Suns Offseason Thread 4: Where's Terrence Williams?

[RunDogGun]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/TonyWarrenJr/status/627533447079284736[/tweet]

So what's that for?

That he cares about the twins?

or, more likely, is not related in any way. not every nba player tweet is a cipher for us to decode

I know, I'm just playing along.

[gaspar]

No doubt the Suns are looking to move Kief

1) He and his brother are inseparable which implies to me that Kief was party to the twitter war
2) Twitter comments made by Marcus imply Kief is not going to be a Sun for long
3) Then Kief's recent tweet seems like he knows he is on his way out

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Keefmorris/status/626946088180715524[/tweet]

Gotta wonder what McD has up his sleeve.

Isn't that tweet before the whole Goodwin thing? Granted only a couple of hours. It sounds a bit vague.

If he has asked for a trade, and has been keeping quiet about it, then I could live with that. But then it does show that Marcus is the one who is immature and doesn't know when to shut his trap.

That tweet most likely is about the Drake vs Meek Mill beef.

[AtheJ415]

yup... sure thing... He is his own man ... this is all CusMo acting independently. Heck, I bet KeifMo doesn't know anything about this.... highly unlikely he agrees. I fact, there is nothing in their past that would indicate collaboration.

Exactly. Because brothers are close, they are responsible for each other's actions and never don't think alike. That makes much more sense. Just stellar, ironclad logic right there.

[AtheJ415]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/TonyWarrenJr/status/627533447079284736[/tweet]

So what's that for?

I think it's fairly obvious that this means that TJ is on Marcus's side. Accordingly, we should move him for beans along with Archie, Makieff, and anybody else on the Suns who has a twitter handle but didn't publicly disparage Marcus.

[franksredhot]

Pretty sure these tweets having nothing to do with Suns

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MookMorris2/status/626946702348451840[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Keefmorris/status/626946088180715524[/tweet]

Twins big fans of this rapper out of philly that just released this wack diss track towards drake
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Yyh2YpdXnA[/youtube]

[bwgood77]

If I was in the NBA and really bored I'd just tweet random things that had no relation to anything and then go read the realgm posters trying to decipher the meaningless tweet.

[bwgood77]

Pretty sure these tweets having nothing to do with Suns

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MookMorris2/status/626946702348451840[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Keefmorris/status/626946088180715524[/tweet]

Twins big fans of this rapper out of philly that just released this wack diss track towards drake
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Yyh2YpdXnA[/youtube]

Turrrible

[letsgosuns]

You guys need to stop reading random cryptic tweets from Suns players and trying to figure out what they mean. It has nothing to do with anything. Completely pointless. Marcus' tweets from yesterday where he specifically talked about the Suns and the team's fans is something else. T.J. Warren talking about pretending? That could mean anything. Who cares.

[kennydorglas]

If you can find at least a decent offer for Kieff, you pull the trigger.
We need to put an end on this history.

If Goodwin is another #FOE, he'll hit the road too.
I'm tired of all this talk and meaningless effort on court.

[sunsbum]

Wow, we need to get kieff off the suns asap. I thought maybe he could distance himself from this whole thing but its pretty obvious that the twins still share the same teet. If Marcus is still poisoning the well then keef is right next to him helping out. That's just how these guys are. It's going to be a big blow but we need to ship him, yesterday.

[Fo-Real]

Over reacting, i dont trust the Kief's brain or this situation any more than any of you and thimk we are going to eventually have to get rid of him. But Markief, Archie, and Tj have done not one thing wrong. It has been complete guilt by association for Archie and Tj, Kief i kind of understand but even he has not piblicly said a damn thing. Tj is part of our future, no doubt. Archie still has a lot of potentially talented people to fight for minutes, he controls his own destiny. Kief is going to be a wait and see situation. I will say eith his little sisters sandy vagina comments, he owes it to the team and fans to come out and state his intentions and let buisness take its course from there. I think our best play if Kief wants to go is Chi for a package that includes Taj, i would love to get our hands on Portis, but that aint gonna happen.

[Moochthemonkey]

You guys need to stop reading random cryptic tweets from Suns players and trying to figure out what they mean. It has nothing to do with anything. Completely pointless. Marcus' tweets from yesterday where he specifically talked about the Suns and the team's fans is something else. T.J. Warren talking about pretending? That could mean anything. Who cares.

