2019 season speculation including trade ideas

[SlovenianDragon]

https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nba/2019/11/4/20944001/phoenix-suns-how-are-they-good?__twitter_impression=true

Good article on how the suns are playing schematically.

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good read...

Is this like %? Or is this a real stat....

"Fifty-six of Booker’s buckets are assisted this season compared to just 36 last year"

[lilfishi22]

https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nba/2019/11/4/20944001/phoenix-suns-how-are-they-good?__twitter_impression=true

Good article on how the suns are playing schematically.

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good read...

Is this like %? Or is this a real stat....

"Fifty-six of Booker’s buckets are assisted this season compared to just 36 last year"

Yeah I had to look at the stats to be sure because it was kind of misleading. It's actually %

[cberry78]

https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nba/2019/11/4/20944001/phoenix-suns-how-are-they-good?__twitter_impression=true

Good article on how the suns are playing schematically.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using RealGM mobile app

good read...

Is this like %? Or is this a real stat....

"Fifty-six of Booker’s buckets are assisted this season compared to just 36 last year"

Yeah I had to look at the stats to be sure because it was kind of misleading. It's actually %

The same stat was used here - https://www.nba.com/powerrankings/2019-20-week-3

NBA.com has us ranked 12th this week, up 2 spots from last week.

Phoenix Suns
Record: 4-2
Pace: 103.8 (12) OffRtg: 109.0 (8) DefRtg: 100.5 (7) NetRtg: +8.5 (3)
Another week of games hasn't done anything to dispel the notion that the Suns are legit. They beat two one-win teams - the Warriors and Grizzlies - last week, but road wins (which both were) are good wins and the Suns were a wide-open Kelly Oubre corner three from beating the Jazz on Monday. One of the two teams that rank in the top 10 in both offensive and defensive efficiency is the only team that ranked in the bottom three on both ends of the floor last season. The Suns leads the league in assist percentage, having assisted on 69% of their buckets and also jumped from 29th to 14th in turnover rate. Devin Booker's assist rate is down from a career-high 20.2 per 100 possessions last season, but the percentage of his own buckets that have been assisted has jumped from 36% last season to 57% this season. He's been assisted by eight different teammates, and he's one of three Suns - Tyler Johnson and Aron Baynes (!) are the others - with an effective field goal percentage better than 70% on at least 15 catch-and-shoot jumpers. The Suns have two six-game homestands this season and the first begins Monday with a visit from the league's only undefeated team.

[bwgood77]

This is one reason it will be interesting when Ayton returns.....it will clog our lane so players will not be able to drive as much...

Crucially, Phoenix doesn’t allows two players in the paint at the same time, which would only shrink the space for each. Instead, their bigs often hang on the perimeter to open the lane for their wings to cut through. Baynes’ remarkable mid-career transformation into a giant flamethrower is especially important: he’s taking nearly seven threes per 36 minutes while hitting 46 percent of them, which is astonishing. Nowadays, he sets screens, chills at the line as his guards drive, and waits for the opposing center to either help too much on the ball-handler or, hilariously, cede a wide open shot for a way better teammate in fear of his own shooting.

Of course Ayton's FG% inside is obviously solid, but the wings and point guards will have to settle for more jump shots.

[WeekapaugGroove]

This is one reason it will be interesting when Ayton returns.....it will clog our lane so players will not be able to drive as much...

Crucially, Phoenix doesn’t allows two players in the paint at the same time, which would only shrink the space for each. Instead, their bigs often hang on the perimeter to open the lane for their wings to cut through. Baynes’ remarkable mid-career transformation into a giant flamethrower is especially important: he’s taking nearly seven threes per 36 minutes while hitting 46 percent of them, which is astonishing. Nowadays, he sets screens, chills at the line as his guards drive, and waits for the opposing center to either help too much on the ball-handler or, hilariously, cede a wide open shot for a way better teammate in fear of his own shooting.

Of course Ayton's FG% inside is obviously solid, but the wings and point guards will have to settle for more jump shots.

I think Ayton is going to start shooting 3's and he's actually a pretty decent passer so they can use him to do some of that in the high post.

