Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread

[Qwigglez]

You gotta be crazy to not accept a deal for Love if one was in place where the Suns wouldn't have to give up Bledsoe/Dragic. I know Love isn't known to be a defender, but his rebounding, and offensive skill set should more than make up for his defensive lack of abilities.

[phrazbit]

I'm out on Z-Bo. I think he is just in the typical slow decline of a heavy big man. He is still effective but I dont see him improving from his current solid but not great production. I also dont think he fits our up tempo roster, he just does not have the wheels.

And when McD said he would be willing to part with assets but only for guys he sees as long term fits on the roster he made it pretty clear that he wont be looking to pick up dudes in their 30s.

[DirtyDez]

I think our best option is to right now or in the off season go after Love in a trade offering the twins and damn near all of our picks.

...and if so, then the Suns can once again get back on that treadmill that has failed to produce a title for 45 years. A treadmill that puts almost all emphasis on the offensive end of the equation.. Love is a poor defense player...he'd cost the Suns a ton financially. Via a trade, the acquisition would not only cost the Suns bucks, they'd have to pay a hefty ransom of talent and picks. Kevin is a great offensive weapon...an all-star (whoopie!), but his true value towards winning a title at this time is more than a little inflated. Just say no to Love if offered. Don't get back on the tired & titleless treadmill. Build this core. Put more focus on defense. Add defensive prowess and B-ball IQ when opportunities come about over the next couple years. Don't repeat the fruitless past strategies once again.

Nitpicking a top-5 player? Really??

Who do you consider a perfect player in this league.............

Any team not willing to let Kevin Love eat their cap space because he's not a great defender gets a laugh from me.

[Christine-In-AZ]

You gotta be crazy to not accept a deal for Love if one was in place where the Suns wouldn't have to give up Bledsoe/Dragic. I know Love isn't known to be a defender, but his rebounding, and offensive skill set should more than make up for his defensive lack of abilities.

His rebounding would be a good add, but as things are going his offense isn't something we're going to need...we're good...going to be better. Love is good, but his ability to get wins is more than a little over valued.
My opinion. I don't think he's worth the price of admission. Just my opinion.

[Christine-In-AZ]

I think our best option is to right now or in the off season go after Love in a trade offering the twins and damn near all of our picks.

...and if so, then the Suns can once again get back on that treadmill that has failed to produce a title for 45 years. A treadmill that puts almost all emphasis on the offensive end of the equation.. Love is a poor defense player...he'd cost the Suns a ton financially. Via a trade, the acquisition would not only cost the Suns bucks, they'd have to pay a hefty ransom of talent and picks. Kevin is a great offensive weapon...an all-star (whoopie!), but his true value towards winning a title at this time is more than a little inflated. Just say no to Love if offered. Don't get back on the tired & titleless treadmill. Build this core. Put more focus on defense. Add defensive prowess and B-ball IQ when opportunities come about over the next couple years. Don't repeat the fruitless past strategies once again.

Nitpicking a top-5 player? Really??

Who do you consider a perfect player in this league.............

Any team not willing to let Kevin Love eat their cap space because he's not a great defender gets a laugh from me.

He's a "top-5" player who can't even get his team into an 8th seeds?...oookay. No, the T-Wolves FO haven't surrounded him with a great cast, but going backwards in years...T-Wolve wins totals- 31, 26, 17, 15. Early but it seems Minny might be headed for a whopping 40-43 wins this year. Maybe?...maybe top 15, but so far his prowess hasn't translated to much at all in the most important column. Player stats (especially offensive, and in the NBA) can be very misleading when it come to winning.

[Christine-In-AZ]

I think our best option is to right now or in the off season go after Love in a trade offering the twins and damn near all of our picks.

...and if so, then the Suns can once again get back on that treadmill that has failed to produce a title for 45 years. A treadmill that puts almost all emphasis on the offensive end of the equation.. Love is a poor defense player...he'd cost the Suns a ton financially. Via a trade, the acquisition would not only cost the Suns bucks, they'd have to pay a hefty ransom of talent and picks. Kevin is a great offensive weapon...an all-star (whoopie!), but his true value towards winning a title at this time is more than a little inflated. Just say no to Love if offered. Don't get back on the tired & titleless treadmill. Build this core. Put more focus on defense. Add defensive prowess and B-ball IQ when opportunities come about over the next couple years. Don't repeat the fruitless past strategies once again.

Nitpicking a top-5 player? Really??

