2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The KD era begins

[lilfishi22]

That just doesn’t look right

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It's like seeing an ex-partner with their new partner on social media

[suns12345]

I just don't see how the Suns got better, you better hope kd cp3 book and ayton can play 45 minutes a night cause there is nothing off the bench. And after 2 years this team toast.

I for 1 hate this deal. Good luck.

To be fair, we didn't have a ton off the bench before either. Crowder wasn't playing which meant Craig had to start. Cam was injured for the whole season and when he came back, Book was out so Craig continued to start. Ironically it wasn't until the Brooklyn game did we have our former starters back healthy and Craig came off the bench again.

Even then it was still the DLee's, SLee's, Jock's and Wainwright's off the bench with Craig. Not exactly solid then. We certainly need to hope for some decent buy out guys.

This is the underrated part of the trade (and new owner?), we become the #1 buyout destination.

And I think if we view the trade as Mikal Cam & Picks for Durant, TJ + Reggie Jackson and Kevin Love (or whatever players we end up wanting/needing) it does seem fairer value perhaps.

At least it does in the context of being all in for this year.

[Qwigglez]

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Highly doubt these two are smiling when they take pictures for the Nets. Sounds like the Nets dysfunction is about the same as the Suns with Sarver.

[lilfishi22]

Gotta give it to JJ, I mean he knew the ramifications of trading Mikal, he knows how much we all love him and what he brought to the Valley. I honestly still don't know if I would have personally pulled the trigger on that trade. But I run off of emotions rather than logic 70% of the time.

I think this move is 90% Ishbia and 10% JJ just working out what needed to be done to get it over the line. Mikal and Cam are definitely JJ's type of guys, high IQ, great shooting, great team guys and played both ends of the court. The splashiness of this move feels mostly Ishbia because JJ wouldn't have done this deal if Nets demanded Mikal

[Qwigglez]

Forgot, there was one thing I wanted to mention about the trade. If we were trading Cam Johnson, I felt we should have come to terms with Jae Crowder. He would have been the ideal 4 man with KD at the 3. It sounds like Crowder wasn't starting, but with Cam gone, he starts again. I suppose Crowder starts with the Bucks, but he probably would be playing more minutes with the Suns.

I know Gambo mentioned what happened between Jae and Monty, and Monty didn't want to deal with him, but man I feel we could have taken this a different direction.

[WeekapaugGroove]

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Looks like they do expect to have TJ play for them. Good

The last line and subtle jab at Jae is funny

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[Qwigglez]

Gotta give it to JJ, I mean he knew the ramifications of trading Mikal, he knows how much we all love him and what he brought to the Valley. I honestly still don't know if I would have personally pulled the trigger on that trade. But I run off of emotions rather than logic 70% of the time.

I think this move is 90% Ishbia and 10% JJ just working out what needed to be done to get it over the line. Mikal and Cam are definitely JJ's type of guys, high IQ, great shooting, great team guys and played both ends of the court. The splashiness of this move feels mostly Ishbia because JJ wouldn't have done this deal if Nets demanded Mikal

Agreed. I think Jones probably also told Ishbia, yo man these clowns want 4 1st, I don't think we should do that if we are also giving them Bridges and Cam. And then Ishbia said... just get it done.

[sunsbum]

That just doesn’t look right

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[spanishninja]

That just doesn’t look right

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It's like seeing an ex-partner with their new partner on social media

so I assume Mikal is playing tonight against the Bulls?

[matt131]

Here we go

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Gotta give it to JJ, I mean he knew the ramifications of trading Mikal, he knows how much we all love him and what he brought to the Valley. I honestly still don't know if I would have personally pulled the trigger on that trade. But I run off of emotions rather than logic 70% of the time.

