Almost off-season discussion! Trades/Free Agency Ep. 9

[jredsaz]

How about...
Suns 2018 Pick 16
Suns Unprotected 2019 Pick
Bucks First round 2019 Pick

for

Lonzo Ball
Deng

Lakers going to field 3 max contracts for Paul George, Lebron James and Cousins


Suns run

G: Ball
G: Booker
F: Jackson
F: Chriss
C: Ayton

That's an extreme take but I like where your head is at. Ball or Ingram are an expensive ask in return for cap space. I would be fine adding value to a Ball or Ongram smd deng package. The contract is bad but that talent os legit.

[Revived]

He is. I assumed he was talking about waiting. But I don't think we will have room for whatever his max would be at that point. It would probably start at over $30 million. Maybe if Booker held off but I doubt they will happen. They will probably hold a press conference for the Booker extension this summer or something.

I think with the money we will get from Chandler/Dudley/Sauce all expiring (assuming we pick up Sauce’s guaranteed money for this upcoming season), shouldn’t we have one max slot open next summer even if Booker signed his extension this summer?

Or would one of Warren/Knight still need to be moved for that?

I figured it all out on capulator a while back, but it would require a lot of things to happen for us to even carve out like $20 million, including:

Letting all the non guaranteed guys go (Ulis, Sauce, Peters, Reed, etc)

Not signing anyone this summer for more than one year.

And stretching Knight.

And when I figured it out I think I was using the salary of the 4th pick slot, not the 1st.

Basically, if we sign Booker to his extension AND sign any other FA for more than one year, it would be difficult to create max space, though there would be other things you could do like just Bender or Chriss or Warren purely for space.

And if we trade picks for players or anything that will take away their space.

When I figured it out, it was only like $20 million that I was able to get to, and Kyrie's max will probably start out around $30 +or more, considering he falls into the 7-9 year max slot (starts at 30% cap). https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/03/early-maximum-salary-projections-for-201819.html

We'd also probably have to trade our 1st round pick next year because there would be a hold for that.

I just am not sure they can get to the 9+ year max slot.

Wow I thought our cap space was actually well managed. For being the worst team in the league, we ought to have more cap flexibility imo.

The Brandon Knight contract is the worst one. And it kills me everytime I see it when opening up the espn trade machine.

It’s probably not wise but I hate it so much that I’d trade away even our 31st pick to get rid of him.

If Jackson continues to improve and Warren continues to refuse to extend his range and play defense then I hope we can trade him at the deadline for a mid 1st or so and clear up some cap room that way as well.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Anyone check out the Trade Board where someone has us getting Kyrie, Boston getting Lebron, and Cavs getting picks. I would certainly do that deal.

Irving / Knight
Booker / Reed
Jackson / Warren
Bender / Chriss
Ayton / Williams

We could be a playoff team if Irving stays healthy!

What's the deal?

I saw it. Looked a little too good for us but even though it felt lopsided it didn't really seem terribly lopsided in a bad way for the other teams...

To Boston
-LeBron James

To Phoenix
-Kyrie Irving

To Cleveland
-2019 Sacramento 1st (15-30 protected) or the 2019 Memphis 1st
-2019 Milwaukee 1st
-2021 Miami 1st
-Tyson Chandler
-Marcus Morris
-Abdel Nader
-Semi Ojeleye
-Guerschon Yabusele

I don't think Boston will move on from Kyrie though.

The kyrie deal is interesting. Its unlikely but if LeBron forced his way to Boston and kyrie wanted to play here it's not impossible.

On a more general point I could see Phoenix being the third team in a couple LeBron force out situations.

Sent from my SM-G930V using RealGM mobile app

[Revived]

On a more general point I could see Phoenix being the third team in a couple LeBron force out situations.

I’d love to be the 3rd team for any deal involving the Lakers if we can get Ingram in return without having to give up Booker, Jackson or Ayton. Even if it ruined the very little cap space that we have.

Ingram is a stud and I’m a big fan.

[BurningHeart]

What makes anyone think that Goran Dragic is a good fit for this franchise given what happened the last time he was here? His relationship with the Phoenix Suns is about as close to irreparable as possible. It was ugly---really ugly---and the moron who caused it all is still in charge.

I mean really.

[Years90Suns]

How about...
Suns 2018 Pick 16
Suns Unprotected 2019 Pick
Bucks First round 2019 Pick

for

Lonzo Ball
Deng

Lakers going to field 3 max contracts for Paul George, Lebron James and Cousins


Suns run

G: Ball
G: Booker
F: Jackson
F: Chriss
C: Ayton

I do not want anything to do with the Ball family.
I doubt he can be the PG we need, where that player needs to defend and pass. Sure he can pass, but he cannot defend.
Then the risk of getting into too many troubles with Ball Sr. is too high to risk.
We got rid of the twins, let's not het into trouble again so early.

