Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion 3: #TheTimeline

[bwgood77]

My head really hurts reading some of these posts.

Knight has negative value. People must stop putting him in any trade idea that doesn't include us giving up a valuable asset (Miami's pick next year isn't going to get it done)

We should NOT be trying to trade for Love anymore (or ever).
Getting Irving, while it'd be fun, would lead to some horrendous defense.

We need to use 17/18 to:

1. Develop our youth
2. Get another year off knights contract and perhaps build his value a bit
3. Scour the market for trades that favor us


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Bravo, if people are paying attention to what it is taking to dump lesser contracts, I don't even think the Miami pick is enough to dump Knight. If Gambo is right that he won't play any more I'm not sure what the solution might be. I don't know if Sarver wants a buy out unless he finds a decent contract elsewhere and just takes less money than the difference, but that still impacts Sarver's pocket book if we use the cap space saved on other players. I'm not a fan of stretching him.

The cost isn't going to be a pick. It's going to be swapping bad contracts.

Crabbe, Kanter, Turner, Bazemore, etc.

Portland is significantly over the tax so they may actually be willing to send something of value along with salary in exchange for Knight. But it won't be anything good.

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Since those are all much better players, they would have to be far worse contracts, or we'd have to throw in a sweetener. I don't think Portland cares about the tax. Their owner is worth over $21 billion.

With the revenue these guys make just from the NBA (remember, their split is larger than what they players are getting), they probably still come out ahead anyway.

The Asik contract makes the most sense. Portland has plenty of guards, and Presti wouldn't want Knight. He is owed less overall and could opt out over this year.

[bigfoot]

:o Bender is 240? Nice!

Bender wasn't that far off last year at 225. Also, Chandler plays center at 240 as well. Chriss was 233 last year and has already bulked up a lot. It really makes a lot of sense to only sign either Williams or Len and see what we have with our other two big guys putting in some time at the center spot. Stretch 4 and stretch 5 with Bender and Chriss on the court will really open up the paint for Bledsoe/Booker/Warren.

[bwgood77]

The hard core fans would know it's a reasonable trade considering the circumstances. The casual fans wouldn't know who or how good Asik was, and the league would know it's not a terrible deal either. McD's ego could play a role, but Knight is a sunk cost. The sooner he is gone, the sooner people stop focusing on the trade that brought him here.

Hoopshype has that as a player option on Asik's 3rd year. Also, I've watched him plenty over the last couple of years. You don't want him on a modern day NBA court. You'd be better off buying him out and using that roster spot to take a shot on someone that could develop.

We talked about this before. I trust spotrac more and it says $3 million guaranteed in that player option year. He makes less per year anyway, so money is saved. I know he's worthless as a player, but so it Knight. The trade couldn't likely be made straight up though I don't think because the Pelicans will be over the cap with the Holiday signing so another player would have to go. Barbosa would have made sense.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Time to focus on building a team rather than collecting assets. McDo has followed the 'Ainge Model' and its been a bumpy road. Look at Boston, with their treasure chest.... their off season would have been a farce had they not had a coach who swayed Hayward their way. But, coaches are reasons players go here and there, just as important as winning franchises, cities, and other players. The money has become generic for the big namers....

Exactly. So taking on another two 1st Rd picks next season when we have Jackson, Bender, Chriss, Warren, and Booker; not to mention, on a lesser scale, Ulis, Williams (maybe), Reed, and DJ Jr. (and who knows...maybe even Peters)

At this point, including Len as a S&T option, we have plenty of 'assets' to go after a game changing talent to pair with Booker and Bledsoe, and to me, one of those '18 picks should be at the forefront of that deal.

FAs are not knocking down our door to come here; we have to force a player or two to come here via a trade...THIS off-season, so we improve, and all of a sudden our new star, Booker, along with a darn good PG in Bledsoe, plus what ever 'game changer' comes in, preferably a Center/PF-type?? Then next off-season, we add a piece or two, to finish the build, because THEN...a FA will want to come to PHX.

I'd be all for grabbing another good big but I have a hard time finding a "game changer" type who is available for trade. Especially one who even somewhat fits this teams age group (under 30 would do).

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[Kjdills13]

Alright nice and easy trade right here

Cavs - Bledsoe, chandler, duds

Suns- frye, shumpert, Irving

Cavs- down grade at PG, but get an upgrade at stretch 4 with Dude an energy guy who can hit the 3, and then have a great backup center in chandler, and could play him and Thompson st the same time if needed. IT ALSO GIVES THE CAVS A FRIEND IF LEBRON Bledsoe.

