The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

drewsprocket · Post #1141 » by **drewsprocket** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:20 am

Laker's offer: 1 mediocre power forward and 1 probable mediocre power forward for a top 5 pg. I'll take Ersan and Knight Sign and trade

NapoleonII · Post #1142 » by **NapoleonII** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:21 am

No to the Lakers.

Bledsoe is much more a sure thing than Randle.

Post #1143 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:35 am

drewsprocket wrote:Laker's offer: 1 mediocre power forward and 1 probable mediocre power forward for a top 5 pg. I'll take Ersan and Knight Sign and trade

You think Bledsoe's a top 5 pg?

spanishninja · Post #1144 » by **spanishninja** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:38 am

bwgood77 wrote:
drewsprocket wrote:Laker's offer: 1 mediocre power forward and 1 probable mediocre power forward for a top 5 pg. I'll take Ersan and Knight Sign and trade

You think Bledsoe's a top 5 pg?

even if he isn't we'll shop him like one.

NoKneeBledsoe · Post #1145 » by **NoKneeBledsoe** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:38 am

bwgood77 wrote:
drewsprocket wrote:Laker's offer: 1 mediocre power forward and 1 probable mediocre power forward for a top 5 pg. I'll take Ersan and Knight Sign and trade

You think Bledsoe's a top 5 pg?

Top 5? Lol

He is #2 pg on Suns

I keep preaching this.

Bledsoe has been hurt 2 seasons out of 4.
Is not a typical PG and will never lead a team as a #1
He hasn't accomplished anything yet

Please someone Argue with me what he accomplished?

If you argue avg 17/5 whatever. I can cAre less. Tyreke Evans, OJ mayo are actually healthier than Bledsoe and had a better year than Bledsoe has ever had

YouTube · Post #1146 » by **Kerrsed** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:39 am

drewsprocket wrote:Laker's offer: 1 mediocre power forward and 1 probable mediocre power forward for a top 5 pg. I'll take Ersan and Knight Sign and trade

NoKneeBledsoe · Post #1147 » by **NoKneeBledsoe** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:39 am

spanishninja wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
drewsprocket wrote:Laker's offer: 1 mediocre power forward and 1 probable mediocre power forward for a top 5 pg. I'll take Ersan and Knight Sign and trade

You think Bledsoe's a top 5 pg?

even if he isn't we'll shop him like one.

So your sign and trade went from

Probable Mediocre and mediocre PF

To

Mediocre on a slump PF
Average SG (he is not a pg in my eyes)

Post #1148 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:42 am

spanishninja wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
drewsprocket wrote:Laker's offer: 1 mediocre power forward and 1 probable mediocre power forward for a top 5 pg. I'll take Ersan and Knight Sign and trade

You think Bledsoe's a top 5 pg?

even if he isn't we'll shop him like one.

How do you shop a pg who isn't top 5 as if he is? "I swear he is top 5. Believe me! Take him!"

:lol:

ruiner · Post #1149 » by **ruiner** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:44 am

Regardless, never deal with Lakers again.

ChaseUA · Post #1150 » by **ChaseUA** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:50 am

I would rather deal with Lakers than acquire Ilyasova and Knight.

spanishninja · Post #1151 » by **spanishninja** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:55 am

bwgood77 wrote:
spanishninja wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
You think Bledsoe's a top 5 pg?

even if he isn't we'll shop him like one.

How do you shop a pg who isn't top 5 as if he is? "I swear he is top 5. Believe me! Take him!"

well, here's what I've been hearing from the media about Bledsoe. "He's got tons of upside", "he's so young", "he's got more potential than Lowry". Well, with all this media BS going on to try to get the Suns to deal him, this will only help us.

drewsprocket · Post #1152 » by **drewsprocket** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:03 am

Ok fine I'll give you that he's top 10 but i'd rather have Bledsoe at this point than Rondo, Paul, Parker, Michael Carter, Curry, Deron Will, Irving, Knight, Rubio, Rose...who else you got? Ok I'll take Wall, Lillard, and maybe Westbrook over Bledsoe. But we all know that, if healthy, Bledsoe's defensive abilities combined with his offensive traits are as rare as they come.
Bled despite his injury and potential risk is still worth considerable money- perhaps not more than what the suns offered but its enough. Just because he's off base and asking for the max doesn't mean he's **** trash.

Not that he will, but if he does sign for the QO, and plays a full season - he's GONE with nothing in return.

Don't get me wrong, I'll take Wiggins for Bled straight up. But that's not gonna happen.

LukasBMW · Post #1153 » by **LukasBMW** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:13 am

I'd like clarification on one thing from those "in the know:"

Is Bledsoe completely set on being a "little diva bish" and pouting if he doesn't get his way?
Or
Is this just "tough negotiations" by his agent and Bledsoe will happily accept a 4/48 deal when the last teams run out of salary cap space?
Or
Do we not know yet if this is a "negotiation" or "diva bish" situation.

If Bledsoe comes into the season smiling with a 4/48 or matched max, then we keep him.

If Bledsoe comes into the season with an attitude, showcase him and ship his ass out before he can contaminate any of our young talent. One only needs to take a look at the Lakers and Indiana to see what a few bad attitudes can do to a talented team. Unless your name is Lebron or Melo, we don't need to put up with that hostage taking attitude. Durrant doesn't pull this crap. Neither does Duncan, Dirk, Nash, etc.

That said, I want to ship him to the east. Somewhere cold. F--k sending him to LA where he can show off, get media exposure, act like a diva, and possibly torture us 4-5 games a year. Even if the LA offer is better, I'd rather ship him to Minnesota, Milwaukee, Detroit, or some other miserable city where he can freeze his whiny bish ass off.

