2016 Draft Thread Part 4

[OGBAH]

I hope Chriss proves me wrong if we draft him

I just can't Chriss right now

Bleacher report lol says Dunn is a lock as the 3rd pick

[Cactus Jack]

I'm watching the ESPN Pre-Draft Show because I'm bored, and Jalen Rose said he thinks that Marquese Chriss will be better than Brandon Ingram lol

[bwgood77]

Kaiser's big board:

http://www.deepishthoughts.com/kaisers-draft-notes-big-board/

He sure doesn't like Hield.

[JMac1]

saw an interesting idea on twitter....what about trading #4 for MKG?

only 22, elite defender, improving offensive game, great fit next to Booker

I like him more than I like Chriss/Dunn/Murray/Brown/Hield

I like Bender more but I still think Ainge will snatch him up[/quote

No Murray or Dunn because they are 22 and yes to MKG who is 22, but has been in the league for 3 years being coached up NBA style? No thanks.

are you saying that MKG's age/experience is a weakness? I don't get it...that's exactly why I want him.

he's had three more years of seasoning and NBA experience; by the time Dunn is at the end of his rookie deal, he'll be almost 26.

Getting an NBA vet at 22 is much different than a rookie who will be 23 before the end of his first year

I am saying why not draft Dunn or Hield if you are ok with MKG who IMO hasn't grown at all. Still the same player when he came into the league. MKG is terrible for today's game. A wing that can't shoot. Why not take a flier on Brown? at least he is 19.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Accomodate everybody,

A 3 way trade with Boston, Philly, And Phoenix.

Phoenix trades Knight, miami 2019 first and tucker to philly .

Philly sends Boston: Okafor Or Noel to boston, Boston sends #3 to philly.

Phoenix then recieves from boston:

Brooklyns' 2017 Unconditional first.

Why for philly: They instantly rebuild with the simmons, the #3 pick (dunn) and at shooting guard in knight.

Why for Boston: Boston wants to contend in the playoffs real bad, So getting okafor or noel helps their cause immensely. It also helps improve any trade package they could build later for butler by acquiring okafor.

Why for Phoenix: Clears space for warrens' development by moving tucker. Also moves knight for a better prospect to play alongside bledsoe Or Booker.

And Most importantly, Gives us a really high lottery pick in next years very loaded draft. And finally allows us to further this next trade shortly after.

Phoenix trades with the kings:

Kings- get Tyson Chandler, Archie Goodwin, and #28.

Phoenix- gets Willey Cauley Stein, ben mclemore and #8.

Sac-town gets a veteran defensive presence in chandler to help their frontcourt get into the playoffs.

As well as archie goodwin to give them a similiar player to what they lost in t-evans ( playing style).

Phoenix gets an awesome, defensively versatile big man(wcs) to put beside len.

Also phoenix gets a good backcourt prospect in ben mclemore for the 2nd unit.

Phoenix takes Murray or hield at #4.

And then Chriss, Or Skal or Ellenson at #8.

Taking murray or hield allows us to potentially move bledsoe (if necessary) at the trade deadline. Then Either murray can take over at the point after, as he's got great poise, leadership, And is very clutch.

And If we go with hield, We still have two phenomenal shooters to draw defenses out of the paint, and very likely high lotto pick (brooklyn) in 2017.


That draft is absolutely loaded with immense point guard talent. Just envision How dynamic, and talented our roster would be with those additions.....

[bwgood77]

With the Utah/Atlanta pick swap, DX has Sabonis going to ATL @12. Luwawu to Suns.

I called that one in one of these threads.

[rsavaj]

are you saying that MKG's age/experience is a weakness? I don't get it...that's exactly why I want him.

he's had three more years of seasoning and NBA experience; by the time Dunn is at the end of his rookie deal, he'll be almost 26.

