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bwgood77 wrote:NTB wrote:
The tweet supposed to be this:A lot of players were mentioning at practice how Elfrid is going to bring more of a defensive mentality. Many called him a great defender.
Payton has simply been terrible on defense this season.
They deleted it.
Who is "They"?
carey wrote:It is 2-time, every time.
ATTL wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Waylay13 wrote:
Doncic has already have more experience against real comp then anyone else in this draft. I may question a lot of things about Him but lets not pretend he is something he isnt. He has played more games against real professional players then anyone in college.
There is little doubt in my mind Doncic will come in and have immediate impact. I mean, a year and a half ago, when he was 17, his team played the Thunder, and as you can see here, he is playing PG, even guarding Westbrook pretty well early in the video. I mean he was basically leading a team at 17 and playing the Thunder tight...I know it's preseason but still...typically these teams get blown out.
He just looked poised. I just watched Trae Young against Texas and it's safe to say if he went up against Westbrook and a team like the Thunder right now, he'd not look nearly as poised as this guy did a year and a half ago....and since then he led his team to win eurocup.
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I like him, i think he's a 2/3 and don't think it would be prudent to draft another wing when we have good/great players there and gaping holes at other positions when similar tier prospects are available.
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sunsbum wrote:NTB wrote:
Too bad the Celtics could whip any offer we have for AD. Dame isn't going anywhere and I'd certainly be careful about a guy like John Wall, doesn't seem like a great locker room presence from what I've read.
bwgood77 wrote:sunsbum wrote:NTB wrote:
Too bad the Celtics could whip any offer we have for AD. Dame isn't going anywhere and I'd certainly be careful about a guy like John Wall, doesn't seem like a great locker room presence from what I've read.
Cant' see Lillard or Davis being moved. Wall isn't worth his contract. McD is always going to make things sound good. And yeah, we don't have the assets to make a move unless we trade our pick or Booker or another unprotected pick which would be unwise. Maybe not for Davis, but again, I don't think he will be moved. They've tried to hard to build around him, and Cousins getting injured gives them somewhat of an excuse for not making playoffs if they don't make it. If they re-sign Cousins, they will keep it together..and apparently they really like playing together.
bwgood77 wrote:BobbieL wrote:bwgood77 wrote:
Agree about Knight. I am not sure I'd touch Cousins coming off a torn achilles. Most all players who have come back from that have been a shell of their former selves...many only played another year or so.
here is the thing about Knight - how do you know what you have to stretch him? this is probably not like Luol Deng or Joakim Noah - those guys look done!
at least see what knight has for a year, if healthy and who knows, he might be decent and add value. he might be better which makes him a possibility for trade
and again, is there a free agent worth paying max money for out there? I think use some assets and make a trade. Than in 2019 - Chandler, Dudley, Daniels, possibly Sauce, maybe Payton if on a one year deal - are all off the books and maybe then you go for that max player
one key though - and this is the most important decision - the team needs the right head coach. And that is NOT Jason kidd or some other guy without experience. Thunder Dan - sure he has coached both as an assistant and at GCU. Fizdale, Triano, Messina, the other guy on the SPurs, Borrego (sp), even Mike Brown, JB Bickerstaff.
I wouldn't stretch him. He'd be hanging onto the cap for years. Next summer (19) if we needed to in order to sign someone, so we could stretch his 1 year of remaining salary to 3 years, and knock like $10 million off (I think that's how it would work), it would make sense. But I don't think it makes sense to stretch him this summer...it just lingers for longer on our cap sheet and actually work work more against us in 2019.
We could probably create a lot of space with Chandler and Dudley coming off and stretching Knight if we needed to before re-signing Booker.
WeekapaugGroove wrote:It scares me what a desperate McD might do this summer.
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:WeekapaugGroove wrote:It scares me what a desperate McD might do this summer.
I take it you're scared of Clint Capela, then?