[asudevil]

What makes anyone think that Goran Dragic is a good fit for this franchise given what happened the last time he was here? His relationship with the Phoenix Suns is about as close to irreparable as possible. It was ugly---really ugly---and the moron who caused it all is still in charge.

I mean really.

Because these are grown ass adults, not children.

Gambo reported that the last time Goran was in town to play he spoke with McD and hashed it out...and they left on good terms.

Both did and said some things they probably regret. Manning up on both sides and apologizing goes a long way.

IF this team could some how get Doncic, I think it would be a no-brainer to put past differences aside for the pride of playing with your head coach and the most exciting prospect ever from your home country.

Sent from my Moto E (4) using RealGM mobile app

[bwgood77]

On a more general point I could see Phoenix being the third team in a couple LeBron force out situations.

I’d love to be the 3rd team for any deal involving the Lakers if we can get Ingram in return without having to give up Booker, Jackson or Ayton. Even if it ruined the very little cap space that we have.

Ingram is a stud and I’m a big fan.

The Lakers can sign him outright as good Philly. Only if he somehow moved to a team without cap space like that Boston example or Houston and those guys needed to send players out would Phx likely be a third benefactor.

The Cavs are unlikely to sign and trade him and take much in salaries back because they are well into the tax and without LeBron it would be pointless for them to be in tax territory.

So it would maybe end up being someone like Eric Gordon for example and perhaps another player or two if he went to Houston.

I seriously doubt he goes to Houston though. It's near impossible to figure it out financially unless they could get someone to take Anderson and I don't see that happening.

[Revived]

On a more general point I could see Phoenix being the third team in a couple LeBron force out situations.

I’d love to be the 3rd team for any deal involving the Lakers if we can get Ingram in return without having to give up Booker, Jackson or Ayton. Even if it ruined the very little cap space that we have.

Ingram is a stud and I’m a big fan.

The Lakers can sign him outright as good Philly. Only if he somehow moved to a team without cap space like that Boston example or Houston and those guys needed to send players out would Phx likely be a third benefactor.

The Cavs are unlikely to sign and trade him and take much in salaries back because they are well into the tax and without LeBron it would be pointless for them to be in tax territory.

So it would maybe end up being someone like Eric Gordon for example and perhaps another player or two if he went to Houston.

I seriously doubt he goes to Houston though. It's near impossible to figure it out financially unless they could get someone to take Anderson and I don't see that happening.

If the Lakers try for two max players (LBJ & Cousins or LBJ & PG or PG & Cousins etc) then I think they would need to move salary to accommodate that. There’s even been talk of all three joining the Laker which is certainly a possibility as well.

[Revived]

What makes anyone think that Goran Dragic is a good fit for this franchise given what happened the last time he was here? His relationship with the Phoenix Suns is about as close to irreparable as possible. It was ugly---really ugly---and the moron who caused it all is still in charge.

I mean really.

Because these are grown ass adults, not children.

Gambo reported that the last time Goran was in town to play he spoke with McD and hashed it out...and they left on good terms.

Both did and said some things they probably regret. Manning up on both sides and apologizing goes a long way.

IF this team could some how get Doncic, I think it would be a no-brainer to put past differences aside for the pride of playing with your head coach and the most exciting prospect ever from your home country.

Sent from my Moto E (4) using RealGM mobile app

Makes sense with Ayton as well considering we would have a hole at the PG spot. And I think playing with a decent veteran player rather than the likes of Ulis and Canaan would fast track the development for Ayton. Ayton loves the pick and pop stuff and Dragic had a ton of success running that Frye.

[Saberestar]

What makes anyone think that Goran Dragic is a good fit for this franchise given what happened the last time he was here? His relationship with the Phoenix Suns is about as close to irreparable as possible. It was ugly---really ugly---and the moron who caused it all is still in charge.

I mean really.

Because these are grown ass adults, not children.

Gambo reported that the last time Goran was in town to play he spoke with McD and hashed it out...and they left on good terms.

Both did and said some things they probably regret. Manning up on both sides and apologizing goes a long way.

IF this team could some how get Doncic, I think it would be a no-brainer to put past differences aside for the pride of playing with your head coach and the most exciting prospect ever from your home country.

