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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1081 » by kennydorglas » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:20 am

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Whatever team signs him should look to James Harden’s career for inspiration: Make Griffin the full-time point guard and let him play with the ball in his hands the entire game. Positional designations have become increasingly meaningless in recent years, but who brings the ball up the floor and initiates the offense still matters. Harden isn’t the only nontraditional point guard who has thrived as his team’s lead ball handler. After starting his career as a small forward, Giannis Antetokounmpo became one of the best players in the NBA when the Bucks gave him full control of the offense. Harden and Giannis don’t need anyone else setting them up. They are at their best when they are creators rather than finishers; the threat of their offense opens up the game for everyone else.

Blake is one of the best passers, 6-foot-9 or taller, in NBA history. He is one of six current players his height to have a season with an assist rate higher than 25 percent, and one of only 13 players to ever do it. There have just not been many basketball players with his combination of size, speed, and ballhandling and passing ability before, and the best way to utilize him is to have him be the player throwing alley-oops, not catching them. Not only would using Blake as a point guard make him a better player, it would give his team more flexibility when it comes to the types of lineups he could be used in and the players he could be put around.

One possible solution would be to play him as a small-ball 5, à la Draymond Green, but his below-average wingspan (6-foot-11) puts a clear ceiling on his ability to protect the rim, and even with his incredible leaping ability, he has never averaged a block a game. Using Griffin as a point forward would allow his team to forgo a traditional point guard, creating room in the lineup for another multipositional defender who could stretch the defense as a spot-up shooter, while still keeping a rim-protecting 5 on the floor next to him.


https://theringer.com/2017-nba-free-agency-blake-griffin-point-guard-eeae6cd3b18d

If we sign him HE should be our point, and we need to have a rim protector next to him. We also need floor spreaders. It's too bad we don't have more good shooters or a solid rim protector outside of Len, but Griffin would be best with the ball in his hands.


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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1082 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:20 am

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bwgood77 wrote:Here is the updated cap sheet. For the pacific division you have to go to the Western Conference tab at the bottom, click on that sheet, and scroll to the right.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1T2Eg_zvqNqQD_5TpE4Ns6xhElatXdLpYG1roZtRLyvE/edit?usp=sharing


Is that including JJ cap hold?


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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1083 » by DRK » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:28 am

Is it possible we sign BG from the Clippers, then trade for Deandre Jordan? We can dump Knights contract on the Clippers but also can give them one of our good assests, such as the Miami pick. That would allow us to create enough cap room for Blake, and we can take on deAndre.
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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1086 » by Frank Lee » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:33 am

I think we keep Chandler as his deal drops off when we need to spend again.... and he'll be about done. But for now, he is coming off a well rested season and you know he is taking advantage of the miracle workers on the med staff. No worries about his health with me...

He is likely a selling point to BG as well as Dudley. To me, the odd man out is Warren, as he is next up for the ching ching and frankly, has as much value as anyone not named Booker or Bled


and of course Len is gone / replaced by Williams
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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1087 » by rsavaj » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:41 am

can somebody who's taken a look at the numbers tell me if maybe we'd have enough room if we A) renounced Len(removed his cap hold that way) and then B) stretched Knight?
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Post#1088 » by Frank Lee » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:46 am

Look.... McDo knows his numbers. its his GD job. I dont think we have to worry about any chance of us NOT being able to sign a max player. This has been McDs dream
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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1089 » by enigmatics » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:51 am

If McDonugggghhh lets Blake leave without a contract I'm going to be L-I-V-I-D.

It's highly unlikely all these youngsters pan out. We need a Griffin-caliber guy here to show them how it's done. Granted he's been hurt more than I like, but we have a world-class training staff here.
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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1090 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:54 am

rsavaj wrote:can somebody who's taken a look at the numbers tell me if maybe we'd have enough room if we A) renounced Len(removed his cap hold that way) and then B) stretched Knight?


I think so. I think that would put us somewhere between $73-74 million and the cap is $99.

