2020 Season/Offseason (FA/Trade) Speculation - the Season Resumes

[WeekapaugGroove]

Serge Ibaka has been really good this year yet I'd be scared to death of signing him to a long term deal for big money.

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Off topic - I get why Kawhi wanted to go home but if he truly wanted to win a title - getting out of the East with the crew in Toronto was always going to be easier than getting out of the West. And thats important to winning a championship - getting there. A 1+1 made sense to me if he wanted to win this year

I get it though - he can helicopter to practice

Yeah from a pure basketball perspective that 1+1 made the most sense.

I want my bucks to win a championship this year so I was only slightly annoyed he chose the Clips... At least it wasn't the **** Lakers.

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[Crives]

If we can get FVV while holding onto Saric/Carter we will be set for a long time.

PG - Rubio / FVV / Payne
SG - Booker / FVV / JC
SF - Bridges / #10
PF - Cam / Dario
C - Ayton/ Dario

[bwgood77]

Why would FVV want to leave Toronto? Why would Toronto not offer him a reasonable contract? FVV is a terrific player, he's thrived under Nick Nurse, and Nurse has gotten more out of him than any other coach could have. I imagine Fred stays put.

Yeah, the guy is starting on the defending champions who have a very good shot imo of getting back to the finals, and maybe winning. This series against the Celtics is going to be crazy, but I still give them the edge and feel they can beat the Bucks too....I will say, though, that I think the Heat are going to be a tough out for anyone...the Bucks or the Raptors (or Celtics).

FVV would need to start.

But the main point is there is no way Toronto lets him go....he's too valuable...he's their future along with Pascal. I think they'd easily sooner part with Lowry.

Now if he is Unrestricted and someone offers him a monster contract and starting position that Toronto is hesitant to match, that's the only possibility but I still think Toronto will pay him and I think he might even stay for less money.

[Blonde]

I’ve been thinking about Paul George a lot lately with how terrible he’s been in the playoffs so far. Ya’ll think there’s a chance we would pursue George in free agency next summer? Would you want to? He’s got a big fat player option but maybe he decides he’s not suited for the bright lights and big city and he’d rather come play in a mid market like Phoenix. Could be the starting PF here to close out his career. Could be an under the radar “big name” that we actually stand a chance to get.

[bwgood77]

I'm not necessarily seeing the hype, unless we want him as backup 2. As a PG he isn't doing anything that Rubio can't. Per 36 FVV is 18/4/7 compared to Rubio's 15/5/10. I don't see him taking the starting PG job.

I love Rubio, he's been absolutely delightful to have as the PG. I've just always liked FVV and think he's a 'winning' player as cliche as that sounds. So I'd be cool kicking the tires on him even though I doubt they land him. Need lots of good players in this league.

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Yeah, no doubt FVV would be our sixth man, with Payne falling to third PG (and out of the rotation) behind him.

This is going to force Toronto into some difficult decisions. Probably can't keep all of FVV, Ibaka and Boucher. Serge is earning himself some money in the bubble. Their depth is their biggest strength, but it's about to get very expensive to keep that group together.

If money is somehow a factor, that doesn't seem very difficult. You first let Ibaka go. He's playing well but getting older....you could keep him over Boucher too. FVV is far more important to that team than either of those guys.

[bwgood77]

I’ve been thinking about Paul George a lot lately with how terrible he’s been in the playoffs so far. Ya’ll think there’s a chance we would pursue George in free agency next summer? Would you want to? He’s got a big fat player option but maybe he decides he’s not suited for the bright lights and big city and he’d rather come play in a mid market like Phoenix. Could be the starting PF here to close out his career. Could be an under the radar “big name” that we actually stand a chance to get.

Yeah, there is a chance we pursue him. I doubt he leaves LA though. There were rumors from his Indy days that he wanted to go back home to LA.

[ray ray]

With philly being in turmoil, what are the chances the suns go and are able to obtain Joel Embiid?

Suns trade:
Kelly Oubre
DeAndre Ayton
Our 10th pick
2021 1st round pick

Philly trades:
Joel Embiid

Just a suggestion

[bwgood77]

With philly being in turmoil, what are the chances the suns go and are able to obtain Joel Embiid?

Suns trade:
Kelly Oubre
DeAndre Ayton
Our 10th pick
2021 1st round pick

Philly trades:
Joel Embiid

Just a suggestion

1-2%

[Jarlaxle0204]

I think and hope we basically stand pat this offseason and give another chance to see what this group can do with some continuity. The year to make a push at free agents is next year when there are intriguing names out there. Resign guys to one year deals and run it back.

If Philly was to blow it up, I'd be much more interested in Simmons than Embiid though.

