? Double Markieff's salary just for a few more rebounds & slightly better post defense? The kid has no offensive game either. So it's not like you're getting Draymond's versatility.