Suns Offseason Thread 3: Spurned for the Spurs

saintEscaton · Post #1081 » by **saintEscaton** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:04 pm

Alec Brown could become our greatest career DLeaguer yet. Better than the legendary likes of Alando Tucker and DJ Strawberry. Get hyped!!

Bogyo · Post #1082 » by **Bogyo** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:08 pm

carey wrote:
DarkHawk wrote:The better 'what if' would be, if they can't come to an agreement with Thompson, would people be willing to deal Kieff for Thompson?
We'd be overpaying TT but my understanding is, he's a better defender and not a headcase.

TT wants the same deal that Draymond Green got. Are you comfortable with TT on a 5/$82M deal? $16M+ a year? Double Markieff's salary just for a few more rebounds & slightly better post defense? The kid has no offensive game either. So it's not like you're getting Draymond's versatility.

Yup, he turned down 12+ last year, before his finals appearance. So I'm just gonna have to pass on that.

But with their recent acquisions, Boston and Orlando might have young PFs to go on the cheap. Andrew Nichols for the CLE pick for example?

RunDogGun · Post #1083 » by **RunDogGun** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:18 pm

SSOL wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
SSOL wrote:Am I mistaken or did someone just brag about...being a high school coach?

What's wrong with being a high school coach? With players often doing a one and done, high school coaching has become more important. Having a good high school coach, one who teaches the fundamental skills needed, a player can transition better going to the pros. Right?

I didn't say anything is wrong with being a high school coach. I asked if someone bragged about it and put other posters down because their opinions/takes are not rooted at the almighty high school level.

Did JMac say that, or are you reading intent when there wasn't one? I read something different. If he is good at being a high school coach,can't he brag, or merely just say he is good at it?

I thought he was implying that we should trust the judgement of the DLeague coaches in their evaluation of Alec. They thought he progressed nicely, although his stats may not reflect that. Do you agree with that assessment, or do you know more, that you could share?

RunDogGun · Post #1084 » by **RunDogGun** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:25 pm

saintEscaton wrote:Alec Brown could become our greatest career DLeaguer yet. Better than the legendary likes of Alando Tucker and DJ Strawberry. Get hyped!!

I'm not sure how that adds to the discussion of Alec Brown. Aren't you a poster of the week?

jcsunsfan · Post #1085 » by **jcsunsfan** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:33 pm

Bogyo wrote:
carey wrote:
DarkHawk wrote:The better 'what if' would be, if they can't come to an agreement with Thompson, would people be willing to deal Kieff for Thompson?
We'd be overpaying TT but my understanding is, he's a better defender and not a headcase.

TT wants the same deal that Draymond Green got. Are you comfortable with TT on a 5/$82M deal? $16M+ a year? Double Markieff's salary just for a few more rebounds & slightly better post defense? The kid has no offensive game either. So it's not like you're getting Draymond's versatility.

Yup, he turned down 12+ last year, before his finals appearance. So I'm just gonna have to pass on that.

But with their recent acquisions, Boston and Orlando might have young PFs to go on the cheap. Andrew Nichols for the CLE pick for example?

Whatever TT finally agrees to will be too much. It will be immediately one of the worst, most untradeable deals in the league.

saintEscaton · Post #1086 » by **saintEscaton** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:44 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:Alec Brown could become our greatest career DLeaguer yet. Better than the legendary likes of Alando Tucker and DJ Strawberry. Get hyped!!

I'm not sure how that adds to the discussion of Alec Brown. Aren't you a poster of the week?

Apologies. But Brown's best case scenario is he adds enough muscle mass onto his rail thin frame (closer to 250) and develops adequate functional strength to avoid getting pushed off the low block./away from the basket and he lacks a repertoire of post moves to establish an inside presence. His shot blocking wont translate to the next level most likely but he does posses a nice wingspan/standing reach combo at his disposal to contest the perimeter . Regardless he struggles boxing out/ will surrender positions to rebounders and get bullied in the paint. So if he can attain an NBA-ready physique his best case scenario being a rotational pick and pop/face up Stretch 4 who can have his defensive deficiencies masked by having a rim protector like Len/Chandler playing alongside him at the 5. But even that is a longshot imo

Post #1087 » by **rsavaj** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:45 pm

We need more shooting. Hopeful about Booker but the dude isn't ready. Surprised we don't want to bring Green back as he's a decent shooter on the cheap.

Any other options out there in FA?

NTB · Post #1088 » by **NTB** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:52 pm

rsavaj wrote:We need more shooting. Hopeful about Booker but the dude isn't ready. Surprised we don't want to bring Green back as he's a decent shooter on the cheap.

Any other options out there in FA?

We need spot-up shooting. Green is not a spot-up shooter.

bigfoot · Post #1089 » by **bigfoot** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:08 pm

NTB wrote:
rsavaj wrote:We need more shooting. Hopeful about Booker but the dude isn't ready. Surprised we don't want to bring Green back as he's a decent shooter on the cheap.

Any other options out there in FA?

We need spot-up shooting. Green is not a spot-up shooter.

We need more three point shooting at the SG and PF positions. Suns had a bottom 3 point shooting percentage but a top 3 point shot volume last year. If we can't hit our threes we can't open the driving lanes for Bledsoe, Knight, or Goodwin. If our PF and C are both poor shooters from 16' and out we are in serious trouble. Add to the unknown progress of Warren's three point shot and we may be really sunk. Right now our only hope at PF is that one of the summer league bigs really pans out.

jcsunsfan · Post #1090 » by **jcsunsfan** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:11 pm

NTB wrote:
rsavaj wrote:We need more shooting. Hopeful about Booker but the dude isn't ready. Surprised we don't want to bring Green back as he's a decent shooter on the cheap.