I thought the defensive stuff was very interested in this article. For years the suns have been an absolute train wreck from a schematic team d perspective. They might have finally found a system thats simple and works. They pre-rotation stuff is interesting.

[Crives]

This is one reason it will be interesting when Ayton returns.....it will clog our lane so players will not be able to drive as much...

Crucially, Phoenix doesn’t allows two players in the paint at the same time, which would only shrink the space for each. Instead, their bigs often hang on the perimeter to open the lane for their wings to cut through. Baynes’ remarkable mid-career transformation into a giant flamethrower is especially important: he’s taking nearly seven threes per 36 minutes while hitting 46 percent of them, which is astonishing. Nowadays, he sets screens, chills at the line as his guards drive, and waits for the opposing center to either help too much on the ball-handler or, hilariously, cede a wide open shot for a way better teammate in fear of his own shooting.

Of course Ayton's FG% inside is obviously solid, but the wings and point guards will have to settle for more jump shots.

I think Ayton is going to start shooting 3's and he's actually a pretty decent passer so they can use him to do some of that in the high post.

I thought the defensive stuff was very interested in this article. For years the suns have been an absolute train wreck from a schematic team d perspective. They might have finally found a system thats simple and works. They pre-rotation stuff is interesting.

Sounds like this defense should be good against a team like Philly.

[lilfishi22]

This is one reason it will be interesting when Ayton returns.....it will clog our lane so players will not be able to drive as much...

Crucially, Phoenix doesn’t allows two players in the paint at the same time, which would only shrink the space for each. Instead, their bigs often hang on the perimeter to open the lane for their wings to cut through. Baynes’ remarkable mid-career transformation into a giant flamethrower is especially important: he’s taking nearly seven threes per 36 minutes while hitting 46 percent of them, which is astonishing. Nowadays, he sets screens, chills at the line as his guards drive, and waits for the opposing center to either help too much on the ball-handler or, hilariously, cede a wide open shot for a way better teammate in fear of his own shooting.

Of course Ayton's FG% inside is obviously solid, but the wings and point guards will have to settle for more jump shots.

I think Ayton is going to start shooting 3's and he's actually a pretty decent passer so they can use him to do some of that in the high post.

I thought the defensive stuff was very interested in this article. For years the suns have been an absolute train wreck from a schematic team d perspective. They might have finally found a system thats simple and works. They pre-rotation stuff is interesting.

Don't see him shooting 3's regularly this season but he'll be taking a lot of those LMA mid-range shots which would keep him out of the paint to allow drives to the basket.

[bwgood77]

This was very surprising to read.

viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1904364&start=180#p79320996

Though I don't recommend posting on their forum because it's not a good look after a team has a loss to post there....especially a good team...a bad one it's fine talking about a great future or something.

I've watched big things blow up when a good team lost to a team people didn't think were great, and it blows up and never ends well with anyone involved.

[carey]

Question: how do you like the 2020 bench mob versus the 2010 one?

Dudley, Dragic, Barbosa, RoLo and Sweet Lou versus Carter, Bridges, TyJo, Cam and Frank.

[spanishninja]

crap I just noticed something. now that we beat the sixers, our next game will ALSO be against the top team in the east, as I guess Miami is technically above Philly now

[Qwigglez]

This was very surprising to read.

viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1904364&start=180#p79320996

Though I don't recommend posting on their forum because it's not a good look after a team has a loss to post there....especially a good team...a bad one it's fine talking about a great future or something.

I've watched big things blow up when a good team lost to a team people didn't think were great, and it blows up and never ends well with anyone involved.

Yup. Though a couple of their posters migrated to our board during the game and they really didn't contribute anything, seemed like they just wanted to gloat about their team.

However a few of their posters actually made meaningful posts.

[Qwigglez]

Question: how do you like the 2020 bench mob versus the 2010 one?

Dudley, Dragic, Barbosa, RoLo and Sweet Lou versus Carter, Bridges, TyJo, Cam and Frank.

If I'm being honest, the 2010 one because that team was just so fun to watch. It was a good mixture of defense and offense. Our bench mob this year is exciting because they are so young and have that mystery what-if factor, but they haven't contributed enough offensively yet. I'm excited for Ayton's return because Baynes will really anchor our bench, and then we can really talk about the 2020 bench mob vs the 2010 bench mob.