Getting an NBA vet at 22 is much different than a rookie who will be 23 before the end of his first year

I am saying why not draft Dunn or Hield if you are ok with MKG who IMO hasn't grown at all. Still the same player when he came into the league. MKG is terrible for today's game. A wing that can't shoot. Why not take a flier on Brown? at least he is 19.

actually it seems as though he has progressed fairly well; he flashed an improved J before he got injured. two good pieces detailing his growth:

http://www.atthehive.com/2016/2/16/10978276/Michael-kidd-gilchrist-promising-suddenly-halted-return
http://www.atthehive.com/2016/5/9/11635024/michael-kidd-gilchrist-showed-flashes-of-progress-when-healthy

[rsavaj]

Kaiser's big board:

http://www.deepishthoughts.com/kaisers-draft-notes-big-board/

He sure doesn't like Hield.

or Chriss, or at least not to the extent of guys like Givony/Ford/Schmitz

[bwgood77]

saw an interesting idea on twitter....what about trading #4 for MKG?

only 22, elite defender, improving offensive game, great fit next to Booker

I like him more than I like Chriss/Dunn/Murray/Brown/Hield

I like Bender more but I still think Ainge will snatch him up[/quote

No Murray or Dunn because they are 22 and yes to MKG who is 22, but has been in the league for 3 years being coached up NBA style? No thanks.

are you saying that MKG's age/experience is a weakness? I don't get it...that's exactly why I want him.

he's had three more years of seasoning and NBA experience; by the time Dunn is at the end of his rookie deal, he'll be almost 26.

Getting an NBA vet at 22 is much different than a rookie who will be 23 before the end of his first year

Yeah, I didn't understand that one either. Assuming he meant Hield and not Murray though.

[OGBAH]

Holy S just watched some tape on Kay Felder. Let him have Ronnie's job

[JMac1]

I'm watching the ESPN Pre-Draft Show because I'm bored, and Jalen Rose said he thinks that Marquese Chriss will be better than Brandon Ingram lol

Why is that crazy? Dude knows basketball just as well as anyone. There is so much group think with Simmons and Ingram, like they have Shaq potential and every else is garbage. Don't believe Ingram and Simmons is so much better than the rest. Can't wait to draft redo 2016 in 3-4 years.

[AtheJ415]

Woah!!!

Report: Suns have interest in drafting Kris Dunn, put Eric Bledsoe on trade block

It looks like Eric Bledsoe's tenure as a member of the Phoenix Suns is setting below the horizon. According to the Sporting News' Sean Deveney, the Suns would like to draft Providence's Kris Dunn with the No. 4 overall pick in Thursday's NBA Draft and have begun shopping Bledsoe:

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-suns-have-interest-in-drafting-kris-dunn-put-eric-bledsoe-on-trade-block/

Smokescreen!???

If we're going BPA, Dunn may be that guy, but I feel like it's more likely that we're trying to trade with Philly and this is to up the trade demand.

[bwgood77]

I think Bender has the higher ceiling. He's got the height and length, coupled with his IQ and good fundamentals. However I think Chriss has more chance of reaching his high ceiling. His lack of experience and low basketball IQ is what will hold him back from reaching great heights in my view.

I also wasn't a fan of the Len signing but the guy I wanted has been even more of a disappointment (McLemore) so I guess McD did better than me in that draft

What makes you think Chriss has a better chance of reaching the high ceiling? I think with the lower bbiq and more of a questionable work ethic I wouldn't say that.

Chriss's lower bbiq and apparent questionable work ethic (first time I've read about that) should only lower his ceiling. I think there's more question marks around Bender because not only does he have to adjust to a completely different, star-focused NBA game, he'll also have to mature into his 7 foot frame and keep up with the 82 game schedule. Chriss, OTOH, should be better adjusted and played a more similar game in college coming into the NBA. Just in comparison, I just think there Bender will have a steeper learning curve.

Just to be clear, I'm completely OK with a Bender pick now. I just think he has some intangibles which are harder to acquire or develop (length and IQ) than athletic gifts (Chriss's athleticism).

