2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion continued

[Revived]

I would be willing to throw all the cap space the Suns have next summer at Malcolm Brogdon next summer on the first day of Free Agency itself. Basically Arizaing him.

Not because I think Brogdon the player is necessarily worth it but because I think the fit with Booker and the rest of the Suns players is worth it. I remember last season I went through all the PGs in the league for all 30 teams and Brogdon was the one that I thought would best fit next to Booker.

Solid choice and I'm down with it if the Bucks will let him go - Bledsoe severely hurt his progress, IMO.

Brogdon's a reasonable distributor, more than capable 3-point shooter and a good defender with size at the 1. Not so sure on his up-tempo game, but he's a solid facilitator with a career 2.6-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio. We'll have to see what the Bucks think about going with Bledsoe moving forward - as Suns fans, we know that Brogdon beats hell out of Bledsoe every time, but Bucks brass aren't Suns fans, so.....

Not sure about Bucks brass but their fans love him there and seem confident that Bucks will match any offer he gets. Many of their fans prefer him over Bledsoe.

[No-Man]

TJ McConnell is Derek Fisher which is exactly what we need

Rubio
Walker
Collison
Beverley
Russell
Rozier
Delon Wright
Tyus Jones
Malcolm Brogdon
TJ McConnell
Spencer Dinwiddie

Take your pick!!

Easily Tyus

If not, probably a short contract for Beverley, Collison or McConnell

Strong strong no-no to Dinwiddie, Russell, Rubio and Brogdon

Obviously Walker is a nice dream but I think it'd be hard, he isn't leaving Charlotte unless he is going to a much better situation, Phoenix feels a bit like a lateral move

[BobbieL]

That would be the only way the Cavs would do it as they need some incentive besides minor $$ saving because I think they plan on having Hill mentor Sexton. A young player with some potential is what the Cavs would demand I think. They would probably pick up the player option for either one as well to give them more time to evaluate the player and see if a change of scenery will do them any good.

I also believe they will try and make another run this season so they will need depth at the PG position. I'm not sure Daniels/Chandler helps their cause in anyway. As over the hill (pun intended) he might, Hill is probably still a more useful player than either Chandler or Daniels.

But if not Daniels then it needs to be Chriss or Bender. Not a fan of Chriss but I'm not sure it's a wise use of either assets for one year of Hill. Rather wait til the trade deadline to see what we can get via buyouts/trades etc.

Won’t it be one year of Chriss or Bender as well though since it’s highly unlikely that the Suns pick up team options for both players?

When do 4th year options need to be picked up and can they be renounced next summer? I have a hard time thinking both will be picked up for year 4 at this time.

So your point is valid that in reality - and I will say this is a long shot because if the Cavs want to compete - they need Hill probably - but the Cavs might want a young player to see if they can build around Sexton. Like I said, Cavs are in that spot that the pick is top 10 protected and they might want to "play the young guys" to get that pick. If they trade Korver for Bayless, I think the tank is on. Love could be next after that.

[jredsaz]

I don't trust this as real news, but it brings up a legitimate possibility of now trading Chriss

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I think this is more competition for Chriss and Bender. Holmes hustles, he is athletic and aggressive. His advanced stats point to a decent bball IQ. But he doesnt have the skills of a Bender or Chriss. He is good enough to push them. In the end, if neither can beat out Holmes for their PT then we should consider moving one or both.

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The skills? What skills?

Sorry, but I think that we sometimes imagine or hope that they have skills but they have never truly showed it in the NBA.

Hopefully that changes this season.

Bender particularly can shoot the basketball. He will be a knock down shooter at some point soon in his career. He also has a decent handle for a big. Those are skills that Holmes doesn't not have.

[WeekapaugGroove]

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Was kind of hoping he'd be back on a two way but this is good for him both financially and developmentaly. I think he's going to be an NBA player at some point in the future.