I think this move is 90% Ishbia and 10% JJ just working out what needed to be done to get it over the line. Mikal and Cam are definitely JJ's type of guys, high IQ, great shooting, great team guys and played both ends of the court. The splashiness of this move feels mostly Ishbia because JJ wouldn't have done this deal if Nets demanded Mikal

I think Mat pushed it over the line but I think this is the exact kind of move Jones wanted to make. He won rings playing with super stars, he traded for CP, and he was after KD before Sarver was booted. Yes I think he values guys like Mikal and Cam but I think he knows you need guys like KD if the ultimate goal is a ring.

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[grumpysaddle]

Boys.......we have Kevin **** Durant. As well as that Devin Booker guy. On our team. We're winning a chip.

I'm still bummed out about the trade but I need this energy

I was torn all night and this morning, but then I thought about it and I'm not bummed anymore. This gives me a reason to pay attention to another team and keep up with Mikal and Cam. Want nothing but the best for either of them.

Durant/Booker/Ayton/Paul with (a hopefully healthy) TJ Warren off the bench is insane. Not to mention the inevitable pickup or two of buyout players. I also think this unlocks Ayton to his full potential. There's no more pressure for him to be the man, or the 2nd guy. He can just ball now and not be bogged down by the pressure. Booker can no longer by double-teamed relentlessly for entire games, same with Durant. Paul can almost solely focus on distributing and taking the wide open 3s he'll see now. But yeah, I think this move unlocks Ayton the most. He'll have a smaller role, but that role he has will be the things he should be great at.

If we can stay healthy, we are the team to beat, east or west.

[sunsfan1o1]

I’d do Will Barton and Reggie Jackson ASAP. If I had to choose it would be Barton. I just don’t think Monty would use him properly

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[BobbieL]

I’d do Will Barton and Reggie Jackson ASAP. If I had to choose it would be Barton. I just don’t think Monty would use him properly

The Suns really need one of them. Might need Jackson more as the combo guard off the bench - pending the status of Shamet and Cam Payne. I am sure the Suns will be a popular option for many of the bought out players and they might be first in line this year

[WeekapaugGroove]

Interesting. Bobby Marks said that players who get bought out and sign with another team are essentially labeling themselves as minimum players for the rest of their career. He thinks Reggie Jackson could easily get bought out and then sit until free agency to avoid that label.

It's a weird view for Bobby to take with Jackson specifically because a few years ago Jackson was bought out by Detroit, went to the Clips and then earned a non min contract after playing well.

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[grumpysaddle]

Forgot, there was one thing I wanted to mention about the trade. If we were trading Cam Johnson, I felt we should have come to terms with Jae Crowder. He would have been the ideal 4 man with KD at the 3. It sounds like Crowder wasn't starting, but with Cam gone, he starts again. I suppose Crowder starts with the Bucks, but he probably would be playing more minutes with the Suns.

I know Gambo mentioned what happened between Jae and Monty, and Monty didn't want to deal with him, but man I feel we could have taken this a different direction.

Nope. That ship sailed when Jae decided to stay home and collect a paycheck instead of being a professional, all whilst blaming it on the team.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[lilfishi22]

Gotta give it to JJ, I mean he knew the ramifications of trading Mikal, he knows how much we all love him and what he brought to the Valley. I honestly still don't know if I would have personally pulled the trigger on that trade. But I run off of emotions rather than logic 70% of the time.

I think this move is 90% Ishbia and 10% JJ just working out what needed to be done to get it over the line. Mikal and Cam are definitely JJ's type of guys, high IQ, great shooting, great team guys and played both ends of the court. The splashiness of this move feels mostly Ishbia because JJ wouldn't have done this deal if Nets demanded Mikal

I think Mat pushed it over the line but I think this is the exact kind of move Jones wanted to make. He won rings playing with super stars, he traded for CP, and he was after KD before Sarver was booted. Yes I think he values guys like Mikal and Cam but I think he knows you need guys like KD if the ultimate goal is a ring.

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I don't doubt Jones wanted to make a big move especially considering how closely linked we were to KD in the offseason and since he hasn't made a big move in like 3 years but including Mikal and all those picks definitely doesn't feel like JJ. Those are what I think made the trade and they have new owner energy all over it.

[matt131]

This is good to see

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