The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

[Ghost of Kleine]

OG/Mitch Rob for KD is pretty good, but both guys are basically locks to miss extended stretches with injuries.

I don't like the NY offer. I don't trust OG to stay healthy and neither Mitch's health but ay least he's a $13m expiring. I also don't think the Knicks draft capital is that enticing either. They own their two picks in 2026 and 2030 and a bunch of 2nd rounders between then but while the 2 picks and 2nds are cool, I just don't love the players coming back.

For my part, getting back a cumulative of Anunoby/ Robinson or Bridges/ Hart/ Robinson (primarily due to the attached injury/ durability issues) and the fact that Robinson's main value would be as an expiring piece, I'd still require at least a 1st and two 2nds or two firsts to complete the trade!

The pick value for me would have to contain either the WAS 26' 1st ( Top 10 protected) and the 26' 2nd via (DET, MIL, or Orlando)/28' 2nd via (IND or PHX).

OR

WAS 26' 1st ( Top 10 protected) and NYK 31' 1st.
** I'd also look to flip Hart elsewhere for other pieces and picks/ a pick too, to increase value and flexibility.

[Frank Lee]

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Is it me or is Gambo all keyed up ? Dude is bouncing. Better lay off the supps


Once again, our off-season is more interesting than our regular season. The only thing this fan base has been looking forward to is dismantling this abomination. Keeps us warm at night.



And KD is our Trojan horse… he’s our small pox infested blankets. Go ahead Houston, go ahead San Antonio. The Slim Sleeper will anesthetize your offenses. The ultimate deferral. I’m not sure where he fits in anymore. King Iso. Neither one of those teams has a leader that I know of.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Thats a lot of defense AND OG seems like he is ready to handle more offensively. OG is big and athletic enough to be a Pf next to Dunn.

Anunoby would be solid next to Dunn for the reasons that you've mentioned. But f trading for Anunoby, then it'd be imperative to also draft Adou Thiero ( at 29) and have Anunoby mentor him as Thiero is 1000% a nearly identical archetype to Anunoby in almost every way possible.

And due to Orlando's increasingly difficult cap situation around Bancheros' scale increase extension (next season), I'd probably do something around Allen/Robinson/ CLE 27' 1st for Isaac/ WCJr/ 25th pick.

This would allow them to buy out Robinsons' 14 million and reduce their cap hit (2nd apron) by around almost $13 million once Bancheros' extension kicks in. They could still use their 16th pick and 46th picks on cheaper cost effective center acquisitions from the draft to replace Carter Jr. And they'd add shooting depth via Allen too.

And for us, we'd have added Anunoby/ Isaac/ WCJr/ and 25th pick, 29th pick, WAS 26' 1st (Top 10 protected)/ 26' 2nd via (DET, MIL, or ORL). So, I'd follow this trade up with an O'neale/ Martin/ Richards to Washington for Smart/ 40th pick deal.

25- Maxime Raynaud. Pau Gasol/ Alperan Sengun (offensively).
29- Adou Thiero. Anunoby (Two way SF/ PF).
40- Sion James. Marcus Smart/ Desmond Bane.
52- Neoklis Avadalas. Avdija ( Floor)/ Doncic (ceiling).
** Avadalas in G league (two way) to work on playmaking/ shooting.

Now we'd have this:
Marcus Smart/ Anunoby/ Isaac/ WCJr/ 25th pick/ 29th pick/ 26' 1st and 26' 2nd. And a roster of ................

Smart/ Booker/ Anunoby/ Isaac/ WCJr.
Paul/ Trent Jr/ Dunn/ Ighodaro/ Raynaud.
Gillespie/ James/ Thiero/ Bol Bol/ Isaac.

I'm not too concerned with picks in 27 or 29, as we could get those back when Booker asks out and/ or is traded.

[Saberestar]

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Once again, our off-season is more interesting than our regular season. The only thing this fan base has been looking forward to is dismantling this abomination. Keeps us warm at night.



