Trade Deadline Countdown Pre-Febuary Deadline

[RunDogGun]

Ray, I'm on pins and needles over here.

I really like the Portis idea, but will be exciting to see what happens, and the overreactions that will follow.

[lilfishi22]

Len, Morris, Tucker, Heat 2019 pick
For
Deng, Whiteside

With verbal commitment from Whiteside

I love it but why does the Heat do this?

[thamadkant]

Just stop. Same excuse over and over for 5 years. Has Bledsoe put up a winning season (bedside his first year when Goran carried the team) since he was coined the best player on the team? As for knight and Warren, correct me if my wrong but we were still **** before they were hurt. Weak just weak. And quoting Warren as a "key" piece that's even worse (and you want to be technical he is the 4th leading scorer at 11 while Morris is 11.6 (either way it's those numbers are laughable and not numbers to support your argument)).. Same stupid excuse 5 years running. And under the Bledsoe era...its 3 years running.

Bottom line is....you are what your record says you are!

Just stop. Same faulty logic over and over for 5 years. Has (Kevin Love, Anthony Davis, Demarcus Cousins) done (insert team-based statistic that completely ignores how good the individual is and how young or bad the teammates are) since he was coined the best player on the team? As for (insert player 2 or 3), correct me if I'm wrong (you are), but we were still **** before they were hurt (as a team, so again let's not factor in their youth or the youth of their teammates while ignoring that young teams don't win in this league, period). Weak, just weak. And quoting a 22 year old who is oneo f the most efficient scorers in the league at his age range is even worse (and if you want to be technical, let me quote a statistic that ignores the efficiency and is based on shots taken and minutes played primarily). Either way it's my inability to put volume statistics in context that is laughable and makes my argument ridiculous. Same stupid logic by me for 5 years running. Under the Bledsoe era...it's 3 years running.

Bottom line is...you are what your record says you are, because rebuilding doesn't exist and age doesn't matter in the NBA. That's why the Thunder were stupid for not breaking it up 7 years ago, and why Minnesota needs to trade Karl Anthony Towns and Andrew Wiggins for Pau Gasol and Nick Batum immediately. What morons they are.

/\ perfect exactly why Sarver is smiling and will continue because people like you accept losing.

This team is going to pass the Decade mark of losing and you will post the same weak excuse over and over. "It takes time to rebuild."

I'm going to bring up Keim and BA (and don't say it's a different sport BS). Everyone asked them how long it would take to rebuild the Cardinals. BAs answer...I ain't got time to rebuilding, we are going to win now!! I've seen the Cards with Bad Management (Rob Graves) and they were where the Suns are now. I've seen what good management (Keim) and now the Cards are the crown Jewel of AZ. Don't tell me good management doesn't make a difference.

I dont understand why you are so adamant in stating the suns are terrible with poster here who are aware the team is terrible.

Some of us are not just blindly
defending... But putting context to the situation.


If you must simply burst out your feelings about the suns then doing it here is fruitless... You should write to the media, the front office and get your frustrations out there in the public where it the FO may actually read it. No one here can make decisions about the team... We are just putting context to what has happened and what can the FO do in the future to fix it.... No point crying over spilt milk here...

No point whining over and over and debating about how bad the FO has done results wise.... No one here impacts the decision makers in the FO... And they are likely to be aware of the issues anyways and are doing their best to mitigate the situation. It takes 2 to tango in the NBA... Suns FO could be doing their very best to improve the team but there are plenty of frugal GMs these days.... Its not like 5 years ago where hot headed GMs get ripped off easily... Team executives hire analytical and frugal GMs... Its not easy. McD's moves are nice considering the competition and market out there.

[AtheJ415]

Len, Morris, Tucker, Heat 2019 pick
For
Deng, Whiteside

With verbal commitment from Whiteside

Len is a no go to me. Whiteside has 0 bird rights. Accordingly, he has almost no trade value. Trading any of our young guys for him is overpay imo. Due to the no bird rights aspect, we have no incentive to give up much for him because we literally could and have to, sign him in FA with only cap space.

