2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V

[BobbieL]

Yeah, bwgood77 summed it up, simple and plain. This summer, we have the last chance to avoid a guaranteed 10 years of misery. Rebuild does not guarantee a thing, true, but that way we at least have a shot at pulling out this sunken ship and making it sail again in the near future (like 3-4 years). If we squander it again, it may appear advisable for this fandom to rest a bit from NBA altogether.

Exactly right. Ishbia needs to face reality. Enough with the fantasy stuff. Get realistic

[sunsbum]

Can anybody in keep Booker camp here explain what exactly do we get with doing so? How else can we regain our assets and reset this franchise?

I don’t think anyone is in the “keep booker camp” besides Ishbia. Some of us have just accepted our fate.

Speak for yourself brodeo. I want him here and many in the AZ media rounds do too.

I like the idea of Booker staying here. I love him! But I (and many here) don’t see a way that we will be able to build a winning team around him with the limited assets that will come from a Durant trade. I will say, I am encouraged by some of the young talent we’ve unearthed this year and to a lesser extent finding a gem like tumani. If they decide to keep Booker and there’s a redemption arc I’d be happier than a clam.

[sunsbg]

OKC may join Durant sweepstakes if they bring current form into the playoffs.

[thamadkant]

Can anybody in keep Booker camp here explain what exactly do we get with doing so? How else can we regain our assets and reset this franchise?

You don't build around a 28 year old 2nd option at best All Star on Super Max money and a poor leader.

If the Suns had a legit 1st option Leader like a young LeBron or Jokic or Giannis or Curry... then Booker would be a very good 2nd option star.

It's like building around pre-injury and early 20s Bradley Beal. Beal was actually a good 2nd banana next to John Wall, but Wall fell off very quickly due to injuries and Beal proved he is a good talent but not a first option player.... just like Booker.



Secondly, Booker can fix the Suns FO's mistake of selling farm... at least to a level that saves the Suns next decade.


I don't see any legit reason why Booker should stay outside of hoping to be a play in team while not having any lottery picks in the next 7 years.... it's absolutely dire.

[Slim Charless]

Jalen Green is 23 years old. He is the best scorer on the clear cut 2nd best team in the West.

He is playing 33.5 minutes per game. His defense is good...yeah, he isn’t Amen Thompson but basically no one can do that.

Again...21.7 points, 4.7 boards, 3.6 assists and shooting 35% from threes on more than 8 points attempts per game.

Do you think that he is not gonna keep improving? The guy plays with passion and wants to be great. His athleticism is wild.

What I think is that Houston will offer FVV or Dillon Brooks before they will offer Jalen Green. IMO they will try to avoid to trade any of Sengun, Amen or Jalen Green.

He's an inefficient chucker, who plays little to no defense and has little to no desire to involve his teammates in the game. He scores alot as he's the only one on the team that can put up numbers on the perimeter. He does it by chucking though as I've said.

Houston was rumored to have only signed him to that deal so they can find some other team to take him-for an actual good player. He also has a low BB IQ when it comes to crunch time situations.

You're welcome to your opinion but I think you've watched little to no Rockets games recently and are basing this entire post and the previous ones off stats you've read on ESPN or wherever you get your sports news.

If the offer is Dillion Brooks then it's a terrible offer for Durant unless they're giving all of our picks back and 2 more of theirs.

I have watched every Rockets-Suns game and I have been impressed with his game since last year.

Obviously I am not watching any other Rockets game (other than resumes) but that doesn't mean that I don't have enough eye test of his game. The guy is a killer.

Well with all due respect, that's part of the issue. You can't really get a feel of a player by watching 4 games. Plus even in those games, HOU had guys missing, so it wasn't a full representation of what he is as a player.

He's wildly inefficient and chucks. He's also IMO very selfish. Very. He most certainly isn't worth more than Durant. Obviously though on that note if you consider KD and Dillion Brooks an even swap than me and you are miles apart on what his value is.

I imagine we can get more than Dillion Brooks for KD lol. Jalen Green as well.

[RaisingArizona]

I don’t think anyone is in the “keep booker camp” besides Ishbia. Some of us have just accepted our fate.

Speak for yourself brodeo. I want him here and many in the AZ media rounds do too.

Who in the media, besides Flex want him to stay in Phoenix? And I only say Flex as I can see him thinking they have to keep Booker

Just because Gerald B reports that he is staying, or Kellan, doesn't mean they think its in the best interests to keep him.

I just know this - if Mike D was willing to trade the Nash rambler to get better, the Front Office should be open to listening on Booker.

