2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

[bwgood77]

I wonder about 1 first and Cam for OG. I think it would depend on how they view Cam's durability, how much they know he wants in the offseason (like does he want Mikal money?), etc. Of course OG has been injury prone in the past, but in really improves our D (and I think Cam is a solid defender) and OG is averaging 17, 5.5, 2, 2 and shoots nearly 37% from 3. He is under contract for $18.6 next year and has a player option over $19 the following year (I imagine he opts out and wants a lot more). And then wanting self creation, OG gets assisted on 67.7% of fgs while Cam is at 85.1%

[Blonde]

I have been waiting for the Suns to trade their picks for a superstar for some time now. The time is now, but the superstar is not OG Anunoby.


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I agree in theory but at a certain point we may not be able to trade for the perfect complimentary star and may have to take a gamble. I don’t think OG is a star per se but he’s a worthy gamble if all we’re giving up is picks. I’m cool saving our ammo for the summer, but if the big fish doesn’t come along in the offseason then we may have squandered our title window entirely.

OG isn't a worthy gamble. Especially not for the price Toronto is asking for.

I’m comfortable in my position that he’s a worthy gamble if it’s just picks. Nobody is paying Toronto’s ransom.

[bwgood77]

If we can get OG with a couple firsts and scrap contracts, I'm in. I'd like to hang onto CamJo. I think a wing rotation of Bridges/OG/CamJo is absolutely killer.

I'd say something like... Saric/Shamet/2023 + 2025 FRP seems about right. Throw in a 2nd or two if they say no.

This is where I am at. They can also get Nwora if that Bucks trade is legitimate. Ibaka too. Suns can keep George Hill.

I don't know if they'd do 2 picks and filler or not. I would want to give up 3 picks. The thing about OG is he will likely be an UFA in 2024 and require a pretty hefty contract. So you have to be willing to pay him if you are giving up 2-3 picks. Now I don't think if we kept the rest of our guys or even traded DA for equal salary we would be able to pay both OG and Cam long term. So if they are hesitant on giving Cam a lot of money and are concerned about the recurring health problems I think it would be more likely they'd try to do Cam and a pick rather than 3 picks. Because for it to be worth it they'd have to plan on paying OG long term.

If our whole team is healthy though, I don't necessarily think we'd be THAT much better with OG than Cam. But people do want that second creator and he can do some of that. Mikal has stepped up late and with players out this year has only been assisted on 71.7%, whereas last year it was 82% (but 86.4% in the playoffs...perhaps indicating the higher the stakes the less willing he is to take it on, though maybe that has changed).

[Azsports77]

Let them make the mistake of underestimating Booker once again that way when it’s playoff time they will realize how wrong they were !

[bwgood77]

Another article about WC All Star Reserves on nba.com. 6 writers make their picks. Surprisingly, only one picks Booker.

https://www.nba.com/news/trending-topics-west-all-stars-reserves-2022-23

[BobbieL]

Another article about WC All Star Reserves on nba.com. 4 writers make their picks. Surprisingly, only one picks Booker.

https://www.nba.com/news/trending-topics-west-all-stars-reserves-2022-23

Booker deserves it but I truly want him to take the time off.

[KLEON]

Another article about WC All Star Reserves on nba.com. 4 writers make their picks. Surprisingly, only one picks Booker.

https://www.nba.com/news/trending-topics-west-all-stars-reserves-2022-23

Zion is a starter and he missed 20 plus games so Booker more than deserves to be there.

[lilfishi22]

I agree in theory but at a certain point we may not be able to trade for the perfect complimentary star and may have to take a gamble. I don’t think OG is a star per se but he’s a worthy gamble if all we’re giving up is picks. I’m cool saving our ammo for the summer, but if the big fish doesn’t come along in the offseason then we may have squandered our title window entirely.

OG isn't a worthy gamble. Especially not for the price Toronto is asking for.

I’m comfortable in my position that he’s a worthy gamble if it’s just picks. Nobody is paying Toronto’s ransom.

Can't just be picks.

2-3 (protected) FRP's plus fillers (Dario + Crowder) is as far as I'd go

[spanishninja]

Another article about WC All Star Reserves on nba.com. 4 writers make their picks. Surprisingly, only one picks Booker.

https://www.nba.com/news/trending-topics-west-all-stars-reserves-2022-23

Zion is a starter and he missed 20 plus games so Booker more than deserves to be there.

eh, we got much more important problems to fry than allstar.