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[BobbieL]

I think this is more competition for Chriss and Bender. Holmes hustles, he is athletic and aggressive. His advanced stats point to a decent bball IQ. But he doesnt have the skills of a Bender or Chriss. He is good enough to push them. In the end, if neither can beat out Holmes for their PT then we should consider moving one or both.

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The skills? What skills?

Sorry, but I think that we sometimes imagine or hope that they have skills but they have never truly showed it in the NBA.

Hopefully that changes this season.

Bender particularly can shoot the basketball. He will be a knock down shooter at some point soon in his career. He also has a decent handle for a big. Those are skills that Holmes doesn't not have.

With Ayton - I can see Chriss moving more to a back up role as Bender, if he were to improve - would have abilities to play next to Ayton better

[Revived]

I also believe they will try and make another run this season so they will need depth at the PG position. I'm not sure Daniels/Chandler helps their cause in anyway. As over the hill (pun intended) he might, Hill is probably still a more useful player than either Chandler or Daniels.

But if not Daniels then it needs to be Chriss or Bender. Not a fan of Chriss but I'm not sure it's a wise use of either assets for one year of Hill. Rather wait til the trade deadline to see what we can get via buyouts/trades etc.

Won’t it be one year of Chriss or Bender as well though since it’s highly unlikely that the Suns pick up team options for both players?

When do 4th year options need to be picked up and can they be renounced next summer? I have a hard time thinking both will be picked up for year 4 at this time.

So your point is valid that in reality - and I will say this is a long shot because if the Cavs want to compete - they need Hill probably - but the Cavs might want a young player to see if they can build around Sexton. Like I said, Cavs are in that spot that the pick is top 10 protected and they might want to "play the young guys" to get that pick. If they trade Korver for Bayless, I think the tank is on. Love could be next after that.

Their options need to be picked up by September or October. And I may be wrong but I don’t think options can ever be renounced. It’s not the same as renouncing RFA rights.

[bwgood77]

Won’t it be one year of Chriss or Bender as well though since it’s highly unlikely that the Suns pick up team options for both players?

When do 4th year options need to be picked up and can they be renounced next summer? I have a hard time thinking both will be picked up for year 4 at this time.

So your point is valid that in reality - and I will say this is a long shot because if the Cavs want to compete - they need Hill probably - but the Cavs might want a young player to see if they can build around Sexton. Like I said, Cavs are in that spot that the pick is top 10 protected and they might want to "play the young guys" to get that pick. If they trade Korver for Bayless, I think the tank is on. Love could be next after that.

Their options need to be picked up by September or October. And I may be wrong but I don’t think options can ever be renounced. It’s not the same as renouncing RFA rights.

It's October 31st. It's pretty rare that high rookie options are turned down, particularly high picks. The only one that was turned down this past year was Hezonja, and he ended up having some good games and looking like a lot better player down the stretch.

Being that we would still be early in the season, if we planned on going into this year with them, I'd be a little surprised if we didn't pick up their options unless we were already trying to trade one or both for scraps just to get rid of their contracts. I mean, next summer, signing Chriss to a 1 year $4 million deal sounds pretty reasonable. Picking up his option is basically the same. Dragan is more like $5.9.

So many teams have cap space though that I think it is more valuable to hold onto players if you think they have any value as I doubt we area able to sign a max player, so just making a decision to let guys walk that could really improve under Kokoskov's system this year might not be a wise decision. Unless you don't have faith that they will improve under Kokoskov.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/08/decisions-on-201819-rookie-scale-team-options.html

[Revived]

When do 4th year options need to be picked up and can they be renounced next summer? I have a hard time thinking both will be picked up for year 4 at this time.

So your point is valid that in reality - and I will say this is a long shot because if the Cavs want to compete - they need Hill probably - but the Cavs might want a young player to see if they can build around Sexton. Like I said, Cavs are in that spot that the pick is top 10 protected and they might want to "play the young guys" to get that pick. If they trade Korver for Bayless, I think the tank is on. Love could be next after that.

