2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion continued

[Fo-Real]

That all sounds like a bench / back up pg with extra steps.

[Desertfox]

TJ McConnell is Derek Fisher which is exactly what we need

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

TJ McConnell is Derek Fisher which is exactly what we need

Rubio
Walker
Collison
Beverley
Russell
Rozier
Delon Wright
Tyus Jones
Malcolm Brogdon
TJ McConnell
Spencer Dinwiddie

Take your pick!!

[m1chal]

TJ McConnell is Derek Fisher which is exactly what we need

Rubio
Walker
Collison
Beverley
Russell
Rozier
Delon Wright
Tyus Jones
Malcolm Brogdon
TJ McConnell
Spencer Dinwiddie

Take your pick!!

Rubio, Brogdon and McConnell, in this order, would be my targets.

[bwgood77]

TJ McConnell is Derek Fisher which is exactly what we need

Rubio
Walker
Collison
Beverley
Russell
Rozier
Delon Wright
Tyus Jones
Malcolm Brogdon
TJ McConnell
Spencer Dinwiddie

Take your pick!!

I've seen Collison pop up on these lists quite a bit. He was Indiana's starting PG in a surprise season where they nearly knocked off the Cavs, and people are high on them. Why are people thinking he is available? What am I missing? I know they drafted Holiday but they obviously won't want to start a rookie after that playoff appearance and Collison being a big part of it. Same goes for Rubio. Or are you just thinking of FA next year?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

TJ McConnell is Derek Fisher which is exactly what we need

Rubio
Walker
Collison
Beverley
Russell
Rozier
Delon Wright
Tyus Jones
Malcolm Brogdon
TJ McConnell
Spencer Dinwiddie

Take your pick!!

I've seen Collison pop up on these lists quite a bit. He was Indiana's starting PG in a surprise season where they nearly knocked off the Cavs, and people are high on them. Why are people thinking he is available? What am I missing? I know they drafted Holiday but they obviously won't want to start a rookie after that playoff appearance and Collison being a big part of it. Same goes for Rubio. Or are you just thinking of FA next year?

This is a list of point guards who will be free agents next summer.

[bwgood77]

Rubio
Walker
Collison
Beverley
Russell
Rozier
Delon Wright
Tyus Jones
Malcolm Brogdon
TJ McConnell
Spencer Dinwiddie

Take your pick!!

I've seen Collison pop up on these lists quite a bit. He was Indiana's starting PG in a surprise season where they nearly knocked off the Cavs, and people are high on them. Why are people thinking he is available? What am I missing? I know they drafted Holiday but they obviously won't want to start a rookie after that playoff appearance and Collison being a big part of it. Same goes for Rubio. Or are you just thinking of FA next year?

This is a list of point guards who will be free agents next summer.

You forgot Irving and Bledsoe!

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I've seen Collison pop up on these lists quite a bit. He was Indiana's starting PG in a surprise season where they nearly knocked off the Cavs, and people are high on them. Why are people thinking he is available? What am I missing? I know they drafted Holiday but they obviously won't want to start a rookie after that playoff appearance and Collison being a big part of it. Same goes for Rubio. Or are you just thinking of FA next year?

This is a list of point guards who will be free agents next summer.

You forgot Irving and Bledsoe!

[SwingMan1938]

Folks, I'm only going to say this once in relation to Patrick Beverley:

Microfracture.

And I'll add 2 more names in conjunction with it:

Penny Hardaway, Amare Stoudemire.

Anything sinking in yet?

[BobbieL]

Folks, I'm only going to say this once in relation to Patrick Beverley:

Microfracture.

And I'll add 2 more names in conjunction with it:

Penny Hardaway, Amare Stoudemire.

Anything sinking in yet?

The risk is much different. One year 5m. At this point they probably only get Beverly via a trade of like Daniels straight up - which I doubt the Clips do as the Clips have a lot of players already or Chandler for Bev/Boban

Either way - suns are already paying something . If a longer deal than one year - valid point

[BobbieL]

I've seen Collison pop up on these lists quite a bit. He was Indiana's starting PG in a surprise season where they nearly knocked off the Cavs, and people are high on them. Why are people thinking he is available? What am I missing? I know they drafted Holiday but they obviously won't want to start a rookie after that playoff appearance and Collison being a big part of it. Same goes for Rubio. Or are you just thinking of FA next year?

This is a list of point guards who will be free agents next summer.

You forgot Irving and Bledsoe!

I like Rubio from that list . But ask me in 12 months to see how the other players develop this year. Needs might change

[SwingMan1938]

Folks, I'm only going to say this once in relation to Patrick Beverley:

Microfracture.

And I'll add 2 more names in conjunction with it:

Penny Hardaway, Amare Stoudemire.

Anything sinking in yet?

The risk is much different. One year 5m. At this point they probably only get Beverly via a trade of like Daniels straight up - which I doubt the Clips do as the Clips have a lot of players already or Chandler for Bev/Boban

Either way - suns are already paying something . If a longer deal than one year - valid point

Uh-uh - microfracture and achilles injuries mark a player's sharp demise the moment they get either. What good is he taking up a roster spot when his peak is a shell of his former self for every other game? Elton Brand, Mehmet Okur, Wesley Matthews, Penny Hardaway, Amare Stoudemire, Kobe Bryant and others I'm sure I'm missing who've been fatally felled by either (we'll see on DeMarcus Cousins, but my bet is he'll become a modern day Erick Dampier at best).

