The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft)

Fo-Real · Post #1121 » by **Fo-Real** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:58 pm

gaspar wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/DWolfsonKSTP/status/748595690780057600[/tweet]

Bye Felicia!

JMac1 · Post #1122 » by **JMac1** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:03 pm

oddity wrote:The more I look at the salaries the likes of Barnes and Batum are about to get, the more I think holding on to Bledsoe/Knight would be the best move. While it's nice to salivate about what a trade could net us now, waiting out could get us even more. If guys like Harrison Barnes are getting upwards of 20 mil a year, Knight and Bledsoe's 14 mil will start to look like a bargain over time. Everyone seems down on the value of these guys, but in reality their stocks will only rise as comparable players around them begin to dwarf the salaries they're getting.

It's so simple. I can't believe how many posters want to sign FA's for the sake of it. :noway:

Our team is set. Starters, rotation guys, young guys, and vets.

oddity · Post #1123 » by **oddity** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:03 pm

NavLDO wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:
AR was not one of them!

Its always funny how people choose to remember the failures and not the ones i liked that worked out.

Also funny that TWiLL and Stephenson i only mentioned AFTER their stock was at its lowest, so its not like i was all about it with the pre-hype, just thought we should give them a chance.

Those are just the ones I could remember. I wasn't trying to be a dick. I never thought that they were bad options at the time you were championing them.

Who are the ones that worked out?

OOOOOoooohhhhh, yes you were, Mr. "Wax-On, Wax-Off" Green Font-turned-Lavender-Font man...you just best be knowin' I've had my eye on you, lately; you just keep on r'memberin' that...that I'll be there watchin' you....keepin' my One-EYE' on you...you might see my 'one-eye' peekin' on your shoulder (that's how we do things in the Nav...layin' our 'one-eye' on your shoulder when you least expect it (sorry if you don't get my meaning there, but just remember, I'm the one that made your "dick" font, "huge", above....mmmm-hmmmm!

wut.

BobbieL · Post #1124 » by **BobbieL** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:07 pm

oddity wrote:The more I look at the salaries the likes of Barnes and Batum are about to get, the more I think holding on to Bledsoe/Knight would be the best move. While it's nice to salivate about what a trade could net us now, waiting out could get us even more. If guys like Harrison Barnes are getting upwards of 20 mil a year, Knight and Bledsoe's 14 mil will start to look like a bargain over time. Everyone seems down on the value of these guys, but in reality their stocks will only rise as comparable players around them begin to dwarf the salaries they're getting.

If Brandon Knight is on board as the third guy, Vinnie Johnson, Michael Cooper sixth man, keep him

If he is Markieff Morris (which I do not think he would be) - trade him

oddity · Post #1125 » by **oddity** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:08 pm

JMac1 wrote:
oddity wrote:The more I look at the salaries the likes of Barnes and Batum are about to get, the more I think holding on to Bledsoe/Knight would be the best move. While it's nice to salivate about what a trade could net us now, waiting out could get us even more. If guys like Harrison Barnes are getting upwards of 20 mil a year, Knight and Bledsoe's 14 mil will start to look like a bargain over time. Everyone seems down on the value of these guys, but in reality their stocks will only rise as comparable players around them begin to dwarf the salaries they're getting.

It's so simple. I can't believe how many posters want to sign FA's for the sake of it.

Are team is set. Starters, rotation guys, young guys, and vets.

The best move for our salary situation is to eat a bad contract in a salary-dump move in order to secure a mid to high 1st rounder in next year's draft. Signing a bigger free agent like Barnes or Batum will likely not be enough for this team to compete at an elite level, so why bother wasting what could be an opportunity to bolster our treasure trove of young assets?

letsgosuns · Post #1126 » by **letsgosuns** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:15 pm

http://arizonasports.com/story/719305/phoenix-suns-look-to-be-aggressive-in-free-agency-target-veteran-pf/

Serious question. When did Jared Dudley become a veteran "power forward." I remember him playing small forward and shooting guard for the Suns. Amare Stoudemire was the Suns power forward and Lou Amundson was the back-up. Lopez, Collins, and Frye were the other big men in 2010. Even after that, Dudley never played power forward for the Suns. So again, how can anyone think Dudley is suddenly a power forward.

oddity · Post #1127 » by **oddity** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:16 pm

BobbieL wrote:
oddity wrote:The more I look at the salaries the likes of Barnes and Batum are about to get, the more I think holding on to Bledsoe/Knight would be the best move. While it's nice to salivate about what a trade could net us now, waiting out could get us even more. If guys like Harrison Barnes are getting upwards of 20 mil a year, Knight and Bledsoe's 14 mil will start to look like a bargain over time. Everyone seems down on the value of these guys, but in reality their stocks will only rise as comparable players around them begin to dwarf the salaries they're getting.