And KD is our Trojan horse… he’s our small pox infested blankets. Go ahead Houston, go ahead San Antonio. The Slim Sleeper will anesthetize your offenses. The ultimate deferral. I’m not sure where he fits in anymore. King Iso. Neither one of those teams has a leader that I know of.

Clippers has available 2031 unprotected pick, they would need to start offering that.

The problem is that his best player available is ANOTHER SG... Norman Powell.

The other palyers...I don’t care. Decent role players like Kris Dunn, Derrick Jones Jr...but they don't have young players with potential or anything like that.

Not an interesting trade partner.

[Saberestar]

For what we know at the moment the teams that are interested in KD:

Spurs
Rockets
Knicks
Timberwolves
Hawks
Clippers

[Rebound Mound]

If the Knicks are crazy enough to send Anounoby and Robinson for KD, I would say that is much more than expected.
OG is a solid PF who can also play SF, He is tough, he is a super elite defender and he is a team player who can adjust to whatever role he is assigned.
Robinson is huge and an elite off rebounder. He does not offer much more offensively, but he can set really good screens and roles very well to the basket for an alle oop. We need players that can get advantage of that. I mean, good passers and players who dribble well and are patient enough to not rush the pass. Not the best off tool, as he lacks post moves, shooting capacities... everything. But he is a solid presence.

If we just could send Beal to Orlando for Bitadze and a decent role player, our situation would be much different. Then we would need to find a solid PG.

XXX
Booker
Dunn
Anounoby
Robinson
-----------------
Gillespie
Allen
Bol
Oso
Bitadze

May be it does not sound as much. Probably the Rockets offer is better.

[KdoubleDees23]

Wonder if Magic would want a veteran in Bradley Beal.

Isaac, Cole Anthony, and GOGA for Bradley Beal and #29.

I would do that in a heart beat if I was the Suns. Gives Magic a veteran and a draft pick

Suns then would have

Cole Anthony
Booker
Allen
KD / Isaac
Richards / Goga

That is if they don't trade KD. If they do, add those assets in for the depth!!!

[schnakenpopanz]

If the Knicks are crazy enough to send Anounoby and Robinson for KD, I would say that is much more than expected.
OG is a solid PF who can also play SF, He is tough, he is a super elite defender and he is a team player who can adjust to whatever role he is assigned.
Robinson is huge and an elite off rebounder. He does not offer much more offensively, but he can set really good screens and roles very well to the basket for an alle oop. We need players that can get advantage of that. I mean, good passers and players who dribble well and are patient enough to not rush the pass. Not the best off tool, as he lacks post moves, shooting capacities... everything. But he is a solid presence.

If we just could send Beal to Orlando for Bitadze and a decent role player, our situation would be much different. Then we would need to find a solid PG.

XXX
Booker
Dunn
Anounoby
Robinson
-----------------
Gillespie
Allen
Bol
Oso
Bitadze

May be it does not sound as much. Probably the Rockets offer is better.

having the XXX unsettled will be a blueprint for disaster.
this team would have been amazing with past CP3 at the helm, but not better than the current suns. sadly

[King4Day]

Wonder if Magic would want a veteran in Bradley Beal.

Isaac, Cole Anthony, and GOGA for Bradley Beal and #29.

I would do that in a heart beat if I was the Suns. Gives Magic a veteran and a draft pick

Suns then would have

Cole Anthony
Booker
Allen
KD / Isaac
Richards / Goga

That is if they don't trade KD. If they do, add those assets in for the depth!!!

Beal has negative value. As happy as I'd be to eat my words, there's no chance anyone is taking Beal, let alone offering any value for him.

Best case scenario is if the Bucks MUST have a player who can see the court this year and can't wait for Lillard to come back in a year. Or Murray from the Hawks. That's how low Beal's value is.

