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2016 Draft Thread Part 4

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Who do you most want at 4?

Bender
40
53%
Brown
1
1%
Chriss
14
18%
Davis
0
No votes
Dunn
7
9%
Ellenson
2
3%
Hield
7
9%
Labissiere
1
1%
Murray
4
5%
Sabonis
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 76

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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#1121 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:20 pm

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JMac1 wrote:Coro just said on 910AM that Dunn approached him to speak. He believes his camp is trying to squeeze the Celts to make a trade. He said he asked him about his workout andhis agent stepped in. He said it was weird for him to approach after all of the shenanigans from them.


Dunn approached Coro? Where?


He said the Suns table, so I guess NY.


Are they already at Barclay's and have team tables set up?
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#1122 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:23 pm

Years90Suns wrote:It seems as the Jazz and the Celtics agreed on this:

Hayward X pick3, Smart, Bradley

There is no confirmation, but the news seem legit.

I believe that makes Bender a sure pick at 3 by the Jazz.

Good Player that he can develop
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Real PF with outside shooting, which they lack

If this is true, the Jazz will have Burcs, Burke, Smart and Bradley.


And George Hill. That news isn't legit. They just traded for George Hill today.
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#1123 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:25 pm

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nevetsov wrote:I think the Dunn interest is a smokescreen for sure.

We know PHI really, really wants him and are trying to force them to trade with BOS to get him. Maybe help out our Buddy Ainge in getting his guy Noel.

Once we know Dunn is going three, we can flip 4 for someone wanting to guarantee a guy we have no interest in (Hield) knowing that one of Chriss or Bender will still be there at say 8 (which I'm sure we could land from Sac for Knight).


Say we take Buddy at #4
Murray goes #5 to Wolves
Chriss goes to #6 at Pelicans?
We can potentially move down to 7 or 8 while still have the chance of drafting one of Chriss,Bender or Brown.

Not bad


Apparently Chriss hasn't even worked out for the Pels. Makes me think they'd prefer a combo forward like Jaylen Brown. Especially when they already have the best PF in the game in Ryan Anderson... I mean, Anthony Davis ;)


He hasn't visited anyone except us. Him and Hield have stayed in LA and had teams come to watch them.
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#1124 » by rsavaj » Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:28 pm

saw an interesting idea on twitter....what about trading #4 for MKG?

only 22, elite defender, improving offensive game, great fit next to Booker

I like him more than I like Chriss/Dunn/Murray/Brown/Hield

I like Bender more but I still think Ainge will snatch him up
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#1125 » by rsavaj » Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:29 pm

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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#1126 » by rsavaj » Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:33 pm

I haven't been listening to gambo but apparently he said MKG is available for a draft pick?
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#1127 » by dremill24 » Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:38 pm

rsavaj wrote:saw an interesting idea on twitter....what about trading #4 for MKG?

only 22, elite defender, improving offensive game, great fit next to Booker

I like him more than I like Chriss/Dunn/Murray/Brown/Hield

I like Bender more but I still think Ainge will snatch him up


Maybe for 13..but not 4 for me. Its kinda hard to see him ever becoming good enough on offense to play big minutes on a good team.
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#1128 » by JMac1 » Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:51 pm

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Dunn approached Coro? Where?


He said the Suns table, so I guess NY.


Are they already at Barclay's and have team tables set up?



Don't know.
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#1129 » by JMac1 » Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:54 pm

Gambo was going on and on about some team not named the Suns was very high on Chriss and stated he was a lock to succeed. Obviously he isn't and Burns noted thath, but Burns said Ford sold him on Chriss.

Again, Amare lite was his comparison and not a poor man's Amare either.
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#1130 » by Cactus Jack » Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:55 pm

With the Utah/Atlanta pick swap, DX has Sabonis going to ATL @12. Luwawu to Suns.
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#1131 » by JMac1 » Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:55 pm

rsavaj wrote:I haven't been listening to gambo but apparently he said MKG is available for a draft pick?



Yup, a couple of hours ago. Also, Oladipo and others.
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#1132 » by JMac1 » Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:59 pm

rsavaj wrote:saw an interesting idea on twitter....what about trading #4 for MKG?

only 22, elite defender, improving offensive game, great fit next to Booker

I like him more than I like Chriss/Dunn/Murray/Brown/Hield

I like Bender more but I still think Ainge will snatch him up


No Murray or Dunn because they are 22 and yes to MKG who is 22, but has been in the league for 3 years being coached up NBA style? No thanks.
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#1133 » by darealjuice » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:00 am

I'm watching the ESPN Pre-Draft Show because I'm bored, and Jalen Rose said he thinks that Marquese Chriss will be better than Brandon Ingram lol
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#1134 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:02 am

JMac1 wrote:Gambo was going on and on about some team not named the Suns was very high on Chriss and stated he was a lock to succeed. Obviously he isn't and Burns noted thath, but Burns said Ford sold him on Chriss.