LukasBMW · Post #1154 » by **LukasBMW** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:13 am

Also, if he takes the qualifying offer, can we trade him this season?

I'd like clarification on that.

Cutter · Post #1155 » by **Cutter** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:22 am

drewsprocket wrote:Laker's offer: 1 mediocre power forward and 1 probable mediocre power forward for a top 5 pg. I'll take Ersan and Knight Sign and trade

How did you determine Bledsoe was a top 5 PG in the NBA? Just curious. He only started 40 games last year, and was a bench player for the 3 prior years.

Cutter · Post #1156 » by **Cutter** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:27 am

Cutter wrote:
drewsprocket wrote:Laker's offer: 1 mediocre power forward and 1 probable mediocre power forward for a top 5 pg. I'll take Ersan and Knight Sign and trade

How did you determine Bledsoe was a top 5 PG in the NBA? Just curious. He only started 40 games last year, and was a bench player for the 3 prior years.

Edit: Never mind Drew, I just saw your post above.

NoKneeBledsoe · Post #1157 » by **NoKneeBledsoe** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:29 am

Cutter wrote:
Cutter wrote:
drewsprocket wrote:Laker's offer: 1 mediocre power forward and 1 probable mediocre power forward for a top 5 pg. I'll take Ersan and Knight Sign and trade

How did you determine Bledsoe was a top 5 PG in the NBA? Just curious. He only started 40 games last year, and was a bench player for the 3 prior years.

Edit: Never mind Drew, I just saw your post above.

Was his post above serious?

Barkley6 · Post #1158 » by **Barkley6** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:34 am

Trade Idea:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=npghtcg

Suns Get:
Tristan Thompson
Kevin Martin
Gorgui Deng

Wolves Get:
Anthony Bennet
Dion Waiters
Andrew Wiggins
Alex Len
Brendan Haywood
Shavlik Randolph

Cavs Get:
Kevin Love
Gerald Green

Suns definitely get better. Martin for Green is a wash in my opinion, Martin is on a worse contract, but Gerald Green is a bargain for what he gave us and would probably command more than Martin is earning on the open market next year. Tristan Thompson provides some interior scoring and rebounding, much needed on this team, and Gorgui Deng is full of potential as a big man.

Wolves have an excellent young core to build from, with Rubio, Waiters, Wiggins, Bennet and Len as a potential starting 5. All are top-5 picks and the oldest of the group is 24. Can't get a better return than that for Love and Deng.

Cavs get their man in Love and add another shooter to the roster. starting 5 would be Kyrie, Green, LeBron, Love, Varejao, that's a pretty competitive team in the East.

I feel like everyone wins here. I know Suns fans aren't thrilled at the idea of giving up Len, but getting Deng back cushions that loss, and snagging Tristan Thompson in the process is pretty shrewd. Martin could likely be flipped near the deadline to a contender looking for reliable scoring.

Sunsdeuce · Post #1159 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:00 am

Barkley6 wrote:Trade Idea:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=npghtcg

Suns Get:
Tristan Thompson
Kevin Martin
Gorgui Deng

Wolves Get:
Anthony Bennet
Dion Waiters
Andrew Wiggins
Alex Len
Brendan Haywood
Shavlik Randolph

Cavs Get:
Kevin Love
Gerald Green

Suns definitely get better. Martin for Green is a wash in my opinion, Martin is on a worse contract, but Gerald Green is a bargain for what he gave us and would probably command more than Martin is earning on the open market next year. Tristan Thompson provides some interior scoring and rebounding, much needed on this team, and Gorgui Deng is full of potential as a big man.

Wolves have an excellent young core to build from, with Rubio, Waiters, Wiggins, Bennet and Len as a potential starting 5. All are top-5 picks and the oldest of the group is 24. Can't get a better return than that for Love and Deng.

Cavs get their man in Love and add another shooter to the roster. starting 5 would be Kyrie, Green, LeBron, Love, Varejao, that's a pretty competitive team in the East.

I feel like everyone wins here. I know Suns fans aren't thrilled at the idea of giving up Len, but getting Deng back cushions that loss, and snagging Tristan Thompson in the process is pretty shrewd. Martin could likely be flipped near the deadline to a contender looking for reliable scoring.

Simple answer to that. NO!

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Post #1160 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:05 am

drewsprocket wrote:Ok fine I'll give you that he's top 10 but i'd rather have Bledsoe at this point than Rondo, Paul, Parker, Michael Carter, Curry, Deron Will, Irving, Knight, Rubio, Rose...who else you got? Ok I'll take Wall, Lillard, and maybe Westbrook over Bledsoe. But we all know that, if healthy, Bledsoe's defensive abilities combined with his offensive traits are as rare as they come.
Bled despite his injury and potential risk is still worth considerable money- perhaps not more than what the suns offered but its enough. Just because he's off base and asking for the max doesn't mean he's **** trash.

Not that he will, but if he does sign for the QO, and plays a full season - he's GONE with nothing in return.

Don't get me wrong, I'll take Wiggins for Bled straight up. But that's not gonna happen.

I'd definitely take Curry, Paul, Parker (especially at his price) and probably MCW on a rookie contract...he's shown much more as a rookie than Bledsoe could have dreamed of. Rose if he was healthy, but probably not at this point. I'd definitely take Teague or Conley at half the price, and probably Lawson. These guys have proved themselves over years starting and are not injury prone. But if he is paid as much as he wants, or even close, Dragic rightfully so will demand at least as much, and he is also better.