Who do you consider a perfect player in this league.............

Any team not willing to let Kevin Love eat their cap space because he's not a great defender gets a laugh from me.

He's a "top-5" player who who can't even get his team into an 8th seeds?...oookay. No, the T-Wolves FO haven't surrounded him with a great cast, but going backwards in years...T-Wolve wins totals- 31, 26, 17, 15. Early but it seems Minny might be headed for a whopping 40-43 wins this year. Maybe?...maybe top 15, but so far his prowess hasn't translated to much at all in the most important column. Player stats (especially offensive, and in the NBA) can be very misleading when it come to winning.

[phrazbit]

Given the complete trainwreck that has been Minnesota's front office I cannot kill Love for the teams struggles. They whiff on seemingly ever pick, throw out dumb contracts, what few capable players they do bring in cant stay healthy. Outside of LeBron I dont think any one player could have hauled them to success during the Love's tenure.

[GetYourPHX]

I have to say, its nice that the Suns are dealing from a position of power again. The last couple of years the perceived value of our players has been so low, and we've had almost no assets to improve the team.

It's just a complete 180 now that the team is stocked with young, talented players and a boatload of picks in a "deep draft".

The Love trade scenarios are nice, but there's no way that Minnesota lets him go this year. They would have to miss the playoffs and not be able to land a big name in the offseason to give up on the roster that they have. I think summer is the absolute earliest he'll be an option for the Suns.

Same thing with Memphis. Gasol would be a perfect fit here, but why would they move him during the season? They have a great team and a ton of expirings next year. I just don't think they blow it up this early.

I really just think the best move for the Suns is to stand pat. All of the teams assets are actually gaining value at the moment besides Len, and as good as we've looked, we're not going to beat the Heat/Pacers/Spurs/Thunder in a 7 game series without significant improvement.

Just let the season play out and try to cash in this summer, that's what I say. The worst that can happen is we end up with a younger, hungrier team next year.

[lilfishi22]

Love is the perfect fit for our system. He basically gives us Frye's stretch 4 shooting, with 12-14 rebs a night and more. He's not an elite team's first option but he's a very close 2nd.

[lilfishi22]

I have to say, its nice that the Suns are dealing from a position of power again. The last couple of years the perceived value of our players has been so low, and we've had almost no assets to improve the team.

It's just a complete 180 now that the team is stocked with young. talented players and picks.

180 is probably a bit of a stretch. The picks are nice but I don't see teams overpaying for guys outside of Bledsoe and maybe Dragic. The Morri are, in my mind, average talent with ok potential, Goodwin is decent but unproven and Len has barely even made it on the court. PJ would have some value since any good team would recognize and appreciate his off stat-sheet contribution. Green is what he is, an unskilled shooter who plays hard.

I hate being Negative Nancy but the way we have played together with this type of chemistry, it really does inflate the value of our players and it should. But looking at the assets individually, outside of our picks, Bledsoe and Dragic, it's hard to see teams giving up a lot for it.

[GetYourPHX]

180 is probably a bit of a stretch. The picks are nice but I don't see teams overpaying for guys outside of Bledsoe and maybe Dragic. The Morri are, in my mind, average talent with ok potential, Goodwin is decent but unproven and Len has barely even made it on the court. PJ would have some value since any good team would recognize and appreciate his off stat-sheet contribution. Green is what he is, an unskilled shooter who plays hard.

I hate being Negative Nancy but the way we have played together with this type of chemistry, it really does inflate the value of our players and it should. But looking at the assets individually, outside of our picks, Bledsoe and Dragic, it's hard to see teams giving up a lot for it.

The last couple of years I've spent my trade machine time trying to deal away: Childress, Beasley, Brown, Gortat, Aging Nash, Shaq, Turkaglu, Warrick, Scola, Lopez, etc.

Obviously scaling for talent, almost every player on our roster now is more movable than those guys.

[thamadkant]

Suns just need to make a run for Hayward and have Okafor healthy...







How to get Hayward?
- Green + Kravtsov + Pacers pick + Wizards pick + Wolves pick
For
- Marv Williams + Hayward

C: Plumlee / Okafor / Len
PF: Frye / Morris / Morris
SF: Hayward / Tucker / Marv Williams
SG: Dragic / Goodwin / Hayward
PG: Bledsoe / Dragic / Smith

That team with 25-30 games to gel could be a playoff dark horse...until Thunder anyways.