If Brandon Knight is on board as the third guy, Vinnie Johnson, Michael Cooper sixth man, keep him

If he is Markieff Morris (which I do not think he would be) - trade him

Although this board loves character assassination more than anything, I think Brandon Knight is smart and put-together. I imagine he would live with a Crawford-esque role on the bench

BobbieL · Post #1128 » by **BobbieL** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:19 pm

oddity wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
oddity wrote:The more I look at the salaries the likes of Barnes and Batum are about to get, the more I think holding on to Bledsoe/Knight would be the best move. While it's nice to salivate about what a trade could net us now, waiting out could get us even more. If guys like Harrison Barnes are getting upwards of 20 mil a year, Knight and Bledsoe's 14 mil will start to look like a bargain over time. Everyone seems down on the value of these guys, but in reality their stocks will only rise as comparable players around them begin to dwarf the salaries they're getting.

It's so simple. I can't believe how many posters want to sign FA's for the sake of it.

Are team is set. Starters, rotation guys, young guys, and vets.

The best move for our salary situation is to eat a bad contract in a salary-dump move in order to secure a mid to high 1st rounder in next year's draft. Signing a bigger free agent like Barnes or Batum will likely not be enough for this team to compete at an elite level, so why bother wasting what could be an opportunity to bolster our treasure trove of young assets?

I think most fans - in this thred - are against Batum and Barnes. I think fans are realizing, this needs to be a growth year. Hopefully Sarver allows Ryan McD that chance to not do something stupid

I am still not sold on Teletovic for two year. Definetly not three like Gambo was talking

NTB · Post #1129 » by **NTB** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:19 pm

letsgosuns wrote:http://arizonasports.com/story/719305/phoenix-suns-look-to-be-aggressive-in-free-agency-target-veteran-pf/

Serious question. When did Jared Dudley become a veteran "power forward." I remember him playing small forward and shooting guard for the Suns. Amare Stoudemire was the Suns power forward and Lou Amundson was the back-up. Lopez, Collins, and Frye were the other big men in 2010. Even after that, Dudley never played power forward for the Suns. So again, how can anyone think Dudley is suddenly a power forward.

He got slower, maybe fatter.

8on · Post #1130 » by **8on** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:23 pm

....I want to put this thought out there.
We don't get to decide whether Brandon Knight starts or sits.
When asked on Doug and Wolf whether Brandon should be OK with a bench role, McD said "I don't think Suns fans have seen the real Brandon Knight."
Unless I hear otherwise, Knight will start on opening night.
You guys just assume that the organization will ask him to sit, but as far as I know that's not even happening. So there's no point agonizing over it, or thinking about it.

letsgosuns · Post #1131 » by **letsgosuns** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:26 pm

NTB wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:http://arizonasports.com/story/719305/phoenix-suns-look-to-be-aggressive-in-free-agency-target-veteran-pf/

Serious question. When did Jared Dudley become a veteran "power forward." I remember him playing small forward and shooting guard for the Suns. Amare Stoudemire was the Suns power forward and Lou Amundson was the back-up. Lopez, Collins, and Frye were the other big men in 2010. Even after that, Dudley never played power forward for the Suns. So again, how can anyone think Dudley is suddenly a power forward.

He got slower, maybe fatter.

That is a pretty funny concept actually. He goes up a weight class which constitutes him becoming a power forward. It does not make sense to me that he is power forward because how is he supposed to guard guys like Griffin, Aldridge, or any of the other top power forwards in the league.

JMac1 · Post #1132 » by **JMac1** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:28 pm

dantley4prez wrote:....I want to put this thought out there.
We don't get to decide whether Brandon Knight starts or sits.
When asked on Doug and Wolf whether Brandon should be OK with a bench role, McD said "I don't think Suns fans have seen the real Brandon Knight."
Unless I hear otherwise, Knight will start on opening night.
You guys just assume that the organization will ask him to sit, but as far as I know that's not even happening. So there's no point agonizing over it, or thinking about it.

And guess who will be starting at the 3 to appease Knight and chemistry then sliding to the 2 at the first substitution? You heard it here first. Yea Book won't be playing the full-time three, but he will be starting there.