[Rebound Mound]

If the Knicks are crazy enough to send Anounoby and Robinson for KD, I would say that is much more than expected.
OG is a solid PF who can also play SF, He is tough, he is a super elite defender and he is a team player who can adjust to whatever role he is assigned.
Robinson is huge and an elite off rebounder. He does not offer much more offensively, but he can set really good screens and roles very well to the basket for an alle oop. We need players that can get advantage of that. I mean, good passers and players who dribble well and are patient enough to not rush the pass. Not the best off tool, as he lacks post moves, shooting capacities... everything. But he is a solid presence.

If we just could send Beal to Orlando for Bitadze and a decent role player, our situation would be much different. Then we would need to find a solid PG.

XXX
Booker
Dunn
Anounoby
Robinson
-----------------
Gillespie
Allen
Bol
Oso
Bitadze

May be it does not sound as much. Probably the Rockets offer is better.

having the XXX unsettled will be a blueprint for disaster.
this team would have been amazing with past CP3 at the helm, but not better than the current suns. sadly

We still have Allen and Oneale to find a decent PG.
Of course, with Booker's approval so that PG is someone he likes playing with...
;-(

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[BobbieL]

If the Knicks are crazy enough to send Anounoby and Robinson for KD, I would say that is much more than expected.
OG is a solid PF who can also play SF, He is tough, he is a super elite defender and he is a team player who can adjust to whatever role he is assigned.
Robinson is huge and an elite off rebounder. He does not offer much more offensively, but he can set really good screens and roles very well to the basket for an alle oop. We need players that can get advantage of that. I mean, good passers and players who dribble well and are patient enough to not rush the pass. Not the best off tool, as he lacks post moves, shooting capacities... everything. But he is a solid presence.

If we just could send Beal to Orlando for Bitadze and a decent role player, our situation would be much different. Then we would need to find a solid PG.

XXX
Booker
Dunn
Anounoby
Robinson
-----------------
Gillespie
Allen
Bol
Oso
Bitadze

May be it does not sound as much. Probably the Rockets offer is better.

Could the Suns get the Knicks to add Koley to OG and Robinson - they were get their PG.

If Ishbia is wanting to build around Booker in the short term - the Knicks offer might be the best

Longer term, see what the Rockets off - see if you can get Jabari Smith and draft picks

[BobbieL]

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Martin will be next to get closer to the apron

Durant could also save them money
Of course the Allen to Orlando for Bitazde would be $6.6
So between Martin, Micic and this idea of a trade - over $20m

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Fo-Real]

For what we know at the moment the teams that are interested in KD:

Spurs
Rockets
Knicks
Timberwolves
Hawks
Clippers

I thought the Hawks were only speculated here. I haven't seen them mentioned anywhere else honestly.

[Fo-Real]

If the Knicks are crazy enough to send Anounoby and Robinson for KD, I would say that is much more than expected.
OG is a solid PF who can also play SF, He is tough, he is a super elite defender and he is a team player who can adjust to whatever role he is assigned.
Robinson is huge and an elite off rebounder. He does not offer much more offensively, but he can set really good screens and roles very well to the basket for an alle oop. We need players that can get advantage of that. I mean, good passers and players who dribble well and are patient enough to not rush the pass. Not the best off tool, as he lacks post moves, shooting capacities... everything. But he is a solid presence.

If we just could send Beal to Orlando for Bitadze and a decent role player, our situation would be much different. Then we would need to find a solid PG.

XXX
Booker
Dunn
Anounoby
Robinson
-----------------
Gillespie
Allen
Bol
Oso
Bitadze

May be it does not sound as much. Probably the Rockets offer is better.

Wont happen so point is moot BUT, if we got Robinson, we would need a + point guard coming in.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Martin will be next to get closer to the apron

Durant could also save them money
Of course the Allen to Orlando for Bitazde would be $6.6
So between Martin, Micic and this idea of a trade - over $20m

This is also why I mention a trade package of O'neale/ Martin/ CLE 27' 1st for Marcus Smart and 40th pick (PHX 25 2nd). Because we'd be exchanging O'neales' multi year contract for an expiring in the deal and adding another draft pick (mid 2nd rounder) in the trade while addressing our starting point guard needs (even if only a stopgap option).