Plus, even at his peak, though he was a defensive demon, Beverley was *never* a distributor by any stretch of the imagination.

Hard pass - I'll take McConnell every time.....

[ATTL]

George hill, 1 million guaranteed next year.

[lilfishi22]

George hill, 1 million guaranteed next year.

Gonna be difficult from a salary matching standpoint. He's making almost $20m this year and we don't have enough cap space to absorb much of his salary.

[BobbieL]

George hill, 1 million guaranteed next year.

Gonna be difficult from a salary matching standpoint. He's making almost $20m this year and we don't have enough cap space to absorb much of his salary.

Daniels and Chandler should work because of cap rules within a certain %. 16.8 out; 19 coming back

Saves the Cavs 3.2 as Hill has a 1m buyout next summer

Chriss or bender instead of Daniels works too if dumping one of those two

[jredsaz]

TJ McConnell is Derek Fisher which is exactly what we need

Rubio
Walker
Collison
Beverley
Russell
Rozier
Delon Wright
Tyus Jones
Malcolm Brogdon
TJ McConnell
Spencer Dinwiddie

Take your pick!!

I've seen Collison pop up on these lists quite a bit. He was Indiana's starting PG in a surprise season where they nearly knocked off the Cavs, and people are high on them. Why are people thinking he is available? What am I missing? I know they drafted Holiday but they obviously won't want to start a rookie after that playoff appearance and Collison being a big part of it. Same goes for Rubio. Or are you just thinking of FA next year?

I agree. Rubio, Walker, Collison, Brogdon and Rozier are all rotation pieces on high aspiration teams. Wright and McConnell probably will be too. I think one of Russell and Dinwiddie will get moved at some point before the deadline. I think right now it would cost a good asset to get any one of those guys.

Beverly and Jones seem gettable but I dont trade anything of substance given the how little either would move the needle.

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[Revived]

George hill, 1 million guaranteed next year.

Gonna be difficult from a salary matching standpoint. He's making almost $20m this year and we don't have enough cap space to absorb much of his salary.

Daniels and Chandler should work because of cap rules within a certain %. 16.8 out; 19 coming back

Saves the Cavs 3.2 as Hill has a 1m buyout next summer

Chriss or bender instead of Daniels works too if dumping one of those two

That would be the only way the Cavs would do it as they need some incentive besides minor $$ saving because I think they plan on having Hill mentor Sexton. A young player with some potential is what the Cavs would demand I think. They would probably pick up the player option for either one as well to give them more time to evaluate the player and see if a change of scenery will do them any good.

[Revived]

TJ McConnell is Derek Fisher which is exactly what we need

Rubio
Walker
Collison
Beverley
Russell
Rozier
Delon Wright
Tyus Jones
Malcolm Brogdon
TJ McConnell
Spencer Dinwiddie

Take your pick!!

I would be willing to throw all the cap space the Suns have next summer at Malcolm Brogdon next summer on the first day of Free Agency itself. Basically Arizaing him.

Not because I think Brogdon the player is necessarily worth it but because I think the fit with Booker and the rest of the Suns players is worth it. I remember last season I went through all the PGs in the league for all 30 teams and Brogdon was the one that I thought would best fit next to Booker.

[lilfishi22]

Gonna be difficult from a salary matching standpoint. He's making almost $20m this year and we don't have enough cap space to absorb much of his salary.

Daniels and Chandler should work because of cap rules within a certain %. 16.8 out; 19 coming back

Saves the Cavs 3.2 as Hill has a 1m buyout next summer

Chriss or bender instead of Daniels works too if dumping one of those two

That would be the only way the Cavs would do it as they need some incentive besides minor $$ saving because I think they plan on having Hill mentor Sexton. A young player with some potential is what the Cavs would demand I think. They would probably pick up the player option for either one as well to give them more time to evaluate the player and see if a change of scenery will do them any good.

I also believe they will try and make another run this season so they will need depth at the PG position. I'm not sure Daniels/Chandler helps their cause in anyway. As over the hill (pun intended) he might, Hill is probably still a more useful player than either Chandler or Daniels.

But if not Daniels then it needs to be Chriss or Bender. Not a fan of Chriss but I'm not sure it's a wise use of either assets for one year of Hill. Rather wait til the trade deadline to see what we can get via buyouts/trades etc.

[SwingMan1938]

I would be willing to throw all the cap space the Suns have next summer at Malcolm Brogdon next summer on the first day of Free Agency itself. Basically Arizaing him.

Not because I think Brogdon the player is necessarily worth it but because I think the fit with Booker and the rest of the Suns players is worth it. I remember last season I went through all the PGs in the league for all 30 teams and Brogdon was the one that I thought would best fit next to Booker.

Solid choice and I'm down with it if the Bucks will let him go - Bledsoe severely hurt his progress, IMO.

Brogdon's a reasonable distributor, more than capable 3-point shooter and a good defender with size at the 1. Not so sure on his up-tempo game, but he's a solid facilitator with a career 2.6-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio. We'll have to see what the Bucks think about going with Bledsoe moving forward - as Suns fans, we know that Brogdon beats hell out of Bledsoe every time, but Bucks brass aren't Suns fans, so.....