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Almost off-season discussion! Trades/Free Agency Ep. 9

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Post#1121 » by BobbieL » Sat Jun 9, 2018 7:57 pm

starbosa10 wrote:zero chance Lebron comes here and I really don't want to take back any bad long term deal to faciliate a move ( aka not taking Anderson)


No way I would do Anderson - contract has two years left. Horrible.

But there might be a way to leverage Houston trying to get LeBron to get Tucker or Gordon for free - as this tweet mentions nine teams. That's my goal for the Suns - with cap space, take them post 7/1 - actually can take both or close to it if they make the right moves. Even one of those two would be ideal to me.

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After reading about LeBron - I think the only way he gets to Houston is the same way Paul got to the Rockets - he opts in and a trade is made pre 7/1. But that will involve somebody taking Anderson and Houston just doesn't have assets to do that.
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Post#1122 » by DirtyDez » Sat Jun 9, 2018 8:01 pm

Lebron and PG to the Lakers instantly make them a top-5 team in the league and that’s not counting possible trades. Same with Philly.
fromthetop321 wrote:I got Lebron number 1, he is also leading defensive player of the year. Curry's game still reminds me of Jeremy Lin to much.
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Post#1123 » by thamadkant » Sat Jun 9, 2018 8:09 pm

BoomShakaLuka wrote:Tyson Chandler, Jared Dudley to the Rockets for: Ryan Anderson, Nene.

Suns get a starting caliber stretch 4 in Anderson. Rockets do this deal as a salary dump to land LeBron.





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Post#1124 » by thamadkant » Sat Jun 9, 2018 8:11 pm

DirtyDez wrote:Lebron and PG to the Lakers instantly make them a top-5 team in the league and that’s not counting possible trades. Same with Philly.




Wouldn't say top 5.


Playoff contender sure.

But they both can't play 48 minute games and the season is long .. They still need team restructuring
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Post#1125 » by JMac1 » Sat Jun 9, 2018 8:16 pm

Lebron is not going to LAL to get drove by the Rockets or GS in the second round. He'd look like a fool. SAS is not trading Kawhi either. Houston, Philly or Cavs make some changes, like trading us that pick for TJ and another pick in a three-way bring someone else in or creating space for PG to go to Cleveland. If anyone goes to LA it isn't to win.
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Post#1126 » by thamadkant » Sat Jun 9, 2018 8:18 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:I'm just not a fan of how KLove's game has "evolved" since leaving Minnesota. My interest in him is dropping close to zero. I don't think he's a good fit with this young crew. Bender can stretch the floor just as well. Ayton will be gobbling up rebounds. We need defense and versatility at the 4 more than anything, and preferably in the form of a player who can be happy coming off the bench if/when Bender/Chriss takes over.

Come on man.


Bender is no way near the stretch player Love is.

The ONLY thing Bender does offensively is shoot 3pters... And he does that barely reliably every game.... He doesn't shoot enough for the amounts of looks he gets out there.


Love not only shoots 3s.... He puts the team on his back offensively when they ask him to.
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Post#1127 » by BobbieL » Sat Jun 9, 2018 8:38 pm

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ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:I'm just not a fan of how KLove's game has "evolved" since leaving Minnesota. My interest in him is dropping close to zero. I don't think he's a good fit with this young crew. Bender can stretch the floor just as well. Ayton will be gobbling up rebounds. We need defense and versatility at the 4 more than anything, and preferably in the form of a player who can be happy coming off the bench if/when Bender/Chriss takes over.

Come on man.


Bender is no way near the stretch player Love is.

The ONLY thing Bender does offensively is shoot 3pters... And he does that barely reliably every game.... He doesn't shoot enough for the amounts of looks he gets out there.


Love not only shoots 3s.... He puts the team on his back offensively when they ask him to.