1UPZ wrote:bwgood77 wrote:BobbieL wrote:
here is the thing about Knight - how do you know what you have to stretch him? this is probably not like Luol Deng or Joakim Noah - those guys look done!
at least see what knight has for a year, if healthy and who knows, he might be decent and add value. he might be better which makes him a possibility for trade
and again, is there a free agent worth paying max money for out there? I think use some assets and make a trade. Than in 2019 - Chandler, Dudley, Daniels, possibly Sauce, maybe Payton if on a one year deal - are all off the books and maybe then you go for that max player
one key though - and this is the most important decision - the team needs the right head coach. And that is NOT Jason kidd or some other guy without experience. Thunder Dan - sure he has coached both as an assistant and at GCU. Fizdale, Triano, Messina, the other guy on the SPurs, Borrego (sp), even Mike Brown, JB Bickerstaff.
I wouldn't stretch him. He'd be hanging onto the cap for years. Next summer (19) if we needed to in order to sign someone, so we could stretch his 1 year of remaining salary to 3 years, and knock like $10 million off (I think that's how it would work), it would make sense. But I don't think it makes sense to stretch him this summer...it just lingers for longer on our cap sheet and actually work work more against us in 2019.
We could probably create a lot of space with Chandler and Dudley coming off and stretching Knight if we needed to before re-signing Booker.
Unless some people here have paid tickets to watch Doncic live. I'm similar that I've seen all his videos online.... And what I see is a taller stiffer less crafty Ginobili.. That's my take after trying to envision him in the league.
On a team where he is given free roam to handle the ball and dominate possesions I see him putting pretty good numbers eventually. I'm struggling to envision him carrying the scoring load it Booker is not hitting shots or Warren is cold. But I see him putting up nice passes and layups here and there.
On a systematic team that allows him to be the backup ball handler and play maker with great executors around he'd be great!
I think for what the Suns have... Booker, Warren and Jackson.
Trae would slide in and contribute immediately. Suns need scoring? Boom! He shoots 3s from the side of the barn. Suns need play making? Trae can do that too. Basically for what the Suns have... He will help immediately.
Ayton I love! Because he just fixes suns inside problem. You need a big man to finish dunks consistently? He can do it. You need someone to focus on rebounding that doesn't require fighting team mates for it? He can do it! He will actually body up the other team's big man in doing so.
Shot blocking? Its there... But not as prominent as I was hoping for.
Bamba is my second choice center obviously.
Bagley?
I see him taking over that PF spot and not looking back. He's a safe pick for me as well.
So Trae, Ayton, Bagley, Doncic, Porter, Bamba, Jackson Jr are my preference order... But will change post work puts and measurements.
Waylay13 wrote:alphagorilla wrote:this is what I'm hoping for this summer.
- Draft Ayton
- Trade Chriss/bender + bucks pick + Knight/chandler for Kevin Love
- Get a solid backup PG
Payton / ?
Booker/ Daniels
Jackson/TJ
Love/Bender
Ayton/Williams
One time!!!
The problem with this is that love is well out of the timeline and he is already slowing down a great deal. You might get some development time with him from as the rest of the team learned what it takes to win in the playoffs but then he would be gone and we would be short a power forward.
carey wrote:It is 2-time, every time.
Kdab wrote:
Why is this not on the Wiretap?
carey wrote:It is 2-time, every time.
alphagorilla wrote:Waylay13 wrote:alphagorilla wrote:this is what I'm hoping for this summer.
- Draft Ayton
- Trade Chriss/bender + bucks pick + Knight/chandler for Kevin Love
- Get a solid backup PG
Payton / ?
Booker/ Daniels
Jackson/TJ
Love/Bender
Ayton/Williams
One time!!!
The problem with this is that love is well out of the timeline and he is already slowing down a great deal. You might get some development time with him from as the rest of the team learned what it takes to win in the playoffs but then he would be gone and we would be short a power forward.
YES! I'm so tired of this always next year and get better pick culture that we have adapted to. If Love can be the X factor to get this team to playoffs and get the other players to understand what making the playoffs means I'll happily sacrifice Chriss and a pick. If we're a playoffs team and Love walks the year after we're in good position to sign another good player to continue to compete.