8on · Post #1133 » by **8on** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:30 pm

And I'm going to say this because it's my role: knight is currently better than Booker.

When Booker began to start he shot.....32.8% from 3? That's bad, and not in a Shaft/Miles Davis kind of way. Low quality.

I'm pretty sure Knight shot better from 3, although I'm on my phone now. He's a better passer, more athletic, and I've seen good defensive moments from him.

Knight should start, whether you want to hear it or not. So should Tyson, and we shouldn't blow anything up. I say it again: we weren't healthy. That's it.

BobbieL · Post #1134 » by **BobbieL** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:32 pm

letsgosuns wrote:
NTB wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:http://arizonasports.com/story/719305/phoenix-suns-look-to-be-aggressive-in-free-agency-target-veteran-pf/

Serious question. When did Jared Dudley become a veteran "power forward." I remember him playing small forward and shooting guard for the Suns. Amare Stoudemire was the Suns power forward and Lou Amundson was the back-up. Lopez, Collins, and Frye were the other big men in 2010. Even after that, Dudley never played power forward for the Suns. So again, how can anyone think Dudley is suddenly a power forward.

He got slower, maybe fatter.

That is a pretty funny concept actually. He goes up a weight class which constitutes him becoming a power forward. It does not make sense to me that he is power forward because how is he supposed to guard guys like Griffin, Aldridge, or any of the other top power forwards in the league.

The article mentions Dudley. Bass and West. I would take any of those three over Teletovic.

letsgosuns · Post #1135 » by **letsgosuns** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:32 pm

If the Suns want a veteran power forward to start and not complain about playing time, just sign Amare. He legitimately will play any amount of time and can still score. I also doubt that he will be looking for a long term contract.

8on · Post #1136 » by **8on** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:34 pm

JMac1 wrote:
dantley4prez wrote:....I want to put this thought out there.
We don't get to decide whether Brandon Knight starts or sits.
When asked on Doug and Wolf whether Brandon should be OK with a bench role, McD said "I don't think Suns fans have seen the real Brandon Knight."
Unless I hear otherwise, Knight will start on opening night.
You guys just assume that the organization will ask him to sit, but as far as I know that's not even happening. So there's no point agonizing over it, or thinking about it.

And guess who will be starting at the 3 to appease Knight and chemistry then sliding to the 2 at the first substitution? You heard it here first. Yea Book won't be playing the full-time three, but he will be starting there.

I doubt that. We were worse off with TJ starting over PJ. Booker shot worse than TJ, so we should start him instead of PJ?

Don't know if PJ will be here or DeMarre Carroll, which is my bet right now, but one of those guys will start. I see Book's potential. Right now that's all it is.

letsgosuns · Post #1137 » by **letsgosuns** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:37 pm

I expect the Suns to sign a player or players completely unexpected that no one has talked about. That is how McDonough works. He has done it every season since he was hired.

carey · Post #1138 » by **carey** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:43 pm

dantley4prez wrote:What would it cost to bring Alex back next summer?

What is he worth?
Probably not what we'll have to give him.

How are we supposed to know this right now? I highly doubt he gets an extension before the deadline. Ryan will play it out in RFA like he's always done and attempt to let the market set his value (only I still think he bid against himself with Bledsoe.) We need to see what he does this season. If he doesn't make the leap in year 4 then I'm not even sure we re-sign him.

sunsbum · Post #1139 » by **sunsbum** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:45 pm

Anyone that thinks lens days in phoenix "are numbered" has no idea what they are talking about. Hate to step on any toes with that stateement buuut its true.

carey · Post #1140 » by **carey** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:48 pm

oddity wrote: The best move for our salary situation is to eat a bad contract in a salary-dump move in order to secure a mid to high 1st rounder in next year's draft. Signing a bigger free agent like Barnes or Batum will likely not be enough for this team to compete at an elite level, so why bother wasting what could be an opportunity to bolster our treasure trove of young assets?

You realize that there are very few teams that need to dump players so they can have cap space right now, right? Lets say for the sake of argument that there are 3 teams looking to dump a player. Literally every other team has cap space. You don't think they are lining up to try and get an asset for the privilege? That diminishes the value of the compensation considerably. I don't think we'll see a single move where a high priced veteran is dumped with a pick UNLESS it is to sign Kevin Durant which leaves only Miami and Golden State. We have 2 of Miami's future picks already and Golden State would have their pick of teams trying to take Bogut.

Which free agent(s) would you most like to go for? One or top two choices