Why not? You and 60% of this board have been speaking on the behalf of Markieff's silence this entire time...why can't others posters selectively speculate about the tweets of other Suns players?

[letsgosuns]

You guys need to stop reading random cryptic tweets from Suns players and trying to figure out what they mean. It has nothing to do with anything. Completely pointless. Marcus' tweets from yesterday where he specifically talked about the Suns and the team's fans is something else. T.J. Warren talking about pretending? That could mean anything. Who cares.

Why not? You and 60% of this board have been speaking on the behalf of Markieff's silence this entire time...why can't others posters selectively speculate about the tweets of other Suns players?

I am not saying they cannot. I am suggesting to not read too much into it and overreact and start to think things like Warren wants out or something. These are young kids on social media posting random stuff like lots of other kids do. And as far as my own speculation of Markieff, all I did was speculate that the Suns do not want to keep him and that he does not want to be here. My reasoning is based upon two things:

1) Sarver, McDonough, and Hornacek supposedly have not spoken to Markieff since trading his brother. It has been about a month. I imagine a front office that values a player and wants to keep him would call him immediately and/or have a meeting with him explaining their desire to keep him after they trade his brother. Has not happened. If a franchise wants to build around you, chances are they will contact you after they trade your twin brother and best friend.
2) Markieff has been silent. No word from him. No mention anywhere that he is excited to play with Chandler. Obviously he is angry/disappointed they traded Marcus. All we saw from him so far has been one tweet saying this is a foul game (I do not find that a big deal), and some pics of him with his brother and Rasheed Wallace. And in those pics his brother is wearing Pistons gear while Markieff is wearing a F.O.E. shirt. So I concluded he probably wants off the team. A realistic possibility.

The point I made today is when a player like Warren tweets "No need to pretend," why are people speculating it means something sinister towards the Suns? Like some people said maybe he is siding with Marcus. You really think a guy that wants to be a starter on the Suns is going to start sending out tweets anti-Suns? That makes no sense. Warren's tweet could mean one of a million things. No one has a clue. Like Goodwin's tweet meant nothing. He is a 20 year old kid speaking about wanting to play and he is ready to smash the door down and become a real rotation player. The only reason it became news is because of Marcus' response and ensuing tweets.

[tdjm]

You make it sound like the front office is choosing not to contact Markieff, when most of the available info points to them having attempted to contact him and him not responding to their overtures.

As for the Goodwin stuff, it's embarrassing that people are taking it any other way. He handled that with a serious degree of professionalism and basically defused the situation gracefully while saying all the right things and even letting Mook get out of the conversation without further making a fool of himself.

[bwgood77]

I don't think one person here thinks TJ Warren is siding with Marcus or are reading into his tweets. I'm pretty sure all mention of that were jokes.

[AtheJ415]

Steve Nash and Steve Kerr still have some friends in this organization. And they both are on twitter, and didn't disparage Marcus for his actions. I think we should ban Steve Nash from the ring of honor, and ban Kerr from the arena for the next decade. While we're at it, let's trade Bledsoe and his quiet demeanor, Booker and his short arms, and Len for Paul Pierce. Sure, he's old, but we'd establish a winning culture, loudly, and with longer arms.

[Stix]

Pretty sure these tweets having nothing to do with Suns

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MookMorris2/status/626946702348451840[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Keefmorris/status/626946088180715524[/tweet]

Twins big fans of this rapper out of philly that just released this wack diss track towards drake
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Yyh2YpdXnA[/youtube]

Awesome, trade Kieff to Toronto so he has to wear the Drake uniform.

Patterson for Kieff, gitterdun McD.

[Frank Lee]

Sorry AtheJ, I have made my assumption, just as you have. Mine is based on both his past and current behavior, but it is an observational assumption. I do not think it is a stretch to think he fully endorses and shares CusMo's spite.

Keif is a good player, and with him we are better, providing he can control his emotions. There is no denying he is the best PF on our current roster. Its a shame he cannot express his desire to be a Sun. I think that is what most here look at with frustration. Sure, he is under no obligation to do so, but if anyone in his position was practicing good PR, we would not be where we are now. It seems to me, No news from Keif is not good news.