Bledsoe and Dragic get their SF who can play D, play make, shoot and create shots.
Okafor brings a defensive presence against big teams like Spurs, Rockets etc.

Tucker, Hayward, Bledsoe, Goodwin are all pesky and good wing defenders.

Bledsoe, Dragic and Hayward... With the twins and Frye contributing has enough fire power to score against the high scoring teams.

My biggest concern is that suns allow too high of a scoring output from the other teams, tempo and pace plays a factor but it shows that Suns are willing to trade baskets... Will not work against a team with a player who can light it up and score at will down crunch time... Hayward's defense will help this problem!

[Frank Lee]

We would have to give up the farm to get Love.... and we just finally started enjoying the rural life.

I think our best bet to improve is to add to this team via free agency. Word is getting out that this is a good place to play.

Suns just need to make a run for Hayward and have Okafor healthy...

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I dont see the Jazz getting outbid for Haywood, much like I dont see us getting outbid for Bledsoe. They have 20+ mill in expiring. Dont have to resign Kantor(C) till 2015. Favors(PF) has already been extended. Trey Burke(PG)is locked up on a rookie deal. Haywood(SF) is part of their core for the future. They will be adding a goodpick rook to the mix to complete their starting five. I dont think they have pick envy at this moment.

Its nice to have a wishlist, but (UPDATE ALERT).....














there is no Santa Claus

[xpmar9x]

What is the feeling for Lu Deng in PHX? The trade i've been wanting is Deng, Teague, Dunleavy for Okafor & '14 1st (whichever one PHX is willing to send).

[Frank Lee]

What is the feeling for Lu Deng in PHX? The trade i've been wanting is Deng, Teague, Dunleavy for Okafor & '14 1st (whichever one PHX is willing to send).

IMO, I dont think we need Deng this yr. He will be a top 1-2-or 3 FA on the auction table in the off season. Some team could come along and throw him a boatload, and we'd be out a pick.... for what ? If we want him, we can pony up in July w/o losing any assets.

[carey]

Love is the perfect fit for our system. He basically gives us Frye's stretch 4 shooting, with 12-14 rebs a night and more. He's not an elite team's first option but he's a very close 2nd.

This is a great point people forget. He's not a guy you can throw the ball to in crunch time moments and say go get a bucket. He still has value. I love his game. But let's not act like he's going to get the same package Denver got for Carmelo.

[Blackification]

Milsap would have been great for us :/ we are a year too late

[bigfoot]

Love is the perfect fit for our system. He basically gives us Frye's stretch 4 shooting, with 12-14 rebs a night and more. He's not an elite team's first option but he's a very close 2nd.

This is a great point people forget. He's not a guy you can throw the ball to in crunch time moments and say go get a bucket. He still has value. I love his game. But let's not act like he's going to get the same package Denver got for Carmelo.

I don't think we need that crunch time player 1st option player because we have two of them. You put the ball in either Bledsoe's or Dragic's hands and let them drive for layups or kick for open shots. Dragic was murdered by teams last year because by the fourth quarter he was exhausted and didn't have players who could help him. This two point guard system is huge for our offense efficiency (currently like 7th best in the league). The area where Love helps the most is rebounding. We are a bottom third rebounding team (what's new with the Suns) and would cut down on the offense rebounds and improve fast break opportunities with Love in the fold.

[Frank Lee]

Love is the perfect fit for our system. He basically gives us Frye's stretch 4 shooting, with 12-14 rebs a night and more. He's not an elite team's first option but he's a very close 2nd.

This is a great point people forget. He's not a guy you can throw the ball to in crunch time moments and say go get a bucket. He still has value. I love his game. But let's not act like he's going to get the same package Denver got for Carmelo.

Nobody is going to get that type of package. A four for one with picks ? Melo hosed himself and NY by sobbing for a swap, when I believe, he could have walked at the end of the yr.

I agree with the above though.
I'd like Love here, but not via trade*.


*Unless of course it was a McDo special

[Fo-Real]

Both Morris brothers.... Green.... Len.... Min Pick (back)....Washington pick....Laker 2015 for Love.
Healthy Okafor for healthy Granger.

E. Bled/ Dragon/ Granger/ Love/ Plumlee!! still have Ish, Goodwin, Tucker, Christmas, Frye, Kravstov on the bench. Still have our own pick and Indy pick in this draft. If Granger dosnt work he is expiring and 14 mil falls off, if he does work and we click and he enjoys his time here, he resigns for much less to stay.