But then would be set up more for free agency in 26. And then we could do an Allen/ Richards/ CLE 29' 1st package for Isaac/ Bidatze/ 25th pick trade? Or an Allen/ Richards for KCP 25th pick trade. And use the KD trade to pull a center or cap reduction to sign a center from free agency. Perhaps Adams or Lopez??

But picking up the 25th pick would really help us to fill out the roster depth with more young cost controlled talent to also reduce our cap and open spots up to higher value free agent signings. So if we did these trades, then we'd be looking at adding.....................

PG- Marcus Smart. 22 million expiring contract.
PF- Isaac. 15 million ( partially guaranteed contract).
Center- Bidatze. 8 million short term- expiring in 27 contract).
- 25th pick.
- 29th pick.
- 40th pick.
- 52nd pick.
**PLUS whatever we get from a KD trade too. Maybe a lottery pick, other assets? And we'd be set up to ge players in free agency.

[Ghost of Kleine]

If the Knicks are crazy enough to send Anounoby and Robinson for KD, I would say that is much more than expected.
OG is a solid PF who can also play SF, He is tough, he is a super elite defender and he is a team player who can adjust to whatever role he is assigned.
Robinson is huge and an elite off rebounder. He does not offer much more offensively, but he can set really good screens and roles very well to the basket for an alle oop. We need players that can get advantage of that. I mean, good passers and players who dribble well and are patient enough to not rush the pass. Not the best off tool, as he lacks post moves, shooting capacities... everything. But he is a solid presence.

If we just could send Beal to Orlando for Bitadze and a decent role player, our situation would be much different. Then we would need to find a solid PG.

XXX
Booker
Dunn
Anounoby
Robinson
-----------------
Gillespie
Allen
Bol
Oso
Bitadze

May be it does not sound as much. Probably the Rockets offer is better.

Wont happen so point is moot BUT, if we got Robinson, we would need a + point guard coming in.

Point Guard situation could be solved with either an O'neale/ Martin / Richards to Washington for Marcus Smart/ 40th pick (use to replace Richards with Neiderhauser, Zisarky, or Goldin)??

Or

O'neale/ Richards/ CLE 27' 1st/ for Ball/ 45th pick (used to replace Richards with one of Neiderhauser, Zisarky, or Goldin). Then resign Lonzo Ball to a new deal, and use the KD trade to get more assets and cap flexibility to sign one of Adams, Lopez or Capela in free agency??

Now we'd have addressed our starting guard and center options with either trade. And we could save Allen to use in an Orlando trade for Bidatze as our backup center option if we like?

[Saberestar]

Tom Izzo:

“He’s great, a really smart kid,” Izzo said about the 40-year-old Ott. “Works his ass off. He’s a guy that has enjoyed the process. He’s really a thorough guy.

He worked under some good people. I think (Cavs head coach and 2024-25 NBA coach of the year Kenny Atkinson) is one of the best coaches in the league. That will be a big plus with him.”

“He doesn’t want to be an absentee owner,” Izzo said about Matt Ishbia. “He’s done a lot of things. He can take some crap because he got rid of a couple of coaches, I guess. That could be true, could be false. I’m not there on a day-to-day basis to know, but I know this, everybody got a chance and what you do with that chance determines who you are.”

Izzo concluded by saying, “I’m betting on Mat Ishbia.”

Izzo did suggest to Ishbia to have Gregory visit the Suns as a consultant.

“What we all ask for is an opportunity,” Izzo said. “Well, he just went there a week, a month and then it turned into the next year where he really liked him.”

https://eu.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2025/06/06/tom-izzo-defends-jordan-ott-phoenix-suns-hire/84059198007/

[Calvin Klein]

Do you have any compliments to Ishbia from people that are not his best buds?