Their options need to be picked up by September or October. And I may be wrong but I don’t think options can ever be renounced. It’s not the same as renouncing RFA rights.

It's October 31st. It's pretty rare that high rookie options are turned down, particularly high picks. The only one that was turned down this past year was Hezonja, and he ended up having some good games and looking like a lot better player down the stretch.

Being that we would still be early in the season, if we planned on going into this year with them, I'd be a little surprised if we didn't pick up their options unless we were already trying to trade one or both for scraps just to get rid of their contracts. I mean, next summer, signing Chriss to a 1 year $4 million deal sounds pretty reasonable. Picking up his option is basically the same. Dragan is more like $5.9.

So many teams have cap space though that I think it is more valuable to hold onto players if you think they have any value as I doubt we area able to sign a max player, so just making a decision to let guys walk that could really improve under Kokoskov's system this year might not be a wise decision. Unless you don't have faith that they will improve under Kokoskov.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/08/decisions-on-201819-rookie-scale-team-options.html

I have faith that Bender can improve under Kokoskov but not Chriss. I’ve watched the sets that Kokoskov runs in summer league and some of the YouTube videos of his EuroBasket plays from last summer as well and I don’t think Chriss will actually be good fit for what Kokoskov wants.

Not only this but I think McD needs to talk with both Bender and Chriss and their agents to make sure if they would be ok with a decrease in playing time. Due to the changes from this off season, the Suns are no longer in a position where they have to gift these guys unearned minutes. And a sudden drop in mins could maybe ruffle some feathers or more. McD can’t afford another disgruntled player during his tenure no matter who it is and no matter the excuses.

[King4Day]

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Was kind of hoping he'd be back on a two way but this is good for him both financially and developmentaly. I think he's going to be an NBA player at some point in the future.

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Any idea if we'll retain his rights if he returns?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Their options need to be picked up by September or October. And I may be wrong but I don’t think options can ever be renounced. It’s not the same as renouncing RFA rights.

It's October 31st. It's pretty rare that high rookie options are turned down, particularly high picks. The only one that was turned down this past year was Hezonja, and he ended up having some good games and looking like a lot better player down the stretch.

Being that we would still be early in the season, if we planned on going into this year with them, I'd be a little surprised if we didn't pick up their options unless we were already trying to trade one or both for scraps just to get rid of their contracts. I mean, next summer, signing Chriss to a 1 year $4 million deal sounds pretty reasonable. Picking up his option is basically the same. Dragan is more like $5.9.

So many teams have cap space though that I think it is more valuable to hold onto players if you think they have any value as I doubt we area able to sign a max player, so just making a decision to let guys walk that could really improve under Kokoskov's system this year might not be a wise decision. Unless you don't have faith that they will improve under Kokoskov.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/08/decisions-on-201819-rookie-scale-team-options.html

I have faith that Bender can improve under Kokoskov but not Chriss. I’ve watched the sets that Kokoskov runs in summer league and some of the YouTube videos of his EuroBasket plays from last summer as well and I don’t think Chriss will actually be good fit for what Kokoskov wants.

Not only this but I think McD needs to talk with both Bender and Chriss and their agents to make sure if they would be ok with a decrease in playing time. Due to the changes from this off season, the Suns are no longer in a position where they have to gift these guys unearned minutes. And a sudden drop in mins could maybe ruffle some feathers or more. McD can’t afford another disgruntled player during his tenure no matter who it is and no matter the excuses.

I struggle to see any scenario where Dragan doesn't get a lot of playing time. Looked like he was getting some real confidence with that shot by the end of SL. 1 for 1 on Dirk fadeaways. On low volume, it seems like his percentages on wing isos/post-ups arevery high. Defensively, he occasionally does something a bit embarrassing, but play-by-play, he does a really great job.

So no, I don't think they're going to need to have a heart-to-heart with Dragan's agents, though I'm sure they've already had several with Quese's representation.