Suns- take back a bad contract in shunpert, an expiring in free, and then get the best player in the deal kyrie who fits our timeline.

[Frank Lee]

Time to focus on building a team rather than collecting assets. McDo has followed the 'Ainge Model' and its been a bumpy road. Look at Boston, with their treasure chest.... their off season would have been a farce had they not had a coach who swayed Hayward their way. But, coaches are reasons players go here and there, just as important as winning franchises, cities, and other players. The money has become generic for the big namers....

Exactly. So taking on another two 1st Rd picks next season when we have Jackson, Bender, Chriss, Warren, and Booker; not to mention, on a lesser scale, Ulis, Williams (maybe), Reed, and DJ Jr. (and who knows...maybe even Peters)

At this point, including Len as a S&T option, we have plenty of 'assets' to go after a game changing talent to pair with Booker and Bledsoe, and to me, one of those '18 picks should be at the forefront of that deal.

FAs are not knocking down our door to come here; we have to force a player or two to come here via a trade...THIS off-season, so we improve, and all of a sudden our new star, Booker, along with a darn good PG in Bledsoe, plus what ever 'game changer' comes in, preferably a Center/PF-type?? Then next off-season, we add a piece or two, to finish the build, because THEN...a FA will want to come to PHX.

I'd be all for grabbing another good big but I have a hard time finding a "game changer" type who is available for trade. Especially one who even somewhat fits this teams age group (under 30 would do).

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Doubt you get that Big with a Knight deal... and the pickings are slim in FAgency.... Len has the tools. A three yr deal with options wont suck. Same for Williams. Every team needs a back up C... we just happen to have had 2 or 3. Besides, as much as I had doubted it... I envision Bender getting time at C. He doesn't have to start, but could thrive on the second unit....which is where our strength lies IMO
I do think he'd pair up with Williams better though.

touche ChrisAZ..... I am shamed.

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those were such good teams....

throw this one in too....as much love as Booker is getting here... Walter Davis would be
y'all's wet dream. such a fluid gait and pure J... inside/outside/mid range.... oh brother

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1:30 mark sums up that era. biased may be... but from 76-81/82 were the best teams the valley had seen. Sorry your '93-ers and SOSers....So close

[MathiasPW]

Alright nice and easy trade right here

Cavs - Bledsoe, chandler, duds

Suns- frye, shumpert, Irving

Cavs- down grade at PG, but get an upgrade at stretch 4 with Dude an energy guy who can hit the 3, and then have a great backup center in chandler, and could play him and Thompson st the same time if needed. IT ALSO GIVES THE CAVS A FRIEND IF LEBRON Bledsoe.

Suns- take back a bad contract in shunpert, an expiring in free, and then get the best player in the deal kyrie who fits our timeline.

[Frank Lee]

Here... Ill toss one to the wolves

Phoenix out
Bledsoe/Dudley

Cleveland out
Irving/Love

NY out Melo

NY in
Love

Cleveland in
Bledsoe/Dudley/Melo

Phoenix in
Irving

[WeekapaugGroove]

The Suns could end up in an interesting spot with Williams and Len. Say Gambo is right and the suns offered Williams 4yrs 20M and he takes it then no one makes an offer to Len and he's set to come back on the QO. Value standpoint that's not a bad situation but realistically there isn't room for all of Chandler, Len, and Williams in the rotation. My guess is the first option would be try to move Chandler but I'm not certain there will be teams lined up to take him. I guess the other option is to pull the QO from Len if Williams signs. Curious to see how they approach this.

[batsmasher]

The Suns could end up in an interesting spot with Williams and Len. Say Gambo is right and the suns offered Williams 4yrs 20M and he takes it then no one makes an offer to Len and he's set to come back on the QO. Value standpoint that's not a bad situation but realistically there isn't room for all of Chandler, Len, and Williams in the rotation. My guess is the first option would be try to move Chandler but I'm not certain there will be teams lined up to take him. I guess the other option is to pull the QO from Len if Williams signs. Curious to see how they approach this.

It's a weird one. I'd prefer if we pulled the QO and just rolled with Sauce as our backup big.

My biggest issue with Len is he hasn't even really shown flashes of being a 2 way player in the last couple of years. His sophomore year was the most promising IMo and since then we haven't seen much.