One of the reasons - in the trade scenarios I post - mainly using Chandler, Dudley (and Daniels) expiring contracts - is I am trying to trade for better players with short term (2 year) contracts. Marvin Williams, PJ Tucker, Eric Gordon, Kevin Love. All have two years left. Part of adding these players - is I think they are all better than Tyson/Jared at this point and they also give time to Josh, Dragan and Chriss to get better - meaning a two year window before rookie contracts expire, three for Josh. Go back to the Warriors - sure they signed David Lee in 2010; then drafted Klay in 11, BArnes and Green in 12. But they also used an asset like Ellis, not really needed to get Bogut. Bogut has been gone, what two years - but he helped the team.

I see any of the names mentioned above - for various compensation - being both an upgrade and a bridge for the young guys

So getting back to Love and the Cavs. If LeBron leaves - they are still in cap hell in 18/19. But summer of 19, Hill has one year, guaranteed for $1m; JR Smith, only guaranteed like $4m and Korver, the same. So, by trading Love for say Chandler, Warren and a 1st round pick - they get another expiring Chandler when those other contracts essentially expire, they get a young player in WArren and a pick.

Now the Suns will be horrible defensively with Love and Ayton - but they should be able to rebound the hell out of the ball and be better offensively. And maybe because they used Chandler/Warren - so very little if any cap space - they might have some money to sign a "defensive stopper". Like if Houston needs cap space - PJ Tucker for nothing would be a solid move.

Ryan should have already been on the phone with Morey and should be on the phone soon with Altman (give him a few days) - but I think the Suns have young talent, draft picks, expiring contracts, non guaranteed contracts to be a third team to help a team get LeBron or take an asset from the Cavs as they move on from LeBron.
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Post#1128 » by thamadkant » Sat Jun 9, 2018 9:10 pm

If Spurs ring to offer Mills for a 2nd rounder and expiring of Chandler

do you accept?


the spurs could be trying to clear space for Lebron
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Post#1129 » by Kerrsed » Sat Jun 9, 2018 9:56 pm

thamadkant wrote:If Spurs ring to offer Mills for a 2nd rounder and expiring of Chandler

do you accept?


the spurs could be trying to clear space for Lebron


No. I dont want any part of Mediocre Mills, specially at $48M over the next 3 seasons. Now i would be willing to tie that kind of future salary up if it netted us something useful (Whether it be a player or a higher lotto pick), but for pretty much Mills himself? No Way!
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Post#1130 » by BobbieL » Sat Jun 9, 2018 10:08 pm

thamadkant wrote:If Spurs ring to offer Mills for a 2nd rounder and expiring of Chandler

do you accept?


the spurs could be trying to clear space for Lebron


This doesn't help the Spurs get LeBron. Because Chandler would be salary going back

It would have to be a deal -- pre 6/29 of like House, Ulis and Williams for Mills so the Spurs can waive all three as non guaranteed.

As stated before - if Houston called the Suns and were offering Gordon for those three - would pretty much be a no-brainer for me. Those three contracts are huge assets but teams would have to be hoping LeBron opts out for Free Agency
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Post#1131 » by thamadkant » Sat Jun 9, 2018 10:10 pm

I would take Eric Gordon to the Suns for sure, can play a bit of PG/SG, he can play combo guard for sure.

But he is SO valuable next to Harden and Paul... he's like the Draymond Green for them IMO... he just hits shots and make key steals so often
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Post#1132 » by BobbieL » Sat Jun 9, 2018 10:25 pm

thamadkant wrote:I would take Eric Gordon to the Suns for sure, can play a bit of PG/SG, he can play combo guard for sure.

But he is SO valuable next to Harden and Paul... he's like the Draymond Green for them IMO... he just hits shots and make key steals so often


I don't disagree but if the Rockets want LeBron - they have to move assets. I am not even sure moving Tucker and Gordon does the trick. In fact, I think they have to move Anderson as well. But - BUT - if they want to get LeBron - that's why I think Ryan should be on the phone and offer the opportunity to move Gordon for basically minimal going back to the Rockets.