[jcsunsfan]

Their options need to be picked up by September or October. And I may be wrong but I don’t think options can ever be renounced. It’s not the same as renouncing RFA rights.

It's October 31st. It's pretty rare that high rookie options are turned down, particularly high picks. The only one that was turned down this past year was Hezonja, and he ended up having some good games and looking like a lot better player down the stretch.

Being that we would still be early in the season, if we planned on going into this year with them, I'd be a little surprised if we didn't pick up their options unless we were already trying to trade one or both for scraps just to get rid of their contracts. I mean, next summer, signing Chriss to a 1 year $4 million deal sounds pretty reasonable. Picking up his option is basically the same. Dragan is more like $5.9.

So many teams have cap space though that I think it is more valuable to hold onto players if you think they have any value as I doubt we area able to sign a max player, so just making a decision to let guys walk that could really improve under Kokoskov's system this year might not be a wise decision. Unless you don't have faith that they will improve under Kokoskov.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/08/decisions-on-201819-rookie-scale-team-options.html

I have faith that Bender can improve under Kokoskov but not Chriss. I’ve watched the sets that Kokoskov runs in summer league and some of the YouTube videos of his EuroBasket plays from last summer as well and I don’t think Chriss will actually be good fit for what Kokoskov wants.

Not only this but I think McD needs to talk with both Bender and Chriss and their agents to make sure if they would be ok with a decrease in playing time. Due to the changes from this off season, the Suns are no longer in a position where they have to gift these guys unearned minutes. And a sudden drop in mins could maybe ruffle some feathers or more. McD can’t afford another disgruntled player during his tenure no matter who it is and no matter the excuses.

If we are going to trade one of the two, we would wisely do it sooner rather than later. When the minutes go down, the stats go down and the trade value goes down. We are not at a stage where we would be willing to showcase the lesser player just for trade purposes.

The only reason NOT to trade one of them is the fear of trading the wrong one. If the Suns leadership is more invested in playing them both and seeeing who is worth keeping . and they think that getting it right is more valuable than whatever they could get back in a trade, I suppose we could keep them both.

[WeekapaugGroove]

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Was kind of hoping he'd be back on a two way but this is good for him both financially and developmentaly. I think he's going to be an NBA player at some point in the future.

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Any idea if we'll retain his rights if he returns?

They don't have his rights at all. The only time a team retains them is if a draft pick never signs any type of contract with the team and goes directly to Europe.

Now I would think his prior relationship with the team could help if/when he comes back but he's free to sign with anyone (an was this past summer when the suns didn't give him another contract).

[Fo-Real]

The skills? What skills?

Sorry, but I think that we sometimes imagine or hope that they have skills but they have never truly showed it in the NBA.

Hopefully that changes this season.

Bender particularly can shoot the basketball. He will be a knock down shooter at some point soon in his career. He also has a decent handle for a big. Those are skills that Holmes doesn't not have.

With Ayton - I can see Chriss moving more to a back up role as Bender, if he were to improve - would have abilities to play next to Ayton better

Yeah, Bender looked really good and effective playing next to him in summer league, should only be better and more effective against higher NBA talent. (GREEN FONT)

[BobbieL]

It's October 31st. It's pretty rare that high rookie options are turned down, particularly high picks. The only one that was turned down this past year was Hezonja, and he ended up having some good games and looking like a lot better player down the stretch.

Being that we would still be early in the season, if we planned on going into this year with them, I'd be a little surprised if we didn't pick up their options unless we were already trying to trade one or both for scraps just to get rid of their contracts. I mean, next summer, signing Chriss to a 1 year $4 million deal sounds pretty reasonable. Picking up his option is basically the same. Dragan is more like $5.9.