I think if it comes down to it, we should just trade away a first and put protection on it to trade Knight. I'd rather do that than stretch him (I think). As long as it never becomes unprotected and turns into 2 seconds or something.

It's amazing if we didn't have the Knight, Chandler and Dudley contracts that's like $37 million this year. Three guys that mostly sit on the bench.
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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1092 » by Frank Lee » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:56 am

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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1093 » by DirtyDez » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:58 am

bwgood77 wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Here is the updated cap sheet. For the pacific division you have to go to the Western Conference tab at the bottom, click on that sheet, and scroll to the right.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1T2Eg_zvqNqQD_5TpE4Ns6xhElatXdLpYG1roZtRLyvE/edit?usp=sharing


Is that including JJ cap hold?


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Interesting. Hoopshype has the same cap space figure available and it's not including any cap holds. I added up the salaries myself.

Shouldn't be an issue as they could cut Barbosa and trade Dudley.
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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1094 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:02 am

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bwgood77 wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
Is that including JJ cap hold?


Yes


Interesting. Hoopshype has the same cap space figure available and it's not including any cap holds. I added up the salaries myself.

Shouldn't be an issue as they could cut Barbosa and trade Dudley.


Well, it's a writer/mod for the forum here who does it so it could be wrong but it is pretty extensive. I was trying to check the cells and look at the formulas but I don't know all the rules.

Trading Dudley is the easiest solution. The is very tradeable. It would be dumb to dump a guy like Warren on a rookie contract who has more upside and just broke out when you could just trade a cheerleader. I love Duds, but you gotta do what's best for the team in the long run.
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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1095 » by Qwigglez » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:05 am

So this is some slight concern.
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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1096 » by jredsaz » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:14 am

We sign Blake to a 3+1 max deal on Saturday. And in November the offense will run through him. I've been preaching for a month and it's coming to fruition!

He is the key to the positionless system McD has been cultivating. There will be plenty of minutes to go around. He will help Benders development as much as anything this organization could do.
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Post#1097 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:14 am

Qwigglez wrote:So this is some slight concern.
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It's a super huge risk for a guy that has missed almost half of his games the last two years to sign him only to probably have a team that gets eliminated in the first round and slow down development of our players and go back to those mid first round picks.

But, ti would be fun to watch if healthy and maybe we win a round in a few years. And we already have quite a few nice players from the last 4 drafts so perhaps we have enough, and we likely wouldn't have gotten a top 5 pick this coming year anyway, so you might as well accelerate and get a premier player when available.

He would definitely put a face on the franchise for the casual fan.
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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1098 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:16 am

jredsaz wrote:We sign Blake to a 3+1 max deal on Saturday. And in November the offense will run through him. I've been preaching for a month and it's coming to fruition!

He is the key to the positionless system McD has been cultivating. There will be plenty of minutes to go around. He will help Benders development as much as anything this organization could do.


Why Bender's development specifically?
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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1099 » by Frank Lee » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:16 am

bwgood77 wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Yes


Interesting. Hoopshype has the same cap space figure available and it's not including any cap holds. I added up the salaries myself.

Shouldn't be an issue as they could cut Barbosa and trade Dudley.


Well, it's a writer/mod for the forum here who does it so it could be wrong but it is pretty extensive. I was trying to check the cells and look at the formulas but I don't know all the rules.

Trading Dudley is the easiest solution. The is very tradeable. It would be dumb to dump a guy like Warren on a rookie contract who has more upside and just broke out when you could just trade a cheerleader. I love Duds, but you gotta do what's best for the team in the long run.


long run.... Dudley's deal ends..... and Warren will cost us plenty.
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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1100 » by rsavaj » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:18 am

jredsaz wrote:We sign Blake to a 3+1 max deal on Saturday. And in November the offense will run through him. I've been preaching for a month and it's coming to fruition!

He is the key to the positionless system McD has been cultivating. There will be plenty of minutes to go around. He will help Benders development as much as anything this organization could do.


3+1 would be ideal

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