AZ Sports and Phnx sports personalities

[BobbieL]

Can anybody in keep Booker camp here explain what exactly do we get with doing so? How else can we regain our assets and reset this franchise?

You don't build around a 28 year old 2nd option at best All Star on Super Max money and a poor leader.

If the Suns had a legit 1st option Leader like a young LeBron or Jokic or Giannis or Curry... then Booker would be a very good 2nd option star.

It's like building around pre-injury and early 20s Bradley Beal. Beal was actually a good 2nd banana next to John Wall, but Wall fell off very quickly due to injuries and Beal proved he is a good talent but not a first option player.... just like Booker.



Secondly, Booker can fix the Suns FO's mistake of selling farm... at least to a level that saves the Suns next decade.


I don't see any legit reason why Booker should stay outside of hoping to be a play in team while not having any lottery picks in the next 7 years.... it's absolutely dire.

This is the question -- is your goal being in the playoffs, as a play-in game for the sake of "making the playoffs" or is your goal to compete for WCF and the NBA finals. If the goal is the first, keep Booker as that is best case scenario without draft picks. Now, the second, not guaranteeing anything but its a chance.

[Frank Lee]

The ‘all or nothing’ philosophy is exactly what got us in this predicament. Bookers value won’t be going down. We will have all year to deal him if need be or he requests.

It’s not mandatory that we cash in everything.

Besides, we are staring at 2-3 potential dynasties in the west anyway. Better to be competitive night in and out than to be a doormat for the next 4-5 yrs+. I don’t have that luxury and would rather have a decent team to follow than a shttty one full of maybe rooks and marginal fill ins and no meaningful games.……. Especially if we don’t have control of our picks.

Y’all be careful what you wish for.

[BobbieL]

The ‘all or nothing’ philosophy is exactly what got us in this predicament. Bookers value won’t be going down. We will have all year to deal him if need be or he requests.

It’s not mandatory that we cash in everything.

Besides, we are staring at 2-3 potential dynasties in the west anyway. Better to be competitive night in and out than to be a doormat for the next 4-5 yrs+. I don’t have that luxury and would rather have a decent team to follow than a shttty one full of maybe rooks and marginal fill ins and no meaningful games.……. Especially if we don’t have control of our picks.

Y’all be careful what you wish for.

1) not giving Booker away

2) the idea would be to trade him to get those picks back. Or Durant gets the suns picks back and Booker gets other talent and picks
To maximize Booker they would need to find a true lead alpha player as that isn’t him

[Ghost of Kleine]

I don’t think anyone is in the “keep booker camp” besides Ishbia. Some of us have just accepted our fate.

Speak for yourself brodeo. I want him here and many in the AZ media rounds do too.

I like the idea of Booker staying here. I love him! But I (and many here) don’t see a way that we will be able to build a winning team around him with the limited assets that will come from a Durant trade. I will say, I am encouraged by some of the young talent we’ve unearthed this year and to a lesser extent finding a gem like tumani. If they decide to keep Booker and there’s a redemption arc I’d be happier than a clam.

And therein lies the rub for some of us that would have otherwise been open to the keep Booker consideration because Ishbia (and Thomas - the little voice on his shoulder) have just emptied our assets so horrifically that we're really backed into a corner with no real other legitimate pivot for competitive sustainability.

Making shortsighted impulse based decisions and egregiously overpaying for redundancy and low end athletes too (via jones archetypes) have crippled this franchise's future so badly that the only way out is offloading the only value we have left in order to pivot! Unfortunately, those only two assets left in KD and Booker are our sole remaining mechanisms.

[thamadkant]

The ‘all or nothing’ philosophy is exactly what got us in this predicament. Bookers value won’t be going down. We will have all year to deal him if need be or he requests.

It’s not mandatory that we cash in everything.

Besides, we are staring at 2-3 potential dynasties in the west anyway. Better to be competitive night in and out than to be a doormat for the next 4-5 yrs+. I don’t have that luxury and would rather have a decent team to follow than a shttty one full of maybe rooks and marginal fill ins and no meaningful games.……. Especially if we don’t have control of our picks.

Y’all be careful what you wish for.

If you want a competitive team... Booker is the worst star to have as first option.
If you want Booker putting up 30ppg, playing sub par Defense, while having Yes men as team mates who don't step up or aren't motivated to step up then you get a 25 win team with an average loss of 15 points a game.

Look at the team now.... Booker does not inspire his team mates. He doesn't make them better.

