College basketball and 2017 draft - One more poll after last game

[Christine-In-AZ]

Some mocks from around a year ago and drafted position shifts
Blue = good calls <> Red = not so good

Jonathan Wasserman Bleacher Report March 4th 2016
1. Ben Simmons =
2. Brandon Ingram =
3. Dragan Bender -1
4. Jakob Poeltl -5
5. Jamal Murray -2
6. Jaylen Brown +3
7. Buddy Hield -1
8. Ivan Rabb N/A
9. Kris Dunn +4
10. Wade Baldwin -7
11. Timothe Luwawu -13
12. Taurean Prince =
13. Henry Ellenson -5
14. Denzel Valentine =
15. Deyonta Davis -16
16. Stephen Zimmerman -25
17. Malik Beasley -2
18. Furkan Korkmaz -8
19. Juan Hernangomez +4
20. Damian Jones -10


Chad Ford February 29th 2016
1. Ben Simmons =
2. Brandon Ingram =
3. Dragan Bender -1
4. Jamal Murray -3
5. Henry Ellenson -13
6. Jaylen Brown +3
7. Buddy Hield +1
8. Kris Dunn +3
9. Jakob Poeltl =
10. Furkan Korkmaz -16
11. Marquese Chriss +3
12. Deyonta Davis -19
13. Diamond Stone -27
14. Ivan Rabb N/A
15. Denzel Valentine +1
17. Timothe Luwawu -7
18. Wade Baldwin +1
19. Caris LeVert -1
20. Demetrius Jackson -25


DraftExpress March 10th 2016
1. Ben Simmons =
2. Brandon Ingram =
3. Jaylen Brown =
4. Dragan Bender =
5. Kris Dunn =
6. Jakob Poeltl -3
7. Jamal Murray =
8. Henry Ellenson -10
9. Buddy Hield +3
10. Skal Labissiere -18
11. Demetrius Jackson -34
12. Timothe Luwawu -12
13. Deyonta Davis -18
14. Damian Jones -16
15. Ivan Rabb N/A
16. Diamond Stone -24
17. Wade Baldwin =
18. Furkan Korkmaz -8
19. Denzel Valentine +5
20. Melo Trimble (undrafted)

Eventual Top 15 Picks Unlisted in these Mocks- #10 Thon Maker, #11 Domantis Sabonis, #13 Georgios Papagiannis

[Duke4life831]

What's everybody's thoughts on Kennard?
Don't know how we could get him(Mocks in the 20's)...using a top 5 pick on him might be a stretch. I don't know if there's a better shooter in this draft.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2696575-the-real-luke-kennard-how-dukes-star-found-his-swag-in-time-for-march-madness

Top 5 is more than just a stretch. I really like Luke, I think his shooting is truly elite and his IQ is great. But he is probably the worst defender in the draft and is limited because of his athleticism. But I think he can be a starter in the league, I wouldnt use a lotto on him but I think 15th is a stretch but it could be a solid pick. Should go around 20 though.

[ATTL]

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Showed a nice handle, jumper, post game, drive, dish

If Giles falls to the second round I'd take a chance on him with one of our seconds.

[OGBAH]

Is Tatum better then Warren

[bwgood77]

Is Tatum better then Warren

No. As a freshman in college, yes, though Warren was a much more efficient scorer. Tatum better as freshman defensively and at rebounding, steals, assists, etc.

TJ stayed a sophomore though and was an elite scorer and won ACC player of the year in the best conference, beating out Jabari Parker.

Tatum as a rookie wouldn't be nearly as good as TJ though. Long term, he would likely be a better all around player, but TJ in all likelihood the better scorer.

Here are their college #s.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tj-warren-1.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jayson-tatum-1.html

[MrMiyagi]

Would take him right now since Rawle plays no D whatsoever.

Are we watching the same Rawle Alkins?

[jcsunsfan]

Is Tatum better then Warren

No. As a freshman in college, yes, though Warren was a much more efficient scorer. Tatum better as freshman defensively and at rebounding, steals, assists, etc.