Any other options out there in FA?

We need spot-up shooting. Green is not a spot-up shooter.

He is more athletic that what you a normally think of for a spot up shooter, but he is a spot up shooter too. When he is hot, he can get a shot up and in over anyone from any place on the court. But he is hot and cold. I would love to have Gerald back. He was a team guy.

RunDogGun · Post #1091 » by **RunDogGun** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:14 pm

saintEscaton wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:Alec Brown could become our greatest career DLeaguer yet. Better than the legendary likes of Alando Tucker and DJ Strawberry. Get hyped!!

I'm not sure how that adds to the discussion of Alec Brown. Aren't you a poster of the week?

Apologies. But Brown's best case scenario is he adds enough muscle mass onto his rail thin frame (closer to 250) and develops adequate functional strength to avoid getting pushed off the low block./away from the basket and he lacks a repertoire of post moves to establish an inside presence. His shot blocking wont translate to the next level most likely but he does posses a nice wingspan/standing reach combo at his disposal to contest the perimeter . Regardless he struggles boxing out/ will surrender positions to rebounders and get bullied in the paint. So if he can attain an NBA-ready physique his best case scenario being a rotational pick and pop/face up Stretch 4 who can have his defensive deficiencies masked by having a rim protector like Len/Chandler playing alongside him at the 5. But even that is a longshot imo

But everyone has been talking about him as a deep bench player, so what is the harm? Your post came off as if some here are suggesting he starts.

Sure he has a lot to work on, but he is anothe mobile big, who shot 40% from three in college. He had two blocks a game in the DLeague, so I don't know why you feel it wouldn't translate to regular NBA.

Sunsdeuce · Post #1092 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:16 pm

This deandre Jordan drama is getting good!!!!

Nando88 · Post #1093 » by **Nando88** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:18 pm

Ugh just one more day.

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King4Day · Post #1094 » by **King4Day** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:19 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:This deandre Jordan drama is getting good!!!!

Totally! As an outsider looking in...I hope he stays with the Clippers.

King4Day · Post #1095 » by **King4Day** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:20 pm

Any word if Aldridge is having second thoughts about San Antonio?

Walt_Uoob · Post #1096 » by **Walt_Uoob** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:28 pm

I'm starting to think our roster is pretty much set for the season. A Kieff trade is still possible but I don't see one that makes us better so I bet they'll try to patch things up and support him, at least to rebuild his trade value but also because he'll help us win basketball games.

Assuming Kieff is suspended to start the year, the coaches will be forced / have the opportunity to give a lot of PF minutes to Leuer, Tucker, Len, and Warren, which will help identify who's best suited to play those minutes when Kieff is back. We might see some really small lineups and some experimentation with Len at PF next to Chandler, but that's manageable for the 16 minutes Kieff will sit each game.

A third PG and some more PF/C depth will be necessary, but I doubt they'll play much. Just as a rough example: Bledsoe 32 / Knight 32 / Goodwin 16 / Booker 12 / Tucker 30 / Warren 24 / Kieff 32 / Leuer 8 / Len 24 / Chandler 30 = a full 240 minutes split among 10 guys. That example would mean the PF minutes go something like Kieff 32 / Leuer 8 / Len 6 / Tucker or Warren 2. Something like that.

Revived · Post #1097 » by **Revived** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:35 pm

Lmao this Mavs/Clippers stuff is great.

Post #1098 » by **rsavaj** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:35 pm

So with all these DeAndre shenanigans...maybe we should ask for a 2nd meeting with LMA lol

NTB · Post #1099 » by **NTB** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:36 pm

I hope DJ goes to LA. And we will make playoffs.

Lol Mavs can't even tank with their pick goes to Boston.

gaspar · Post #1100 » by **gaspar** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:38 pm

Walt_Uoob wrote:I'm starting to think our roster is pretty much set for the season. A Kieff trade is still possible but I don't see one that makes us better so I bet they'll try to patch things up and support him, at least to rebuild his trade value but also because he'll help us win basketball games.

Assuming Kieff is suspended to start the year, the coaches will be forced / have the opportunity to give a lot of PF minutes to Leuer, Tucker, Len, and Warren, which will help identify who's best suited to play those minutes when Kieff is back. We might see some really small lineups and some experimentation with Len at PF next to Chandler, but that's manageable for the 16 minutes Kieff will sit each game.

A third PG and some more PF/C depth will be necessary, but I doubt they'll play much. Just as a rough example: Bledsoe 32 / Knight 32 / Goodwin 16 / Booker 12 / Tucker 30 / Warren 24 / Kieff 32 / Leuer 8 / Len 24 / Chandler 30 = a full 240 minutes split among 10 guys. That example would mean the PF minutes go something like Kieff 32 / Leuer 8 / Len 6 / Tucker or Warren 2. Something like that.

Naaah. We will add at least 3 more players. We have to. IMO our main target is gonna be a legit backup PF (still some good options there: Arthur, Amare, Hill, Teletovic). I can't see us going into the season with Leuer as our main backup PF. We will most likely sign a shooter SG/SF and a 3rd string PG too.