I just am not sure Morey will be able to move Anderson without attaching draft picks and those draft picks - if Houston has Harden, Paul, Capela and LeBron will be pretty nominal at best. Now, if the Suns could get BOTH Gordon and Tucker - I might be inclined to flip a first rounder, protected to the lottery or something that could help Morey move Anderson with picks.
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Post#1133 » by TeamTragic » Sat Jun 9, 2018 10:38 pm

JMac1 wrote:Lebron is not going to LAL to get drove by the Rockets or GS in the second round. He'd look like a fool. SAS is not trading Kawhi either. Houston, Philly or Cavs make some changes, like trading us that pick for TJ and another pick in a three-way bring someone else in or creating space for PG to go to Cleveland. If anyone goes to LA it isn't to win.


I'm just curious why you doubt LeBron. He took that trash team into the finals. I realize that the Western Conference has much better teams. That doesn't change the fact that LeBron is a beast.

If he goes to the Lakers and they get PG13 + maybe Love then they are favorites.
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Post#1134 » by In2ition » Sat Jun 9, 2018 10:58 pm

Years90Suns wrote:
thamadkant wrote:How about...
Suns 2018 Pick 16
Suns Unprotected 2019 Pick
Bucks First round 2019 Pick

for

Lonzo Ball
Deng

Lakers going to field 3 max contracts for Paul George, Lebron James and Cousins


Suns run

G: Ball
G: Booker
F: Jackson
F: Chriss
C: Ayton


I do not want anything to do with the Ball family.
I doubt he can be the PG we need, where that player needs to defend and pass. Sure he can pass, but he cannot defend.
Then the risk of getting into too many troubles with Ball Sr. is too high to risk.
We got rid of the twins, let's not het into trouble again so early.

Are you serious with this? Lonzo happened to be one of the best defensive pgs in the league as a rookie. Are you so blinded by hate of the boogie man (Lavar) that you can't see past him or the Laker jersey Lonzo wears? Please, Lavar has zero power. Lonzo would do wonders, and has in the past, for Jackson, Chriss, Booker and Ayton's games. Just like he elevated a relative unknown in Kuzma.
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Post#1135 » by TeamTragic » Sat Jun 9, 2018 11:21 pm

In2ition wrote:
Years90Suns wrote:
thamadkant wrote:How about...
Suns 2018 Pick 16
Suns Unprotected 2019 Pick
Bucks First round 2019 Pick

for

Lonzo Ball
Deng

Lakers going to field 3 max contracts for Paul George, Lebron James and Cousins


Suns run

G: Ball
G: Booker
F: Jackson
F: Chriss
C: Ayton


I do not want anything to do with the Ball family.
I doubt he can be the PG we need, where that player needs to defend and pass. Sure he can pass, but he cannot defend.
Then the risk of getting into too many troubles with Ball Sr. is too high to risk.
We got rid of the twins, let's not het into trouble again so early.

Are you serious with this? Lonzo happened to be one of the best defensive pgs in the league as a rookie. Are you so blinded by hate of the boogie man (Lavar) that you can't see past him or the Laker jersey Lonzo wears? Please, Lavar has zero power. Lonzo would do wonders, and has in the past, for Jackson, Chriss, Booker and Ayton's games. Just like he elevated a relative unknown in Kuzma.


100% no on Ball. Keep that circus act away from this franchise.
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Post#1136 » by In2ition » Sat Jun 9, 2018 11:26 pm

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In2ition wrote:
Years90Suns wrote:
I do not want anything to do with the Ball family.
I doubt he can be the PG we need, where that player needs to defend and pass. Sure he can pass, but he cannot defend.
Then the risk of getting into too many troubles with Ball Sr. is too high to risk.
We got rid of the twins, let's not het into trouble again so early.