There is little doubt the MoBros were on a semi hot seat due to their on court/ off court behavior. Further displayed by the jettisoning of CusMo. Do not forget the outline McDuh stated about the type of player(s) he is looking for. You and a few others clearly have a fondness for Keif, may be even a personal connection. But at this point, perhaps a change of scenery just may be the best thing for all parties involved.

Keep defending him, its no skin off me. But at least, even you could see the angry path taken by Keif has only lead to further disdain from the fan base. Its not like he was a most favored Sun to begin with. I will welcome him back with apprehension. As he is, until further notice, a Sun. But I rate it as less than a 50% chance he suits up for us again.... especially if he continues the cold shoulder.

Furthermore, the silence by the FO is equally telling. They are high roading this. It could very come down to Keif needing to mend a bridge and show them he wants to be here. Lets hope for the best, either way. And at this point, if Keif is here or there, it makes little difference to me. His exit only opens a door for others to succeed.

[AtheJ415]

Sorry AtheJ, I have made my assumption, just as you have. Mine is based on both his past and current behavior, but it is an observational assumption. I do not think it is a stretch to think he fully endorses and shares CusMo's spite.

Keif is a good player, and with him we are better, providing he can control his emotions. There is no denying he is the best PF on our current roster. Its a shame he cannot express his desire to be a Sun. I think that is what most here look at with frustration. Sure, he is under no obligation to do so, but if anyone in his position was practicing good PR, we would not be where we are now. It seems to me, No news from Keif is not good news.

There is little doubt the MoBros were on a semi hot seat due to their on court/ off court behavior. Further displayed by the jettisoning of CusMo. Do not forget the outline McDuh stated about the type of player(s) he is looking for. You and a few others clearly have a fondness for Keif, may be even a personal connection. But at this point, perhaps a change of scenery just may be the best thing for all parties involved.

Keep defending him, its no skin off me. But at least, even you could see the angry path taken by Keif has only lead to further disdain from the fan base. Its not like he was a most favored Sun to begin with. I will welcome him back with apprehension. As he is, until further notice, a Sun. But I rate it as less than a 50% chance he suits up for us again.... especially if he continues the cold shoulder.

Furthermore, the silence by the FO is equally telling. They are high roading this. It could very come down to Keif needing to mend a bridge and show them he wants to be here. Lets hope for the best, either way. And at this point, if Keif is here or there, it makes little difference to me. His exit only opens a door for others to succeed.

Yours is based on hogwash and more assumptions. I have no fondness or personal connection to Kief whatsoever. In fact, I don't think much of him at all, and hated it when we drafted him. What I have a fondness for is not trading our young players on fantastic contracts who perform damn well for absolute trash or players closer to being in wheel chairs than the age of our core. I also have a fondness for not reading one person's actions as endorsed by another's with no evidence whatsoever other than a close personal relationship. I hope McDonough's brother doesn't start tweeting that Sarver is a tool or I guess that means we have to get rid of him too, particularly if they are close.

I am defending Markieff here because he is doing exactly what I would do. What you all are expecting of Markieff is something that neither I, nor many reasonable people would do. If my employer fired my brother (which is essentially what Phoenix did to Marcus), I would try to keep myself out of it. I wouldn't go on twitter to publicly denounce my sibling, nor would I necessarily reach out to my employer. I'd literally be doing the exact things Markieff is right now, which is giving it time and acting like a professional by working on my game and staying off of social media. Him getting involved in anyway is a lose-lose situation--he either hurts his family or his relationship with his employer. And if you had any sibling as stupid as Marcus Morris and strongheaded as him, you couldn't talk him out of tweeting no matter how hard you tried, and no matter how close you are to him. Either way though, I wouldn't even consider it my business.

Also, the bolded is one of the stupidest things I've read here. Our FO has been silent ever since McDonough walked through the door. We're the silentest team in the entire freaking league.

[franksredhot]

Pretty sure these tweets having nothing to do with Suns

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MookMorris2/status/626946702348451840[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Keefmorris/status/626946088180715524[/tweet]

Twins big fans of this rapper out of philly that just released this wack diss track towards drake
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Yyh2YpdXnA[/youtube]

Awesome, trade Kieff to Toronto so he has to wear the Drake uniform.

Patterson for Kieff, gitterdun McD.

Lol! **** it lets do it we get another kentucky player