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[Jdiddy701]

Another article about WC All Star Reserves on nba.com. 4 writers make their picks. Surprisingly, only one picks Booker.

https://www.nba.com/news/trending-topics-west-all-stars-reserves-2022-23

Zion is a starter and he missed 20 plus games so Booker more than deserves to be there.

eh, we got much more important problems to fry than allstar.

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Those type of things matter a lot to players. I personally don’t think Booker deserves to be an allstar, but neither does Zion (how he’s a starter is ridiculous), AD or Kawhi. If those players get in, it’s a no brainer to have Booker in. Book is really disrespected by literally everyone, except the players so I’m expecting him to not make it.


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[spanishninja]

Zion is a starter and he missed 20 plus games so Booker more than deserves to be there.

eh, we got much more important problems to fry than allstar.

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Those type of things matter a lot to players. I personally don’t think Booker deserves to be an allstar, but neither does Zion (how he’s a starter is ridiculous), AD or Kawhi. If those players get in, it’s a no brainer to have Booker in. Book is really disrespected by literally everyone, except the players so I’m expecting him to not make it.


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based on what we know about Booker, he would be the first to admit he isn't a deserving all-star this season, and he would not feel hurt by not being one. just because other undeserving people make it doesn't change that.

[TeamTragic]

I swear you dudes care more about the ASG then Booker

[KLEON]

Another article about WC All Star Reserves on nba.com. 4 writers make their picks. Surprisingly, only one picks Booker.

https://www.nba.com/news/trending-topics-west-all-stars-reserves-2022-23

Zion is a starter and he missed 20 plus games so Booker more than deserves to be there.

eh, we got much more important problems to fry than allstar.

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Just making conversation. I obviously wouldn't want him there knowing he just came back from injury

[Blonde]

OG isn't a worthy gamble. Especially not for the price Toronto is asking for.

I’m comfortable in my position that he’s a worthy gamble if it’s just picks. Nobody is paying Toronto’s ransom.

Can't just be picks.

2-3 (protected) FRP's plus fillers (Dario + Crowder) is as far as I'd go

I’m not dense, I know salary needs to match up. I like how you say it’s not a worthy gamble and then agree with nearly the exact package I proposed earlier. Salary filler + 3 picks.

[lilfishi22]

I’m comfortable in my position that he’s a worthy gamble if it’s just picks. Nobody is paying Toronto’s ransom.

Can't just be picks.

2-3 (protected) FRP's plus fillers (Dario + Crowder) is as far as I'd go

I’m not dense, I know salary needs to match up. I like how you say it’s not a worthy gamble and then agree with nearly the exact package I proposed earlier. Salary filler + 3 picks.

Didn't see your proposed package, only the 3 picks.

It's not nearly the same gamble if it's only salary filler (no one of note) and picks.

[bwgood77]

Zion is a starter and he missed 20 plus games so Booker more than deserves to be there.

eh, we got much more important problems to fry than allstar.

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Those type of things matter a lot to players. I personally don’t think Booker deserves to be an allstar, but neither does Zion (how he’s a starter is ridiculous), AD or Kawhi. If those players get in, it’s a no brainer to have Booker in. Book is really disrespected by literally everyone, except the players so I’m expecting him to not make it.

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From the 6 guys on NBA.com, none have Kawhi and only one has Book and the other AD.

2 of the lists look like this:

Domantas Sabonis, Sacramento Kings
• Lauri Markkanen, Utah Jazz
• Paul George, LA Clippers
• Ja Morant, Memphis Grizzlies
• Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Oklahoma City Thunder
• Damian Lillard, Portland Trail Blazers
• De’Aaron Fox, Sacramento Kings

Then one of the lists is the same as above with Aaron Gordon instead of George.

And then two have AD in that spot and one has Book.

So basically the lists are all the same except for one spot either going to George (2), AD (2), Booker, Gordon.

George is probably deserving averaging 23.5, 6, 5.3 and shooting 39% from 3 on very high volume (60% TS%).

Obviously if Book ha played more he'd be ahead of most of those guys though.

[bwgood77]

Can't just be picks.

2-3 (protected) FRP's plus fillers (Dario + Crowder) is as far as I'd go

I’m not dense, I know salary needs to match up. I like how you say it’s not a worthy gamble and then agree with nearly the exact package I proposed earlier. Salary filler + 3 picks.

Didn't see your proposed package, only the 3 picks.

It's not nearly the same gamble if it's only salary filler (no one of note) and picks.

3 picks is a huge haul for a player like OG. I know SA got 3 for Dejounte but I think he's more important. I think that would be lopsided.

We are without any rookie contracts after this year. It's near impossible to maintain a solid roster OR build for the future without some young talent on cheaper contracts.