Again, Amare lite was his comparison and not a poor man's Amare either.


Saying he is a lock to succeed is pretty ridiculous. No one is a lock to succeed and he'd be far down the list of people that might be close to being locks to succeed. Actually he wouldn't even make such a list.

I really wish I knew if we liked Bender. I just wonder what we will do if Boston takes Chriss.

That team is probably someone who wants Bender. That's the only reason another team would be telling Gambo or anyone Suns affiliated that Chriss is a lock to succeed. Unless the FO is preparing the public by having Gambo say such things and Coro write articles about Chriss the day before the draft.
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#1135 » by rsavaj » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:02 am

JMac1 wrote:
rsavaj wrote:saw an interesting idea on twitter....what about trading #4 for MKG?

only 22, elite defender, improving offensive game, great fit next to Booker

I like him more than I like Chriss/Dunn/Murray/Brown/Hield

I like Bender more but I still think Ainge will snatch him up[/quote

No Murray or Dunn because they are 22 and yes to MKG who is 22, but has been in the league for 3 years being coached up NBA style? No thanks.



are you saying that MKG's age/experience is a weakness? I don't get it...that's exactly why I want him.

he's had three more years of seasoning and NBA experience; by the time Dunn is at the end of his rookie deal, he'll be almost 26.

Getting an NBA vet at 22 is much different than a rookie who will be 23 before the end of his first year
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#1136 » by rsavaj » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:03 am

darealjuice wrote:I'm watching the ESPN Pre-Draft Show because I'm bored, and Jalen Rose said he thinks that Marquese Chriss will be better than Brandon Ingram lol


jalen rose says a lot of things
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#1137 » by darealjuice » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:04 am

rsavaj wrote:
darealjuice wrote:I'm watching the ESPN Pre-Draft Show because I'm bored, and Jalen Rose said he thinks that Marquese Chriss will be better than Brandon Ingram lol


jalen rose says a lot of things


Ya he does, I just thought it was funny
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#1138 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:05 am

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SunsFanSSOL wrote:I'll be fine with Bender or Chriss. I prefer Chriss though just because he has a higher ceiling, and it would be really nice to have an all-star caliber player again if he can reach his potential, whereas Bender will just be an nice complementary piece if he reaches his ceiling.

As for all the criticism regarding Chriss's lack of experience, knowledge etc. it'd be interesting to see what this board's reaction was to Alex Len at the time of the draft, considering he picked up basketball late like Chriss.

I think Bender has the higher ceiling. He's got the height and length, coupled with his IQ and good fundamentals. However I think Chriss has more chance of reaching his high ceiling. His lack of experience and low basketball IQ is what will hold him back from reaching great heights in my view.

I also wasn't a fan of the Len signing but the guy I wanted has been even more of a disappointment (McLemore) so I guess McD did better than me in that draft


What makes you think Chriss has a better chance of reaching the high ceiling? I think with the lower bbiq and more of a questionable work ethic I wouldn't say that.

Chriss's lower bbiq and apparent questionable work ethic (first time I've read about that) should only lower his ceiling. I think there's more question marks around Bender because not only does he have to adjust to a completely different, star-focused NBA game, he'll also have to mature into his 7 foot frame and keep up with the 82 game schedule. Chriss, OTOH, should be better adjusted and played a more similar game in college coming into the NBA. Just in comparison, I just think there Bender will have a steeper learning curve.

Just to be clear, I'm completely OK with a Bender pick now. I just think he has some intangibles which are harder to acquire or develop (length and IQ) than athletic gifts (Chriss's athleticism).
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#1139 » by JMac1 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:06 am

bwgood77 wrote:
JMac1 wrote:Gambo was going on and on about some team not named the Suns was very high on Chriss and stated he was a lock to succeed. Obviously he isn't and Burns noted thath, but Burns said Ford sold him on Chriss.

Again, Amare lite was his comparison and not a poor man's Amare either.


Saying he is a lock to succeed is pretty ridiculous. No one is a lock to succeed and he'd be far down the list of people that might be close to being locks to succeed. Actually he wouldn't even make such a list.

I really wish I knew if we liked Bender. I just wonder what we will do if Boston takes Chriss.

That team is probably someone who wants Bender. That's the only reason another team would be telling Gambo or anyone Suns affiliated that Chriss is a lock to succeed. Unless the FO is preparing the public by having Gambo say such things and Coro write articles about Chriss the day before the draft.


True, but Gambo isn't drafting.
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#1140 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:08 am

I love MKG's d but man his shot is broken and I'm not sure it's fixable. I'd rather take a gamble on a guy at 13 than trade it for him. Now if the deal was something like Tucker and 28 then sure bring him in and see if he can be molded into at least a passable offensive player.
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