I'd much rather give the money to Olynyk on a 2+1 deal. Officially ditch the Len odyssey and get some room for our kids to move in by opening up the floor with spacing at the 5. Sometimes you have to cut your losses to benefit the development of the rest of the team. Chriss desperately needs room to work with in order to improve. Book could do with a legit PnP threat if he wants to improve his high screen play.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I have 0 interest in olynyk. With bender and chriss in the rotation I want no part of another big whos not a good rebounder. Plus with other teams interested in kelly i certainly don't want to get in a bidding war for him.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Random observation but I'm kind of surprised we haven't heard anything about Noel. I don't think I've read his name once on twitter this FA period. Now I assume teams are scared away by the Mavs matching but you would at least think he would get some visits. While I like his skill set fit for the Suns I'm not sure I'd be all the comfortable giving him $20+ Mil per season. Maybe some teams share my concern on this too?

[Zelaznyrules]

Random observation but I'm kind of surprised we haven't heard anything about Noel. I don't think I've read his name once on twitter this FA period. Now I assume teams are scared away by the Mavs matching but you would at least think he would get some visits. While I like his skill set fit for the Suns I'm not sure I'd be all the comfortable giving him $20+ Mil per season. Maybe some teams share my concern on this too?

I remember reading in the last couple of days that someone (Hawks?) was now interested in him.

[Frank Lee]

likely right about Noel being pricey. Len could be a bargain... yet is there that much difference?

Dallas had been remarkably restrained.

[matt131]

Random observation but I'm kind of surprised we haven't heard anything about Noel. I don't think I've read his name once on twitter this FA period. Now I assume teams are scared away by the Mavs matching but you would at least think he would get some visits. While I like his skill set fit for the Suns I'm not sure I'd be all the comfortable giving him $20+ Mil per season. Maybe some teams share my concern on this too?

I remember reading something right before FA started about how he is the Mavs top priority, but you're right: there hasn't been any news. A quick Google search shows a headline for the Hawks having interest, but that is it.

[batsmasher]

I have 0 interest in olynyk. With bender and chriss in the rotation I want no part of another big whos not a good rebounder. Plus with other teams interested in kelly i certainly don't want to get in a bidding war for him.

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Rebounding is only mission critical if we want to win games. I see the fear with an Olynyk/Chriss combo but in the short term I think it'd do more good than harm to have a good offensive 5. Particularly given I don't anticipate JJ creating much space with the threat of his jumper (which teams will begin to disrespect quickly)

[bwgood77]

likely right about Noel being pricey. Len could be a bargain... yet is there that much difference?

Dallas had been remarkably restrained.

Yeah, they were expected to have to pay him like 4 years, $100 million.

[Sreister]

The Suns could end up in an interesting spot with Williams and Len. Say Gambo is right and the suns offered Williams 4yrs 20M and he takes it then no one makes an offer to Len and he's set to come back on the QO. Value standpoint that's not a bad situation but realistically there isn't room for all of Chandler, Len, and Williams in the rotation. My guess is the first option would be try to move Chandler but I'm not certain there will be teams lined up to take him. I guess the other option is to pull the QO from Len if Williams signs. Curious to see how they approach this.

I think we are undervaluing Len. Bigs take a while to develop and he's young, agile, and developing a mid game. Perfect for a hybrid "New NBA Center" and "Old NBA Center". I hope we get him on a bargain deal for 4 years and trade away Chandler. I really don't want letting Len go bite us in the backside if we let him go to develop into his prime under someone else. We invested in him, I think he's worth trying to keep around.

[batsmasher]

likely right about Noel being pricey. Len could be a bargain... yet is there that much difference?

Dallas had been remarkably restrained.

If he comes close to fulfilling his potential Nerlens will be a yearly DPOY threat. Elite knack for reading play and getting steals. Elite quickness (at least first step) and potential to switch onto guards. Add in the rim protection and he's pretty much the full package defensively. I'd be worried about packing too much more weight on him but he certainly needs a bit to bang with the stronger 5s.

[bwgood77]

I have 0 interest in olynyk. With bender and chriss in the rotation I want no part of another big whos not a good rebounder. Plus with other teams interested in kelly i certainly don't want to get in a bidding war for him.

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Yeah he's a terrible rebounder with no rim protection. And Indy has apparently cleared out $15 million a year for him.