[MrMiyagi]

Just stop. Same faulty logic over and over for 5 years. Has (Kevin Love, Anthony Davis, Demarcus Cousins) done (insert team-based statistic that completely ignores how good the individual is and how young or bad the teammates are) since he was coined the best player on the team? As for (insert player 2 or 3), correct me if I'm wrong (you are), but we were still **** before they were hurt (as a team, so again let's not factor in their youth or the youth of their teammates while ignoring that young teams don't win in this league, period). Weak, just weak. And quoting a 22 year old who is oneo f the most efficient scorers in the league at his age range is even worse (and if you want to be technical, let me quote a statistic that ignores the efficiency and is based on shots taken and minutes played primarily). Either way it's my inability to put volume statistics in context that is laughable and makes my argument ridiculous. Same stupid logic by me for 5 years running. Under the Bledsoe era...it's 3 years running.

Bottom line is...you are what your record says you are, because rebuilding doesn't exist and age doesn't matter in the NBA. That's why the Thunder were stupid for not breaking it up 7 years ago, and why Minnesota needs to trade Karl Anthony Towns and Andrew Wiggins for Pau Gasol and Nick Batum immediately. What morons they are.

/\ perfect exactly why Sarver is smiling and will continue because people like you accept losing.

This team is going to pass the Decade mark of losing and you will post the same weak excuse over and over. "It takes time to rebuild."

I'm going to bring up Keim and BA (and don't say it's a different sport BS). Everyone asked them how long it would take to rebuild the Cardinals. BAs answer...I ain't got time to rebuilding, we are going to win now!! I've seen the Cards with Bad Management (Rob Graves) and they were where the Suns are now. I've seen what good management (Keim) and now the Cards are the crown Jewel of AZ. Don't tell me good management doesn't make a difference.

I dont understand why you are so adamant in stating the suns are terrible with poster here who are aware the team is terrible.

Some of us are not just blindly
defending... But putting context to the situation.


If you must simply burst out your feelings about the suns then doing it here is fruitless... You should write to the media, the front office and get your frustrations out there in the public where it the FO may actually read it. No one here can make decisions about the team... We are just putting context to what has happened and what can the FO do in the future to fix it.... No point crying over spilt milk here...

No point whining over and over and debating about how bad the FO has done results wise.... No one here impacts the decision makers in the FO... And they are likely to be aware of the issues anyways and are doing their best to mitigate the situation. It takes 2 to tango in the NBA... Suns FO could be doing their very best to improve the team but there are plenty of frugal GMs these days.... Its not like 5 years ago where hot headed GMs get ripped off easily... Team executives hire analytical and frugal GMs... Its not easy. McD's moves are nice considering the competition and market out there.

BUT IN 2K I TRADED MARKIEFF AND LEN FOR BOOGIE COUSINS AND A FIRST ROUND PICK, McD NEEDS TO DO A BETTER JOB OF NEGOTIATING.

[AtheJ415]

Len, Morris, Tucker, Heat 2019 pick
For
Deng, Whiteside

With verbal commitment from Whiteside

I love it but why does the Heat do this?

I actually hate this for us. Whiteside has no bird rights, so any team signing him must do so with cap space (meaning they need like $30 mil in cap space). Giving up assets to pay someone fair value is risky, and Whiteside is not on the rookie scale like normal guys his age, so he's eligible for a higher max. I don't mind trading any of the vets, but Len and a pick is too much imo for a guy we could simply sign and who could walk anyways.

Miami has had rumors all year that they will not re-sign him. They don't view him as a heat type of player, and don't like how he goes about his business and generally operates. Also, they probably will not have the cap space to sign him depending on what Wade does. Again, the bird rights aspect is a big deal here. I do believe they move him, but I hope if it's to Phoenix we don't include Len.

[jredsaz]

I haven't been here in a while... But from what I can gather...