Are you serious with this? Lonzo happened to be one of the best defensive pgs in the league as a rookie. Are you so blinded by hate of the boogie man (Lavar) that you can't see past him or the Laker jersey Lonzo wears? Please, Lavar has zero power. Lonzo would do wonders, and has in the past, for Jackson, Chriss, Booker and Ayton's games. Just like he elevated a relative unknown in Kuzma.


100% no on Ball. Keep that circus act away from this franchise.

I get it. He's a character risk, he's lazy, he's a bad locker room influence, everyone hates him, he gets exposed and can't hold his own next to Booker on defense, and he makes everyone worse on the team.
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Post#1137 » by JMac1 » Sat Jun 9, 2018 11:55 pm

GoranTragic wrote:
JMac1 wrote:Lebron is not going to LAL to get drove by the Rockets or GS in the second round. He'd look like a fool. SAS is not trading Kawhi either. Houston, Philly or Cavs make some changes, like trading us that pick for TJ and another pick in a three-way bring someone else in or creating space for PG to go to Cleveland. If anyone goes to LA it isn't to win.


I'm just curious why you doubt LeBron. He took that trash team into the finals. I realize that the Western Conference has much better teams. That doesn't change the fact that LeBron is a beast.

If he goes to the Lakers and they get PG13 + maybe Love then they are favorites.


Not about Lebron, its about GS and Houston.
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Post#1138 » by BobbieL » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:19 am

JMac1 wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:
JMac1 wrote:Lebron is not going to LAL to get drove by the Rockets or GS in the second round. He'd look like a fool. SAS is not trading Kawhi either. Houston, Philly or Cavs make some changes, like trading us that pick for TJ and another pick in a three-way bring someone else in or creating space for PG to go to Cleveland. If anyone goes to LA it isn't to win.


I'm just curious why you doubt LeBron. He took that trash team into the finals. I realize that the Western Conference has much better teams. That doesn't change the fact that LeBron is a beast.

If he goes to the Lakers and they get PG13 + maybe Love then they are favorites.


Not about Lebron, its about GS and Houston.


If LeBron wants to win - I think he has to go to Houston or maybe Boston. Granted, him and Kyrie again - probably not the match. And what would it take to get him. Hayward and Tatum to start with.

San Antonio - is Kawhi, Aldridge and James enough? I am not sure they can make it happen unless guys opt out - which seems like they do for the Spurs and somebody takes Gasol

I still think its Houston - but I just am not sure what team is taking Ryan Anderson. I see the teams with cap space to take him but not sure Chicago would take him; Atlanta, the 76ers want LeBron. Granted, if Houston does get LeBron - its going to cost them Gordon or Tucker as well; they are going to lose Ariza - its tough move.
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Post#1139 » by DirtyDez » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:31 am

GoranTragic wrote:
JMac1 wrote:Lebron is not going to LAL to get drove by the Rockets or GS in the second round. He'd look like a fool. SAS is not trading Kawhi either. Houston, Philly or Cavs make some changes, like trading us that pick for TJ and another pick in a three-way bring someone else in or creating space for PG to go to Cleveland. If anyone goes to LA it isn't to win.


I'm just curious why you doubt LeBron. He took that trash team into the finals. I realize that the Western Conference has much better teams. That doesn't change the fact that LeBron is a beast.

If he goes to the Lakers and they get PG13 + maybe Love then they are favorites.


Not Love but a better fitting PG. They can sign both Lebron plus another max without having to dump salary. Ingram, Kuzma and Lonzo all have trade value. It’s not like Chris Paul will get more durable with age.
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Post#1140 » by denial » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:33 am

thamadkant wrote:I would take Eric Gordon to the Suns for sure, can play a bit of PG/SG, he can play combo guard for sure.

But he is SO valuable next to Harden and Paul... he's like the Draymond Green for them IMO... he just hits shots and make key steals so often


Didn't he used to play for NO and we recruited him hard as a FA? As I remember it, he rejected the Suns, perhaps publicly, saying (or implying or tweeting or something) that he didn't want to come here?
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