TJ stayed a sophomore though and was an elite scorer and won ACC player of the year in the best conference, beating out Jabari Parker.

Tatum as a rookie wouldn't be nearly as good as TJ though. Long term, he would likely be a better all around player, but TJ in all likelihood the better scorer.

Here are their college #s.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tj-warren-1.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jayson-tatum-1.html

This is an excellent question and answer.

[kennydorglas]

Yep, Markelle Fultz is ridiculous

[darealjuice]

Yep, Markelle Fultz is ridiculous

Yeah his offensive game is very polished for someone who turns 19 a month before the draft. He gets buckets and makes it look easy.

[kennydorglas]

Only thing to worry about Fultz is... he lost every single game as an underdog in the college.
That's quite a feat

DSJr at least won 3 games (one of them against Duke and a blowout against VA Tech)

[bwgood77]

Yep, Markelle Fultz is ridiculous

Spoiler:

What's the difference between those two? The first one just earlier in the year?

[bwgood77]

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[ATTL]

Yep, Markelle Fultz is ridiculous

Spoiler:

What's the difference between those two? The first one just earlier in the year?

Point guard vs shooting guard role

[bwgood77]

Yep, Markelle Fultz is ridiculous

Spoiler:

What's the difference between those two? The first one just earlier in the year?

Point guard vs shooting guard role

I shouldn't have missed that. So he basically can really do both but is actually better as a SG, even his ast % goes up. But a backcourt with Booker would still work as both are good passers, but he could play with Ulis, Bledsoe, whoever.

[jcsunsfan]

I think Ball will be a better NBA player than Fultz. But Fultz's numbers are amazing. Fultz, Ball, Jackson. It would be nice to get one of those three.

[darealjuice]

Malik Monk had his 2nd really bad game in a row today. 2 pts, 2 rebs, 1 ast, 1 stl, 2 tos on 1/7 from the field and 0/2 from FT against Georgia. Definitely not how he wants to be closing out the regular season.

Excited for Duke vs UNC, ND vs FSU, and UCLA vs Ehrizona today, all should be good games with good prospects.

[kennydorglas]

Yep, Markelle Fultz is ridiculous

Spoiler:

What's the difference between those two? The first one just earlier in the year?

Point guard vs shooting guard role

Yep, but it's just his raw data compared with PG's and SG's drafted since 2011.
I dont think we can sort his production in different positions right now in college. Very limited data.

[bwgood77]

Many of the top prospects on espn tonight...first Duke vs NC, then ND vs Florida St, then UCLA vs AZ, so you got Tatum, Isaac, Ball and Markkanen.

[Kerrsed]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2697000-meet-texas-ams-robert-williams-nba-lottery-sleeper-pick-with-a-75-wingspan

If those measurements hold true, he can play center in the NBA, especially if his standing reach is good too.

If guys like Diaw and Green can play C in the NBA, i dont see why Williams cant either.

But then, with that being said, maybe its just me, but in my head, it seems like C's being drafted have the highest bust rate. Now im not saying that Williams will be a bust, but just seems like when all is said and done, C's usually get drafted (and pretty high), and end up being end-of-the-bench rotation guys.

But like i said, maybe its just me.

To me, Williams has an intriguing skillset, but is also highly lacking in some facets. His post game is really nowhere to be seen, he is still really really raw, and i think he is one of those guys that might end up blossoming 4-5 years down the line. Im also scared of draft prospects that kind of emerge from out of nowhere. He wasnt even a top 50 recruit, yet after 30 games is being considered a early to mid lotto pick in a stacked draft? That kind of scares me a bit. I think more than anything Williams is being looked at damn near strictly for his potential, which makes him a high risk/ high reward draft choice. The kid is a superb defender first and foremost. he has great size (at least his arms) and is also a great rebounder as well. All things that i look for in a C. But for some reason i get a very Biyombo vibe from him, which could be good and bad.

[OGBAH]

I got this Kentucky felling we'll draft Monk
We're 2-3 deep at all positions with youngins except SG. As far as small bench back court someone said... he's the same size as LB and probably out weighs him.
Hope I'm wrong about my feels