Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread

[Kerrsed]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nw32a4a

ATL get Asik
HOU get Frye/IND 1st
PHX get Milsap

[RunDogGun]

It's quite ironic that we should/could have had both Deng and Noah, but stupid trades for cash and the lotto devils change everything.

[E-Buck]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nw32a4a

ATL get Asik
HOU get Frye/IND 1st
PHX get Milsap

Hell no. We don't want Millsap, are you kidding me?

[phrazbit]

It's quite ironic that we should/could have had both Deng and Noah, but stupid trades for cash and the lotto devils change everything.

I think the Suns, had they kept the pick, would have taken Iguodala... which only makes it more depressing.

[JDLAW]

It's quite ironic that we should/could have had both Deng and Noah, but stupid trades for cash and the lotto devils change everything.

The urban legend continues. In 2004, Suns drafted Deng in a prearranged trade with Chicago for Chicago’s 2005 unprotected 1st round draft choice, a 2nd round pick and cash. The Suns needed to clear cap space to sign the two free agents they were interested in - S. Nash and Q. Richardson. The Bulls were already in the lottery that year at #3 where they drafted Ben Gordon. They were in the lottery on merits because they were a terrible team. The Suns were comfortable making the trade because they were in-effect banking a first round pick for the 2005 draft with a team that had been one of the worst teams in the league and were not expected to be much better in the 2004-05 season.

The Bulls surprised everyone by making the playoffs in the 2004-05 season and the Bulls conveyed the 21st pick to the Suns who selected Nate Robinson. Robinson and another 1st were sent to the Knicks for Kurt Thomas in 2005. By the way the 2005 draft was a poor one. Other than Chris Paul and Deron Williams (taken 3 and 4), the first round was filled with journeymen and players that are out of the league.

The Suns could not have drafted Deng or Iguodola, they were both taken in 2004. If they held onto the pick they could have taken one and the preference seemed to be Iguodola, but the deal with the Bulls was made before the draft and the Suns proceeded to sign both Nash and Q. Rich.

Noah was drafted 9th in 2007. The Suns coveted him and Horford at the time and they thought they could get one of them with the pick the Hawks owed to them from the Joe Johnson trade, but the pick had top-3 protection and Atl, who had the 4th worst record beat the odds and moved up a pick to take Horford. The Suns tried to move up to take Noah, but Chicago was not in the mood to trade. The Suns had two late picks – one of which they used on Rudy Fernandez, who they sold to Portland and one they used on Alando Tucker – neither of whom are still in the league.

In hindsight, they turned out to be a series of regrettable moves, but in the immediacy of the trade and the great 2004-05 season, the moves looked solid.

[RunDogGun]

I know the history of those picks, and my statement still holds true, and not a myth or urban legend. We traded the Deng pick for money (clear money), and we lost out on Noah due to ATL getting the third pick (lotto demons).

But thanks for the backstory, that most of us know.

[bwgood77]

It's quite ironic that we should/could have had both Deng and Noah, but stupid trades for cash and the lotto devils change everything.

Or Iguodala instead of Deng. One pick from Horford who we all would love to have.

[RunDogGun]

It's quite ironic that we should/could have had both Deng and Noah, but stupid trades for cash and the lotto devils change everything.

Or Iguodala instead of Deng. One pick from Horford who we all would love to have.

That's why I said could have. I think Horford would have gone third, so I don't think we had any chance at him, while Noah would be there at four or five.

[Qwigglez]

I would do a trade with the Bulls for Noah.
A package like this...
Noah + Hinrich

for

Okafor + Plumlee + Goodwin
Indy's 1st, Suns 1st (top 10 protected)

By the time his contract expires we can give Len the helm at center.

[TheDoctor]

Wasn't plan A in the big FA frenzy of capspace clearing Kobe + Nash? And Q was significantly down the priority list?

[JDLAW]

No they could not clear enough to acquire Kobe and Nash. They checked with Kobe to see if there was any interest and quickly moved on. Kobe was staying in LA with the Lakers or Clips. Nash and QRich combined were about what Kobe got.

[JDLAW]

I know the history of those picks, and my statement still holds true, and not a myth or urban legend. We traded the Deng pick for money (clear money), and we lost out on Noah due to ATL getting the third pick (lotto demons).

But thanks for the backstory, that most of us know.

You obviously do not know the backstory if you continue to maintain we could have drafted Iguodola or Deng. The deal was in place before the draft and the Suns did draft Deng. He was traded for a first round pick in 2005 and and 2nd rounder plus some cash.

[phrazbit]

I know the history of those picks, and my statement still holds true, and not a myth or urban legend. We traded the Deng pick for money (clear money), and we lost out on Noah due to ATL getting the third pick (lotto demons).

But thanks for the backstory, that most of us know.

You obviously do not know the backstory if you continue to maintain we could have drafted Iguodola or Deng. The deal was in place before the draft and the Suns did draft Deng. He was traded for a first round pick in 2005 and and 2nd rounder plus some cash.

The Suns could have drafted Iggy or Deng. There was no gun to their head forcing them to make a deal leading up to the draft. It was our pick! Hell, not only that, but after Iggy ended up being on the board (unexpected at the time) the Suns could have easily backed out of the deal. Sure Chicago would be pissed, but tough darts! Golden State shafted us far worse when they drafted Curry for us then kept him.