I like OG and would consider Cam and a first. I don't really see any way they will pay Cam AND OG AND spend enough for a decent PG (unless they trade Ayton for something like Rozier and Plumlee).

Ideally a Book/Bridges/Cam/OG/Ayton lineup would be pretty unstoppable I think and you may only need 2-3 decent bench guys, like a Payne, Craig an backup big...with some other minimums...we'd have to be healthy.

BUT, I don't know if we can afford to have all five of those on the roster without going deep into the tax. If Ishbia is willing to do that, great.

If we did trade those picks though, I'd definitely want them at least top 4 protected going forward. They likely would convey as I doubt we'd finish bottom 4 so no big deal.

I think it's more likely given all considerations (salary cap, preserving picks/cap management going forward/adding youth) that we may try Crowder/Cam an 1 1st....which I think is reasonable. They wouldn't want Crowder (unless they wanted to re-sign and thought they could so maybe he'd go to a third team and they'd be willing to take a heavily protected 1st back or a couple 2nds, which is probably something we are not looking for for Crowder because we feel we need a player now).

[KLEON]

eh, we got much more important problems to fry than allstar.

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Those type of things matter a lot to players. I personally don’t think Booker deserves to be an allstar, but neither does Zion (how he’s a starter is ridiculous), AD or Kawhi. If those players get in, it’s a no brainer to have Booker in. Book is really disrespected by literally everyone, except the players so I’m expecting him to not make it.

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From the 6 guys on NBA.com, none have Kawhi and only one has Book and the other AD.

2 of the lists look like this:

Domantas Sabonis, Sacramento Kings
• Lauri Markkanen, Utah Jazz
• Paul George, LA Clippers
• Ja Morant, Memphis Grizzlies
• Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Oklahoma City Thunder
• Damian Lillard, Portland Trail Blazers
• De’Aaron Fox, Sacramento Kings

Then one of the lists is the same as above with Aaron Gordon instead of George.

And then two have AD in that spot and one has Book.

So basically the lists are all the same except for one spot either going to George (2), AD (2), Booker, Gordon.

George is probably deserving averaging 23.5, 6, 5.3 and shooting 39% from 3 on very high volume (60% TS%).

Obviously if Book ha played more he'd be ahead of most of those guys though.

Edwards deserves a spot

[lilfishi22]

I’m not dense, I know salary needs to match up. I like how you say it’s not a worthy gamble and then agree with nearly the exact package I proposed earlier. Salary filler + 3 picks.

Didn't see your proposed package, only the 3 picks.

It's not nearly the same gamble if it's only salary filler (no one of note) and picks.

3 picks is a huge haul for a player like OG. I know SA got 3 for Dejounte but I think he's more important. I think that would be lopsided.

We are without any rookie contracts after this year. It's near impossible to maintain a solid roster OR build for the future without some young talent on cheaper contracts.

I like OG and would consider Cam and a first. I don't really see any way they will pay Cam AND OG AND spend enough for a decent PG (unless they trade Ayton for something like Rozier and Plumlee).

Ideally a Book/Bridges/Cam/OG/Ayton lineup would be pretty unstoppable I think and you may only need 2-3 decent bench guys, like a Payne, Craig an backup big...with some other minimums...we'd have to be healthy.

BUT, I don't know if we can afford to have all five of those on the roster without going deep into the tax. If Ishbia is willing to do that, great.

If we did trade those picks though, I'd definitely want them at least top 4 protected going forward. They likely would convey as I doubt we'd finish bottom 4 so no big deal.

I think it's more likely given all considerations (salary cap, preserving picks/cap management going forward/adding youth) that we may try Crowder/Cam an 1 1st....which I think is reasonable. They wouldn't want Crowder (unless they wanted to re-sign and thought they could so maybe he'd go to a third team and they'd be willing to take a heavily protected 1st back or a couple 2nds, which is probably something we are not looking for for Crowder because we feel we need a player now).

Which is why overall an OG trade isn't something I'd like to pursue. I'm just not keen on OG because of his health, his next contract and what Masai wants for him. 3 picks plus filler is a bigger haul than I'd like to give up but if there were considerable protections, I think value wise, it would be in line with other deals for good players recently.

The Dejounte trade is a good proxy and that was essentially 2 unprotected FRP + 1 top 16 protected FRP + pick swap and filler. Murray is an all-star whereas OG isn't so I would add more much protection.

[irish22022]

dealing with james jones is easy, he's said publicly he doesn't give a **** about draft picks. Toronto is probably saying, hey, make it 4, why not