Sent from my Moto E (4) using RealGM mobile app

Makes sense with Ayton as well considering we would have a hole at the PG spot. And I think playing with a decent veteran player rather than the likes of Ulis and Canaan would fast track the development for Ayton. Ayton loves the pick and pop stuff and Dragic had a ton of success running that Frye.

Yeah, I think that Dragic makes more sense if we draft Ayton.

We need a primary ball handler with experience and 3p shooting, Dragic can be the best option out there on the market.

After thinking about that I would be OK trading for him if the price is right.

[Saberestar]

ESPN.com's Chris Haynes appeared on the TK Show with Tim Kawakami of The Athletic and discussed players who could look to take a pay cut to play alongside Stephen Curry and Kevin Durant on the Warriors in 2018-19 and mentioned Ariza as "a name that I'm hearing."

Someone mentioned Ariza as an option for us in FA, but it seems that he probably is gonna be on the Warriors next season.

[King4Day]

What's the deal?

I saw it. Looked a little too good for us but even though it felt lopsided it didn't really seem terribly lopsided in a bad way for the other teams...

To Boston
-LeBron James

To Phoenix
-Kyrie Irving

To Cleveland
-2019 Sacramento 1st (15-30 protected) or the 2019 Memphis 1st
-2019 Milwaukee 1st
-2021 Miami 1st
-Tyson Chandler
-Marcus Morris
-Abdel Nader
-Semi Ojeleye
-Guerschon Yabusele

I don't think Boston will move on from Kyrie though.

The kyrie deal is interesting. Its unlikely but if LeBron forced his way to Boston and kyrie wanted to play here it's not impossible.

On a more general point I could see Phoenix being the third team in a couple LeBron force out situations.

Sent from my SM-G930V using RealGM mobile app

Man, if that's all it took to land Kyrie...

[gaspar]

By my calculations there's a 12.47% chance that Kyrie would re-sign with the Suns, if we traded for him. That's too much of a risk. Oh, and we are guaranteed to draft Dwyane Wade's son with that 2021 Miami pick.

[BobbieL]

On a more general point I could see Phoenix being the third team in a couple LeBron force out situations.

I’d love to be the 3rd team for any deal involving the Lakers if we can get Ingram in return without having to give up Booker, Jackson or Ayton. Even if it ruined the very little cap space that we have.

Ingram is a stud and I’m a big fan.

The Lakers can sign him outright as good Philly. Only if he somehow moved to a team without cap space like that Boston example or Houston and those guys needed to send players out would Phx likely be a third benefactor.

The Cavs are unlikely to sign and trade him and take much in salaries back because they are well into the tax and without LeBron it would be pointless for them to be in tax territory.

So it would maybe end up being someone like Eric Gordon for example and perhaps another player or two if he went to Houston.

I seriously doubt he goes to Houston though. It's near impossible to figure it out financially unless they could get someone to take Anderson and I don't see that happening.

If Houston renounces Capela and Paul they would lose Bird Rights - is that correct? Because if they aren't renounced, they are over the cap.

The Suns can probably do something - if the right players are renounced/waived, maybe the 16th pick is traded to not take on that salary to acquire Gordon, Tucker and Nene - but I like you said - that Anderson contract is not movable as they don't have the picks to attach to it

You are right though - Houston would probably move Gordon, Tucker and whatever in an S&T with Cleveland if they took that route for James.

[BobbieL]

Because these are grown ass adults, not children.

Gambo reported that the last time Goran was in town to play he spoke with McD and hashed it out...and they left on good terms.

Both did and said some things they probably regret. Manning up on both sides and apologizing goes a long way.

IF this team could some how get Doncic, I think it would be a no-brainer to put past differences aside for the pride of playing with your head coach and the most exciting prospect ever from your home country.

Sent from my Moto E (4) using RealGM mobile app

Makes sense with Ayton as well considering we would have a hole at the PG spot. And I think playing with a decent veteran player rather than the likes of Ulis and Canaan would fast track the development for Ayton. Ayton loves the pick and pop stuff and Dragic had a ton of success running that Frye.

Yeah, I think that Dragic makes more sense if we draft Ayton.

We need a primary ball handler with experience and 3p shooting, Dragic can be the best option out there on the market.

After thinking about that I would be OK trading for him if the price is right.

Goran makes a lot of sense and the Suns can make a deal where Riley might have to take a bit of cash back - but at worst, its only one year left - and he can buyout Chandler or Dudley to save money

MY off season is down to DRagic and Williams - use Chandler, Daniels, Dudley expirings, maybe a draft pick (the 31st and the Bucks pick) - still would have cap space to sign Mbah A Moute and McDermott. Granted, if Riley wanted to dump Olynyk with Goran to start getting some form of cap space with expirings in Dudley, Chandler and Daniels - might do that move

[Fo-Real]

Because these are grown ass adults, not children.