[Stark]

Our biggest need is a back up guard who can play next to either Book or Rubio. FVV as i mentioned before would be the best target for that. If we manage to sign him it doesn't mean we will trade Rubio or we give him a starter role he would play 30 min off the bench. In that scenario Oubre is the odd man out, it is likely that we're not gonna resign him so we might trade him for a pick and salary cap and sign FVV. Use rest of the cap-space to keep Saric-Payne-Carter and sign a cheaper forward. Draft the BPA available and we're set. I also think FVV might not accept a bench role and Toronto would be foolish to let him go but of course they might wanna save cap-space to pursue a bigger name in the future and he might just want to play here. Letting Oubre go would be tough but if we can get a pick and manage to get a steal i'm ok with it.

[bwgood77]

Still don't see Philly trading Embiid or Simmons. Blowing it up when you were a 6 seed (close to a 4 seed) when your two best players missed 17 and 22 games and your all star PG was missing the playoffs, what do people expect?

If they were healthy they would have been the 4 seed at worst (only needed 3 more wins)....and maybe better. Their pieces don't fit well, but since they are locked into Horford and Harris, trading Simmons or Embiid is unlikely to make them better. Not sure they can win now.

Neither of those guys is really the problem, though of course if Simmons would shoot it would help.

[SunsLyf3]

We would be pretty stupid to move on from Rubio. Especially after he shot a career high from 3 too.

He actually shot higher from 3 than Booker did.

Plus -- I think he is more a pure PG - I like that!

if FVV wants to sign to be on the bench - granted that would mean no FA in 2021 and Saris probably gone

I think - sign Augustin or Dragic

I don't hate Augustin, but his shooting percentage from inside the 3pt arc is flat out garbage. Would much rather Dragic.

Augustin is a name I hope we would have traded for at the deadline or last season, along with Gordon. With our current PG situation I'm not sire I want another PG on the team though. I'd want someone with a bit mkre size to back up Book and can switch to SF as well.

[Jarlaxle0204]

Our biggest need is a back up guard who can play next to either Book or Rubio. FVV as i mentioned before would be the best target for that. If we manage to sign him it doesn't mean we will trade Rubio or we give him a starter role he would play 30 min off the bench. In that scenario Oubre is the odd man out, it is likely that we're not gonna resign him so we might trade him for a pick and salary cap and sign FVV. Use rest of the cap-space to keep Saric-Payne-Carter and sign a cheaper forward. Draft the BPA available and we're set. I also think FVV might not accept a bench role and Toronto would be foolish to let him go but of course they might wanna save cap-space to pursue a bigger name in the future and he might just want to play here. Letting Oubre go would be tough but if we can get a pick and manage to get a steal i'm ok with it.

I'm not really interested in trading Oubre but if that's the front office's decision, do you think we could package Oubre and #10 to GS to move up to #2?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Our biggest need is a back up guard who can play next to either Book or Rubio. FVV as i mentioned before would be the best target for that. If we manage to sign him it doesn't mean we will trade Rubio or we give him a starter role he would play 30 min off the bench. In that scenario Oubre is the odd man out, it is likely that we're not gonna resign him so we might trade him for a pick and salary cap and sign FVV. Use rest of the cap-space to keep Saric-Payne-Carter and sign a cheaper forward. Draft the BPA available and we're set. I also think FVV might not accept a bench role and Toronto would be foolish to let him go but of course they might wanna save cap-space to pursue a bigger name in the future and he might just want to play here. Letting Oubre go would be tough but if we can get a pick and manage to get a steal i'm ok with it.

I'm not really interested in trading Oubre but if that's the front office's decision, do you think we could package Oubre and #10 to GS to move up to #2?

To pick who?

[Stark]

Our biggest need is a back up guard who can play next to either Book or Rubio. FVV as i mentioned before would be the best target for that. If we manage to sign him it doesn't mean we will trade Rubio or we give him a starter role he would play 30 min off the bench. In that scenario Oubre is the odd man out, it is likely that we're not gonna resign him so we might trade him for a pick and salary cap and sign FVV. Use rest of the cap-space to keep Saric-Payne-Carter and sign a cheaper forward. Draft the BPA available and we're set. I also think FVV might not accept a bench role and Toronto would be foolish to let him go but of course they might wanna save cap-space to pursue a bigger name in the future and he might just want to play here. Letting Oubre go would be tough but if we can get a pick and manage to get a steal i'm ok with it.

I'm not really interested in trading Oubre but if that's the front office's decision, do you think we could package Oubre and #10 to GS to move up to #2?