And the 2018 and 2019 Suns team had and true floor general/leader and team glue in Rubio. And those teams played with heart a chip on their shoulders... the Booker led team today are playing for cheque and not to get injured so they get new contracts next year or when they get traded in the off season...It's blatantly obvious

[Calvin Klein]

RIP 2024-2025 season.

Worst
Season
Ever

[BobbieL]

The ‘all or nothing’ philosophy is exactly what got us in this predicament. Bookers value won’t be going down. We will have all year to deal him if need be or he requests.

It’s not mandatory that we cash in everything.

Besides, we are staring at 2-3 potential dynasties in the west anyway. Better to be competitive night in and out than to be a doormat for the next 4-5 yrs+. I don’t have that luxury and would rather have a decent team to follow than a shttty one full of maybe rooks and marginal fill ins and no meaningful games.……. Especially if we don’t have control of our picks.

Y’all be careful what you wish for.

If you want a competitive team... Booker is the worst star to have as first option.
If you want Booker putting up 30ppg, playing sub par Defense, while having Yes men as team mates who don't step up or aren't motivated to step up then you get a 25 win team with an average loss of 15 points a game.

Look at the team now.... Booker does not inspire his team mates. He doesn't make them better.

And the 2018 and 2019 Suns team had and true floor general/leader and team glue in Rubio. And those teams played with heart a chip on their shoulders... the Booker led team today are playing for cheque and not to get injured so they get new contracts next year or when they get traded in the off season...It's blatantly obvious

100%. Booker needs an alpha point guard

Booker is just playing as he loves to hoop. I compared him to PG13.

[Frank Lee]

Book needs a good PG , plain and simple. Yall Shttting on him for this f-d up ensemble is messed up. He is what he is, and lately, he’s constantly being asked to be something he isn’t. Anybody with the Merry go round of coaches and personnel he’s experienced would struggle. Yet he has remained one of the top SGs. He is the reason CP came here. He is the reason KD came here. You think any top player is going to want to come here with nothing but weather and weed to offer? You’ll close the door on the rest of the decade by gutting this team

[bullsaficianado]

RIP 2024-2025 season.

Worst
Season
Ever

Not ready to go full RIP mode yet. If they lose to Warriors and Mavs win than yeah. No doubt though this has been a very disappointing season because this roster as constructed should be good enough for 50 wins.

[Puff]

Can anybody in keep Booker camp here explain what exactly do we get with doing so? How else can we regain our assets and reset this franchise?

I don’t think anyone is in the “keep booker camp” besides Ishbia. Some of us have just accepted our fate.

Thats fair... and probably very accurate

Ishbia must think Booker is a selling point and he would attract people to attend games

NOTE: Winning games brings fans

I am concerned as to who will be making these trades of Booker, KD, Beal, Allen and O'Neale

Based on the track record since Ishbia purchased this team we have lost every trade we have made.

How can we trust him this summer. I guess we can't get any worse but don't be surprised if we do. We should load up on 25 and 26 draft picks, but will we? Remember James Jones is not interested in draft picks and neither does Ishbia.

I am skeptical that we have the ability to do what is needed to make this franchise relevant anytime soon.

[Puff]

RIP 2024-2025 season.

Worst
Season
Ever

Not ready to go full RIP mode yet. If they lose to Warriors and Mavs win than yeah. No doubt though this has been a very disappointing season because this roster as constructed should be good enough for 50 wins.

We had a good draft. We brought in not one but two point guards. We got rid of Nurkic and got Richards. What was not to like about our roster until Bud put his hands on it?

[BobbieL]

I don’t think anyone is in the “keep booker camp” besides Ishbia. Some of us have just accepted our fate.

Thats fair... and probably very accurate

Ishbia must think Booker is a selling point and he would attract people to attend games

NOTE: Winning games brings fans

I am concerned as to who will be making these trades of Booker, KD, Beal, Allen and O'Neale

Based on the track record since Ishbia purchased this team we have lost every trade we have made.

How can we trust him this summer. I guess we can't get any worse but don't be surprised if we do. We should load up on 25 and 26 draft picks, but will we? Remember James Jones is not interested in draft picks and neither does Ishbia.

I am skeptical that we have the ability to do what is needed to make this franchise relevant anytime soon.

Need to fire Jones
Ishbia needs to hire a GM with vision

Ishbia needs patience

[RaisingArizona]

RIP 2024-2025 season.

Worst
Season
Ever

We hardly knew ye

[SunsRback4Good]

RIP 2024-2025 season.

Worst
Season
Ever

We hardly knew ye

Ye knew hardly we