Suns are indeed in serious trade talks with an eastern conference team..

Keif and a couple other pieces for a young player.. Not sure who or what yet. Once I do, I'll let you know

PHX gets: Harris, Watson, 2018 1st (LAL)
ORL gets: Knight, Morris, Leuer

But most likely someone we won't expect.

[saintEscaton]

I haven't been here in a while... But from what I can gather...

Suns are indeed in serious trade talks with an eastern conference team..

Keif and a couple other pieces for a young player.. Not sure who or what yet. Once I do, I'll let you know

PHX gets: Harris, Watson, 2018 1st (LAL)
ORL gets: Knight, Morris, Leuer

But most likely someone we won't expect.

We'd be lucky just to poach just Harris with that package, Orlando wouldn't give up a Top 5 protected pick. Although it becomes two second rounders if the Lakers keep both their Top 3 protected 2016 AND 2017 picks from being conveyed to Philly via us.

[Sunsdeuce]

WE ARE MISSING OUR 3 TOP SCORERS. That is all.

Just stop. Same excuse over and over for 5 years. Has Bledsoe put up a winning season (bedside his first year when Goran carried the team) since he was coined the best player on the team? As for knight and Warren, correct me if my wrong but we were still **** before they were hurt. Weak just weak. And quoting Warren as a "key" piece that's even worse (and you want to be technical he is the 4th leading scorer at 11 while Morris is 11.6 (either way those numbers are laughable and not numbers to support your argument)).. Same stupid excuse 5 years running. And under the Bledsoe era...its 3 years running.

Good teams don't make excuses...bad teams have a bag full of them.

Bottom line is....you are what your record says you are!

It's cool if you guys want to go back and forth but I dunno if this is the right thread for it.
I might be the only one but I haven't been reading them which means they aren't related to trade ideas.

Your right. I'm stopping. Let's talk trades.

[TeamTragic]

Len, Morris, Tucker, Heat 2019 pick
For
Deng, Whiteside

With verbal commitment from Whiteside

I love it but why does the Heat do this?

They wanted Dragic. We gave them Dragic. Now Riley owes the SUNS a solid

[Sunsdeuce]

Len, Morris, Tucker, Heat 2019 pick
For
Deng, Whiteside

With verbal commitment from Whiteside

I love it but why does the Heat do this?

They wanted Dragic. We gave them Dragic. Now Riley owes the SUNS a solid

Kinda on the fence on Whiteside. Is he really a game changer (or even a force/factor)? If he was so good why would Miami be willing to trade him in the first place? I dunno.

[Saberestar]

Tobias Harris for Markieff and Tucker? It seems to me a fair trade for both teams.

[blacksun]

Len, Morris, Tucker, Heat 2019 pick
For
Deng, Whiteside

With verbal commitment from Whiteside

Len is a no go to me. Whiteside has 0 bird rights. Accordingly, he has almost no trade value. Trading any of our young guys for him is overpay imo. Due to the no bird rights aspect, we have no incentive to give up much for him because we literally could and have to, sign him in FA with only cap space.

Yup. This is terrible. We trade away Len and the 2019 pick for the right to pay an old SF 10M per and the right for Whiteside to walk out on us. Cmon. Plus Whiteside is a dbag.

[TeamTragic]

Len, Morris, Tucker, Heat 2019 pick
For
Deng, Whiteside

With verbal commitment from Whiteside

Len is a no go to me. Whiteside has 0 bird rights. Accordingly, he has almost no trade value. Trading any of our young guys for him is overpay imo. Due to the no bird rights aspect, we have no incentive to give up much for him because we literally could and have to, sign him in FA with only cap space.

Yup. This is terrible. We trade away Len and the 2019 pick for the right to pay an old SF 10M per and the right for Whiteside to walk out on us. Cmon. Plus Whiteside is a dbag.

Can we replace Len? They can have Chandler. Who else would we need to take back? We obviously wouldn't do this without a guarantee that he would sign a new contract.