[JDJ26]

Getting Ayton back will be like making a big trade halfway through the season. I just hope he's got a great mindset and comes out hungry and ready to prove himself again. Love Aaron Baynes, we're so lucky to have him.

Only trade I would consider now is for Galinari but even that, I'm not sure who I'm comfortable with giving up. The chemistry is great do we want to screw that up?

Suns shouldn't make any trades. Team chemistry is very high at the moment. I think the team should see how well they play when Ayton comes back. I think the team will be much improved with Ayton eventually becoming the starter again and Baynes is moved back to the backup role off the bench.

[Jorgeglez7]

This was very surprising to read.

viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1904364&start=180#p79320996

Though I don't recommend posting on their forum because it's not a good look after a team has a loss to post there....especially a good team...a bad one it's fine talking about a great future or something.

I've watched big things blow up when a good team lost to a team people didn't think were great, and it blows up and never ends well with anyone involved.

Really interesting indeed.

Do they want to trade Simmons? The truth is that he's been awful in both aspects of the game thorughout the whole match. I mean yeah he got 7 steals, but all in the first half with like 4 stupid ones at the beginning of the first quarter. He did absolutely nothing on offense and he wouldn't defend seriously Rubio even when he was making his shots and distributing the game painfully for the 76ers.

[bwgood77]

Question: how do you like the 2020 bench mob versus the 2010 one?

Dudley, Dragic, Barbosa, RoLo and Sweet Lou versus Carter, Bridges, TyJo, Cam and Frank.

If I'm being honest, the 2010 one because that team was just so fun to watch. It was a good mixture of defense and offense. Our bench mob this year is exciting because they are so young and have that mystery what-if factor, but they haven't contributed enough offensively yet. I'm excited for Ayton's return because Baynes will really anchor our bench, and then we can really talk about the 2020 bench mob vs the 2010 bench mob.

Yeah, 2010 without a doubt. Now, as the season progresses and we get Jerome back and at some point put Baynes in the second unit, that one will possibly even be better. Jerome/Tyjo/Bridges/Frank/Cam....and then you can put Carter or Cam in there at 1/4 for a different look without dropoff...more D at PG and shooting at SF. Might lack playmaking though as Jerome and Frank can be good passers. TyJo, Bridges and Baynes are good passers though.

[bwgood77]

Poll results and Ayton at PF...

Please no. Ayton is a C. If he can't be an elite C that will be sad.

[sunsbg]

Poll results and Ayton at PF...

Please no. Ayton is a C. If he can't be an elite C that will be sad.

Need to find time for both somehow, only way is to play them together. Maybe it works after all. To have a sustainable success have to find playing time for the younger players, that's for sure. No idea what are the odds of Baynes coming back next season.

Btw, you wanted Clarke to play next to Ayton, not sure why you think it's that different and destined to fail (it's possible though).

[Qwigglez]

Poll results and Ayton at PF...

Please no. Ayton is a C. If he can't be an elite C that will be sad.

I'm confused, you wouldn't want Baynes to start at PF with Ayton at C?

[Crives]

Poll results and Ayton at PF...

Please no. Ayton is a C. If he can't be an elite C that will be sad.

I'm confused, you wouldn't want Baynes to start at PF with Ayton at C?

Why can’t Ayton play center on offense and pf on defense in certain matchups? Ayton did a great job on pfs like Giannis. Baynes has shown he can stretch the floor at the 4 on offense.

[hollywood6964]

Poll results and Ayton at PF...

Please no. Ayton is a C. If he can't be an elite C that will be sad.

I'm confused, you wouldn't want Baynes to start at PF with Ayton at C?

Why can’t Ayton play center on offense and pf on defense in certain matchups? Ayton did a great job on pfs like Giannis. Baynes has shown he can stretch the floor at the 4 on offense.

Any way you cook it, Baynes needs 30 minutes a night when Ayton comes back. Even if someone didn't like Baynes for the look of his face, Kaminsky and Saric just aren't good enough to play big important minutes in games when we'll be fighting for playoff positioning. Like I said, I think we'll win 51 games, that's' what I said at the start of the season, and if we play Saric big minutes, it'll be a downgrade over playing Baynes.