I seriously doubt that. He has been playing basketball with all sorts of players and leagues since he was like 12 and has a very high bbiq already. I think he can probably learn more quickly. The main thing though is that Chriss has a lot more to learn based on his current level of basketball ability. I'll take either at this point though.

It's weird that you hear nothing about Bender though. Makes me wonder if that means the Celtics and us want him or that we have no interest.

[bwgood77]

I love MKG's d but man his shot is broken and I'm not sure it's fixable. I'd rather take a gamble on a guy at 13 than trade it for him. Now if the deal was something like Tucker and 28 then sure bring him in and see if he can be molded into at least a passable offensive player.

I doubt that will do it. Charlotte fans love MKG. On the trade forum someone proposed Noel for MKG and it was the Charlotte fans that were adamantly against it. Philly fans were too, but not to the extent Charlotte ones were.

[JMac1]

are you saying that MKG's age/experience is a weakness? I don't get it...that's exactly why I want him.

he's had three more years of seasoning and NBA experience; by the time Dunn is at the end of his rookie deal, he'll be almost 26.

Getting an NBA vet at 22 is much different than a rookie who will be 23 before the end of his first year

I am saying why not draft Dunn or Hield if you are ok with MKG who IMO hasn't grown at all. Still the same player when he came into the league. MKG is terrible for today's game. A wing that can't shoot. Why not take a flier on Brown? at least he is 19.

actually it seems as though he has progressed fairly well; he flashed an improved J before he got injured. two good pieces detailing his growth:

http://www.atthehive.com/2016/2/16/10978276/Michael-kidd-gilchrist-promising-suddenly-halted-return
http://www.atthehive.com/2016/5/9/11635024/michael-kidd-gilchrist-showed-flashes-of-progress-when-healthy

His FT and 3pt shooting is terrible

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kiddgmi01.html

[Cactus Jack]

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[bwgood77]

Holy S just watched some tape on Kay Felder. Let him have Ronnie's job

Oh yeah, a lot of people love him. As good as Ulis' a/to rate was, his was better. They were both solid defenders despite size, but Ulis is skinny and will likely get pushed around in the league. Felder is like a rock.

[AtheJ415]

Holy S just watched some tape on Kay Felder. Let him have Ronnie's job

Yeah. He was awesome in college. Mighty Mouse. But unfortunately he's not good enough to be taken at one of our picks imo. I'd love to get him if I had a mid 2nd rounder or late 2nd rounder.

[rsavaj]

I am saying why not draft Dunn or Hield if you are ok with MKG who IMO hasn't grown at all. Still the same player when he came into the league. MKG is terrible for today's game. A wing that can't shoot. Why not take a flier on Brown? at least he is 19.

actually it seems as though he has progressed fairly well; he flashed an improved J before he got injured. two good pieces detailing his growth:

http://www.atthehive.com/2016/2/16/10978276/Michael-kidd-gilchrist-promising-suddenly-halted-return
http://www.atthehive.com/2016/5/9/11635024/michael-kidd-gilchrist-showed-flashes-of-progress-when-healthy

His FT and 3pt shooting is terrible

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kiddgmi01.html

I agree, but if you look at his shot charts, he's actually getting better. The Hornets SBNation bloggers who have watched him through his career wrote that he's on an upward trajectory, and they value him as a potential star.

[bwgood77]

I'm watching the ESPN Pre-Draft Show because I'm bored, and Jalen Rose said he thinks that Marquese Chriss will be better than Brandon Ingram lol

Why is that crazy? Dude knows basketball just as well as anyone. There is so much group think with Simmons and Ingram, like they have Shaq potential and every else is garbage. Don't believe Ingram and Simmons is so much better than the rest. Can't wait to draft redo 2016 in 3-4 years.

Yeah, I was thinking the same. A lot of scouts (at least according to Ford) seem to have that opinion of Chriss...that he could be in tier 2.