[ray ray]

Okay.. From what I've been hearing. The Phx Suns FO where targeting Aaron Gordon before the show he put on last night. However, after last night his value got higher and might not happen.

One thing is clear, the Suns are starting the youth movement. Everyone is available with the exception of Booker, Len and Warren. They won't be able to trade either Knight or Bledsoe but once the summer approaches us, expects at least one of them to be traded.

I'm still trying to get the information on who the Suns are talking and who they are targeting.

[TeamTragic]

Okay.. From what I've been hearing. The Phx Suns FO where targeting Aaron Gordon before the show he put on last night. However, after last night his value got higher and might not happen.

One thing is clear, the Suns are starting the youth movement. Everyone is available with the exception of Booker, Len and Warren. They won't be able to trade either Knight or Bledsoe but once the summer approaches us, expects at least one of them to be traded.

I'm still trying to get the information on who the Suns are talking and who they are targeting.

Gordon increased his value after that dunk contest performance? I'm sorry but I have finally seen it all

[lilfishi22]

I haven't been here in a while... But from what I can gather...

Suns are indeed in serious trade talks with an eastern conference team..

Keif and a couple other pieces for a young player.. Not sure who or what yet. Once I do, I'll let you know

Okay.. From what I've been hearing. The Phx Suns FO where targeting Aaron Gordon before the show he put on last night. However, after last night his value got higher and might not happen.

One thing is clear, the Suns are starting the youth movement. Everyone is available with the exception of Booker, Len and Warren. They won't be able to trade either Knight or Bledsoe but once the summer approaches us, expects at least one of them to be traded.

I'm still trying to get the information on who the Suns are talking and who they are targeting.

Cheers ray ray

Always good to see which direction we're looking to go into, even if there are no specifics.

[lilfishi22]

Okay.. From what I've been hearing. The Phx Suns FO where targeting Aaron Gordon before the show he put on last night. However, after last night his value got higher and might not happen.

One thing is clear, the Suns are starting the youth movement. Everyone is available with the exception of Booker, Len and Warren. They won't be able to trade either Knight or Bledsoe but once the summer approaches us, expects at least one of them to be traded.

I'm still trying to get the information on who the Suns are talking and who they are targeting.

Gordon increased his value after that dunk contest performance? I'm sorry but I have finally seen it all

It does seem trivial but that performance has probably gotten him more attention and that means he's now on the radar of teams who probably haven't even seen him play. Does that mean he's increased his on-court value? Likely not but more attention means likely more demand and as you know, more demand means potentially a higher market price. And as you know, young players who are also hyper athletic usually are usually more highly valued and Gordon just showcased that athleticism last night.

[lilfishi22]

Len, Morris, Tucker, Heat 2019 pick
For
Deng, Whiteside

With verbal commitment from Whiteside

I love it but why does the Heat do this?

I actually hate this for us. Whiteside has no bird rights, so any team signing him must do so with cap space (meaning they need like $30 mil in cap space). Giving up assets to pay someone fair value is risky, and Whiteside is not on the rookie scale like normal guys his age, so he's eligible for a higher max. I don't mind trading any of the vets, but Len and a pick is too much imo for a guy we could simply sign and who could walk anyways.

Miami has had rumors all year that they will not re-sign him. They don't view him as a heat type of player, and don't like how he goes about his business and generally operates. Also, they probably will not have the cap space to sign him depending on what Wade does. Again, the bird rights aspect is a big deal here. I do believe they move him, but I hope if it's to Phoenix we don't include Len.

Maybe I've cooled on Len but if you think it's too much then take away the pick or add protection on it. But you may be right re. bird rights. Since he doesn't come with bird rights, we may have to move or salary dump one of our higher paid players to make space to resign Whiteside.

[saintEscaton]

We are probably setting our sights upon someone more attainable, nothing crazy out of left field. Also I don't see why the Magic would want to move Gordon now unless they are comitting to keeping Harris