I mean if we are going to sign someone like FVV and also keep the most of the band together. We need to create cap-space and easiest way to do that is trading Oubre. About the trade you mention, first i don't think GS can absorb Oubre's contract and also i wouldn't do that trade. This draft is a crapshoot, none of the top prospects looks exciting or ready to contribute from day one. I'd rather keep the 10. Toppin or Haliburton can fall or we can get another solid role player similar to Cam. Getting an extra pick would be way better and if we could nail those two picks it would be huuge.

[BobbieL]

I’ve been thinking about Paul George a lot lately with how terrible he’s been in the playoffs so far. Ya’ll think there’s a chance we would pursue George in free agency next summer? Would you want to? He’s got a big fat player option but maybe he decides he’s not suited for the bright lights and big city and he’d rather come play in a mid market like Phoenix. Could be the starting PF here to close out his career. Could be an under the radar “big name” that we actually stand a chance to get.

Yeah, there is a chance we pursue him. I doubt he leaves LA though. There were rumors from his Indy days that he wanted to go back home to LA.

Seems pretty far-fetched he would leave LA. Plus they gave up like 5 first rounders for the guy. But, this is one of the reasons I am more inclined to play it closer to the vest this offseason and have 1) Hopefully, the growth of the players to show the rest of the league how much better an option is 2) the cap space to get an elite player.

FVV might be nice but at what cost. And could a player like Augustin or the like. I mean, could the team renounce Baynes and sign a guy like Augustin for 7-8m and than a big for 2-3m or the veterans minimum. Cap flexibility in 2021 would be very strong.

[bwgood77]

I’ve been thinking about Paul George a lot lately with how terrible he’s been in the playoffs so far. Ya’ll think there’s a chance we would pursue George in free agency next summer? Would you want to? He’s got a big fat player option but maybe he decides he’s not suited for the bright lights and big city and he’d rather come play in a mid market like Phoenix. Could be the starting PF here to close out his career. Could be an under the radar “big name” that we actually stand a chance to get.

Yeah, there is a chance we pursue him. I doubt he leaves LA though. There were rumors from his Indy days that he wanted to go back home to LA.

Seems pretty far-fetched he would leave LA. Plus they gave up like 5 first rounders for the guy. But, this is one of the reasons I am more inclined to play it closer to the vest this offseason and have 1) Hopefully, the growth of the players to show the rest of the league how much better an option is 2) the cap space to get an elite player.

FVV might be nice but at what cost. And could a player like Augustin or the like. I mean, could the team renounce Baynes and sign a guy like Augustin for 7-8m and than a big for 2-3m or the veterans minimum. Cap flexibility in 2021 would be very strong.

The only chance we have at making a run at FVV is if we do some sort of Oubre salary dump trade around the draft (though we should be able to at least get a second instead of give one up) and then renounce at least Baynes. That would give us well over $20 million.

And yeah, with what LA gave up to get George, they are not going to trade him, certainly not for whatever was suggested. They probably don't trade him for anyone on our team. Maybe Booker but obviously we wouldn't.

[BobbieL]

Yeah, there is a chance we pursue him. I doubt he leaves LA though. There were rumors from his Indy days that he wanted to go back home to LA.

Seems pretty far-fetched he would leave LA. Plus they gave up like 5 first rounders for the guy. But, this is one of the reasons I am more inclined to play it closer to the vest this offseason and have 1) Hopefully, the growth of the players to show the rest of the league how much better an option is 2) the cap space to get an elite player.

FVV might be nice but at what cost. And could a player like Augustin or the like. I mean, could the team renounce Baynes and sign a guy like Augustin for 7-8m and than a big for 2-3m or the veterans minimum. Cap flexibility in 2021 would be very strong.

The only chance we have at making a run at FVV is if we do some sort of Oubre salary dump trade around the draft (though we should be able to at least get a second instead of give one up) and then renounce at least Baynes. That would give us well over $20 million.

And yeah, with what LA gave up to get George, they are not going to trade him, certainly not for whatever was suggested. They probably don't trade him for anyone on our team. Maybe Booker but obviously we wouldn't.

I went to Spotrac and put in the 10th pick and renounced/waived Baynes, Diallo, Owens, Frank and Okobo while keeping Payne and having the cap hold for Saric - I have the Suns at 13m or thereabouts.

With this free agent class and not much money on the market - granted the cap could drop - couldn't the Suns be wise with the money, there won't be a lot out there anyway for players - and stand pat for 2021 without having to dump Oubre for nothing. I am open to this but I guess not for FVV.

[bigfoot]

What do people expect FVV will command on the FA market? Marks said $25M to $30M. That doesn't sound reasonable to me. What is an estimate?

[BobbieL]

What do people expect FVV will command on the FA market? Marks said $25M to $30M. That doesn't sound reasonable to me. What is an estimate?

I would say in a normal market: 20-22m

who knows what the cap will do to things this fall