Gambo reported that the last time Goran was in town to play he spoke with McD and hashed it out...and they left on good terms.

Both did and said some things they probably regret. Manning up on both sides and apologizing goes a long way.

IF this team could some how get Doncic, I think it would be a no-brainer to put past differences aside for the pride of playing with your head coach and the most exciting prospect ever from your home country.

Sent from my Moto E (4) using RealGM mobile app

Makes sense with Ayton as well considering we would have a hole at the PG spot. And I think playing with a decent veteran player rather than the likes of Ulis and Canaan would fast track the development for Ayton. Ayton loves the pick and pop stuff and Dragic had a ton of success running that Frye.

Yeah, I think that Dragic makes more sense if we draft Ayton.

We need a primary ball handler with experience and 3p shooting, Dragic can be the best option out there on the market.

After thinking about that I would be OK trading for him if the price is right.

Yep, I think that Mc D came out publicly for NO REASON and (air finger quote) "Inform us" that he and Dragic made up and spoke. He decided to tell us that Dragic "informed him" ( ) that 98percent (or something like that ) of his time here was happy and that they buried the hatchet, coupled with the fact that Igor is now our coach and the reported move to bring in winning vets makes Dragic a possibility.

[BobbieL]

Makes sense with Ayton as well considering we would have a hole at the PG spot. And I think playing with a decent veteran player rather than the likes of Ulis and Canaan would fast track the development for Ayton. Ayton loves the pick and pop stuff and Dragic had a ton of success running that Frye.

Yeah, I think that Dragic makes more sense if we draft Ayton.

We need a primary ball handler with experience and 3p shooting, Dragic can be the best option out there on the market.

After thinking about that I would be OK trading for him if the price is right.

Yep, I think that Mc D came out publicly for NO REASON and (air finger quote) "Inform us" that he and Dragic made up and spoke. He decided to tell us that Dragic "informed him" ( ) that 98percent (or something like that ) of his time here was happy and that they buried the hatchet, coupled with the fact that Igor is now our coach and the reported move to bring in winning vets makes Dragic a possibility.

Goran doesn't fit the timeline necessarily - but he also seems like he is a good fit and is obtainable for a cheaper price than say Kemba Walker. Also, Goran has two years left at 35m total - Conley is almost double that. Kemba is only 12m this year but easily will push 20m so almost the same --- plus years after

Another thing Goran would do - if Ryan drafts the kid from Kentucky (SGA?) or Wichita State or SMU or Holiday for PG - this would give them two years apprenticeship under Goran. Plus inm a couple years, Goran might drop down in price to a reasonable figure

I think with the way he plays, he would be an excellent fit next to Booker and Ayton. Would just need a PF - so Bender and Chriss can continue to grow - better than Dudley

[Sreister]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybmh84ba

This too crazy?

Suns get:
#2 (Doncic)
#4 (Bagley)
Dragic
WCS

Sac gets:
#1
J. Green

Memphis gets:
Warren
Chriss
#16 and/or Miami #1

Miami gets:
D. Fox
Chandler (expiring)

Four team trades never go through, but who says no? Maybe Sac because they might be ok with whatever they want. But maybe they really want Ayton and would pay to get him?

Miami starts a little rebuild early by picking up D. Fox for Dragic and getting cap relief. Too much to give for Dragic? Would we prefer Fox instead?

Memphis gets a quick rebuild to put around their Conley/Gasol core while getting picks to stay young in the future. Exactly what they'd want I imagine.

We run

Dragic/Donic
Book/Knight
JJ/(Doncic sub to play Point Foward)
Bagley/Bender
WCS/Williams (or Bender on subs)

[Kjdills13]

Suns- Kyrie Irving. Hayward
Cavs- Josh Jackson, Tyson chandler(cap relief next year) 16 pick, next year suns 1st pick.
Celtics- Lebron James, Tj Waren, George HILL


Suns- Would be a dream,
Irving
Booker
Hayward
Chriss/Bender
Ayton

Cavs- get to drop george hill, get under the cap, but get a good young player in jackson, and 2 first rounders for a guy that could leave and them get nothing

Celtics- Give up 2 borderline all stars, but get back the best player in the leage, a great role player who is young in warren, and role player in george hill who's salary sucks but your trying to win now.


the thing is if the celtics get lebron, then having, lebron,hayward, tatum doesnt make any sense. they need to trade one of them and hayward was the guy who has the largest cap space.