So many teams have cap space though that I think it is more valuable to hold onto players if you think they have any value as I doubt we area able to sign a max player, so just making a decision to let guys walk that could really improve under Kokoskov's system this year might not be a wise decision. Unless you don't have faith that they will improve under Kokoskov.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/08/decisions-on-201819-rookie-scale-team-options.html

I have faith that Bender can improve under Kokoskov but not Chriss. I’ve watched the sets that Kokoskov runs in summer league and some of the YouTube videos of his EuroBasket plays from last summer as well and I don’t think Chriss will actually be good fit for what Kokoskov wants.

Not only this but I think McD needs to talk with both Bender and Chriss and their agents to make sure if they would be ok with a decrease in playing time. Due to the changes from this off season, the Suns are no longer in a position where they have to gift these guys unearned minutes. And a sudden drop in mins could maybe ruffle some feathers or more. McD can’t afford another disgruntled player during his tenure no matter who it is and no matter the excuses.

If we are going to trade one of the two, we would wisely do it sooner rather than later. When the minutes go down, the stats go down and the trade value goes down. We are not at a stage where we would be willing to showcase the lesser player just for trade purposes.

The only reason NOT to trade one of them is the fear of trading the wrong one. If the Suns leadership is more invested in playing them both and seeeing who is worth keeping . and they think that getting it right is more valuable than whatever they could get back in a trade, I suppose we could keep them both.

I think based on the above comments -- how Bender and Chriss are priced at 6 and 4m basically next year - probably wise to pick up the options on both. Just have to hope one of them break out this year - and show improvement. I think it might be Bender --- if I were betting person. He just seems to be a better fit next to Ayton.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Hmm durrant listing Phoenix/Scottsdale on his places he likes list.

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[BobbieL]

Hmm durrant listing Phoenix/Scottsdale on his places he likes list.

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if he gets the trifecta, the three peat - i can see him going to LA or the Garden

heck if Billy Joel can sell out 100 shows - KD35 in the Garden would easily do that

[thamadkant]

If Suns make good strides and look like a potential contender.... Durant will consider them for sure.


Bringing in Suns first ever Championship will be a huge allure..

Hence I think LeBron made a mistake.... If he never brings a ring at Lakers he will be considered a failure overall.... More finals losses than wins and jumps ships from teams to teams... I would say a poor man's Wilt Chamberlain in terms of career legacy.

If I was a star I would consider up and coming teams that has never won a ring on their cities... Be part of history.

[Waylay13]

If Suns make good strides and look like a potential contender.... Durant will consider them for sure.


Bringing in Suns first ever Championship will be a huge allure..

Hence I think LeBron made a mistake.... If he never brings a ring at Lakers he will be considered a failure overall.... More finals losses than wins and jumps ships from teams to teams... I would say a poor man's Wilt Chamberlain in terms of career legacy.

If I was a star I would consider up and coming teams that has never won a ring on their cities... Be part of history.

Do you really think that there is any chance the Suns look like a contender? Realistically I have them pegged out 38 wins with a good showing form Knight and good production from Ayton (15 and 10) but to make the playoffs in the west? No way in heck and any real effort to make the playoffs next year will impact them years down the line. Trying to trade for win now will hurt them in 4 or 5 years when the core is in their prime.

[bwgood77]

Do you really think that there is any chance the Suns look like a contender? Realistically I have them pegged out 38 wins with a good showing form Knight and good production from Ayton (15 and 10) but to make the playoffs in the west? No way in heck and any real effort to make the playoffs next year will impact them years down the line. Trying to trade for win now will hurt them in 4 or 5 years when the core is in their prime.

Even if we wildly exceed my expectations I can't see any reasonable way that we would be considered a contender by next summer. I'll be happy to be wrong though.

I'm not sure if you are saying you expect a good showing from Knight or that IF we get a good showing from Knight you expect 38 wins.

I hope he's better with Kokoskov, but it's hard to expect much.

I don't think anyone would have chosen him to start over Bledsoe when Bledsoe was here, and that was obviously before his injury, and I don't think many would want Bledsoe back as our PG even if he wanted to come back on a reasonable deal.

It will be interesting to see if he can really transform his game with some new coaching. I hope so.