I know, even at the time, I was bummed, but it was mostly because I am a UofA guy and looooooooved Iggy. Felt like him and Marion would have made for the most athletic wing pairing in the league, to hell with signing Q-Rich to a crappy contract.

[bwgood77]

In hindsight, they turned out to be a series of regrettable moves, but in the immediacy of the trade and the great 2004-05 season, the moves looked solid.

At the time, I was bothered by us signing Q though, when we already had Joe Johnson and wanted us to take Iguodala, though I am an AZ fan. I remember being more bothered when Sarver wouldn't extend JJ that summer partially because he had just signed Q. I'm guessing had we not signed Q, he would have had no problem with extending JJ that summer. It was hard to be too disappointed with it after the season got underway though.

As competitive as the Suns were under the Colangelo era, the one thing that bothered me was that they would just spend any cap space they had on whatever free agent was available, instead of perhaps a more conservative approach like McD is taking. The two examples that come to mind are the Q signing, and the summer we lost McDyess and immediately spent big money on Googs and Longley.

[RunDogGun]

I know the history of those picks, and my statement still holds true, and not a myth or urban legend. We traded the Deng pick for money (clear money), and we lost out on Noah due to ATL getting the third pick (lotto demons).

But thanks for the backstory, that most of us know.

You obviously do not know the backstory if you continue to maintain we could have drafted Iguodola or Deng. The deal was in place before the draft and the Suns did draft Deng. He was traded for a first round pick in 2005 and and 2nd rounder plus some cash.

The Suns could have drafted Iggy or Deng. There was no gun to their head forcing them to make a deal leading up to the draft. It was our pick! Hell, not only that, but after Iggy ended up being on the board (unexpected at the time) the Suns could have easily backed out of the deal. Sure Chicago would be pissed, but tough darts! Golden State shafted us far worse when they drafted Curry for us then kept him.

I know, even at the time, I was bummed, but it was mostly because I am a UofA guy and looooooooved Iggy. Felt like him and Marion would have made for the most athletic wing pairing in the league, to hell with signing Q-Rich to a crappy contract.

Moreover, if the pick was traded well before the draft, there would be no way we were clearing that space for Nash and Q, because there would be no way we would know we would sign them at that point.

Well unless you are suggesting that we tampered with FAs. If so, I want your proof.

[bwgood77]

As far as the argument about whether or not we could have taken Deng or Iggy, I just mean that I wished we wouldn't have ever planned on signing Q and agreed on a pre draft trade with Chicago in the first place. Whether or not we could have drafted them when the time came wasn't what I was saying when I responded to the post.

I do recall hearing at one point that we made the trade and hadn't expected Iggy (and maybe Deng too) to even be there when we picked.

But yes, I know there was a deal in place, I just didn't like that we made that deal and had planned on signing Q.

[JDLAW]

I am a U of A guy also and I also liked Iggy. But when you make a deal in this or other businesses you stick to it unless it becomes untenable. As a lawyer, I deal with this crap all of the time. When parties in a closed market go back on their word, they lose the trust of those they have to deal with in the future. It becomes very hard to deal with a party that does this.

We think the the Warriors did it to us and we were not too thrilled about it, the Warriors say the deal was never in place. The Warriors did a couple of other dirty dealings with other teams and it got to the point that no one would deal with them until they let Nelson go and brought in some trustworthy people. Even then it took a long time and ultimately a change in ownership before other teams began to trust them again.

I am not saying I like what the Suns did with that pick, because I do not, but there is a principle in dealing with your colleagues in this type of environment. If they lose trust in you, you cannot get anything done in the future. The "scorched earth" approach would not have worked well when it came time for the next Suns deal or the ones after that.

[Frank Lee]

I would do a trade with the Bulls for Noah.
A package like this...
Noah + Hinrich

for

Okafor + Plumlee + Goodwin
Indy's 1st, Suns 1st (top 10 protected)

By the time his contract expires we can give Len the helm at center.

Such Len hopes.... right now, he couldn't beat out Plumlee, and there is nothing that says he ever will. Cut it out.
I'm going to go back to what we have. If we make no deals, and somehow get OK4 healthy enough to give 15-20 minutes a night, our front line becomes quite better. That in itself may be a longshot, but it is an easy fix for a playoff run.... IF we have that opportunity. AND it costs us nothing.

There is no desperation in the FO to do anything. McDo just went fishing with our picks is all. This draft coming up, and its a long ways off...has the potential to be one of the more enjoyable FAN-WISE that we have had in yrs/decades.


I also disagree with trading Goodwin He is a very good investment/value that we have locked up cheap for the next 3-4 yrs. Besides, we don't want to have to take 1Upzy's and sf88's shoelaces from them.

[bwgood77]

Yeah, we really don't need to trade anyone right now. We are young, competitive, have potentially a bunch of first rounders over the next two years, and have a ton of cap space.

No other team can say they have all of those things. We don't need to rush into a deal just to make one. We have assets and flexibility to where any team that wants to make a deal with anyone else, might let us get into the deal because we have cap space, picks, assets, flexibility etc. to perhaps be a vehicle and a third team to help a deal get done between other teams. This is how we got Bledsoe.

[RunDogGun]

I also disagree with trading Goodwin He is a very good investment/value that we have locked up cheap for the next 3-4 yrs. Besides, we don't want to have to take 1Upzy's shoelaces from him.

that's right the Mad Kan't have shoelaces.