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Post#1141 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Jul 6, 2017 4:07 pm

Frank Lee wrote:likely right about Noel being pricey. Len could be a bargain... yet is there that much difference?

Dallas had been remarkably restrained.


I think there was a common misconception that Dallas was going to be in win now mode. That's why I never bought the Bledsoe for the 8th pick stuff that was thrown around. I think for the first time really ever Cuban is doing a mini rebuild.
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Post#1142 » by bwoolf2 » Thu Jul 6, 2017 4:11 pm

“I don’t have the five positions anymore,” Brad Stevens said. “It may be as simple as three positions now, where you’re either a ball-handler, a wing or a big.

“It’s really important. We’ve become more versatile as the years have gone on.”

Boston likes the versatility of Tatum.

“Tatum will play wherever,” Stevens said. “He can handle the ball. He can move it. ... He’s at least a wing because he can really handle the ball, too. And he can shoot it and do all those things. He’s a very versatile player.”

The Miami Heat were the first team to have real success playing positionless basketball, while the Golden State Warriors have created their version.

“You know us,” Erik Spoelstra said. “We don’t care about positions. We don’t care about conventional boxes where players fit in. We may play, who knows, five guys over 6-foot-9 next year in certain segments of a game without a point guard and make teams adjust to us. You have to have guys that have ability, have skill sets and we’re looking forward to learning more about Bam’s game.”

I can see the Suns moving towards something like this, I think we may see a lot of Booker, Bender, Warren, Jackson, Chriss on the floor at the same time next year.
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Post#1143 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Jul 6, 2017 5:00 pm

A Bucks fan on twitter threw out Bledsoe and Chandler for Monroe (expiring), Hawes (expiring), Vaughn and a lotto protected 1st rounder. Kind of an interesting deal as it would clear a ton of cap room for next season and you might be able to flip Monroe for an additional asset either this summer or at the deadline.
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Post#1144 » by Frank Lee » Thu Jul 6, 2017 5:29 pm

I just dont see McD dumping Bledsoe like that. Bled is a bargain right now and health permitting more so next yr.
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Post#1145 » by 8on » Thu Jul 6, 2017 5:32 pm

Frank Lee wrote:I just dont see McD dumping Bledsoe like that. Bled is a bargain right now and health permitting more so next yr.


He is a bargain, but remember how Bled's negotiations have gone in the past. There may be pressure to get something for him, instead of letting him walk for nothing.
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Post#1146 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Jul 6, 2017 5:47 pm

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Frank Lee wrote:I just dont see McD dumping Bledsoe like that. Bled is a bargain right now and health permitting more so next yr.


He is a bargain, but remember how Bled's negotiations have gone in the past. There may be pressure to get something for him, instead of letting him walk for nothing.


Only the Suns know if they have any interest in extending Bledsoe. If they feel the knees are too big of a risk and they know for certain right now that they wouldn't be comfortable giving him another big contract then they should absolutely look to trade him over the next 12 months.

I don't think this deal is a slam dunk by any means. But it would get you a 1st rounder probably in the late teens next year plus Vaughn is still young and could battle Reed for the backup SG minutes, plus as I mentioned you could probably flip Monroe for something at some point. But the biggest appeal would be they would be looking at max cap room next summer so if they want to chase a star at that point something like this makes sense.
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Post#1147 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 6, 2017 5:50 pm

bwoolf2 wrote:“I don’t have the five positions anymore,” Brad Stevens said. “It may be as simple as three positions now, where you’re either a ball-handler, a wing or a big.

“It’s really important. We’ve become more versatile as the years have gone on.”

Boston likes the versatility of Tatum.

“Tatum will play wherever,” Stevens said. “He can handle the ball. He can move it. ... He’s at least a wing because he can really handle the ball, too. And he can shoot it and do all those things. He’s a very versatile player.”

The Miami Heat were the first team to have real success playing positionless basketball, while the Golden State Warriors have created their version.

“You know us,” Erik Spoelstra said. “We don’t care about positions. We don’t care about conventional boxes where players fit in. We may play, who knows, five guys over 6-foot-9 next year in certain segments of a game without a point guard and make teams adjust to us. You have to have guys that have ability, have skill sets and we’re looking forward to learning more about Bam’s game.”

I can see the Suns moving towards something like this, I think we may see a lot of Booker, Bender, Warren, Jackson, Chriss on the floor at the same time next year.


Yeah, all the really successful teams do this now other than maybe the Spurs, but I imagine they will be there soon. But so many fans still want to fit people into those conventional boxes. If you go with ball handlers, wings and bigs, you might wan 3-4 ball handlers, 3-4 bigs, and 7-9 wings on a 15 man roster.
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Post#1148 » by nymets1 » Thu Jul 6, 2017 5:53 pm

I saw on the realgm wiretap that the Suns want Bender to be a point forward. So maybe at times you guys put 5 players on the court that are 6'6 or taller.
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Post#1149 » by LukasBMW » Thu Jul 6, 2017 5:54 pm

dantley4prez wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:I just dont see McD dumping Bledsoe like that. Bled is a bargain right now and health permitting more so next yr.


He is a bargain, but remember how Bled's negotiations have gone in the past. There may be pressure to get something for him, instead of letting him walk for nothing.


I'd rather keep Bledsoe for two years and give us a fighting chance of making the playoffs (if Booker/TJ + one of Bender/Jackson/Chriss starts to produce) and then lose him for nothing VS. trading him away for scraps just to get something for him.
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Post#1150 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 6, 2017 5:58 pm

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dantley4prez wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:I just dont see McD dumping Bledsoe like that. Bled is a bargain right now and health permitting more so next yr.


He is a bargain, but remember how Bled's negotiations have gone in the past. There may be pressure to get something for him, instead of letting him walk for nothing.


Only the Suns know if they have any interest in extending Bledsoe. If they feel the knees are too big of a risk and they know for certain right now that they wouldn't be comfortable giving him another big contract then they should absolutely look to trade him over the next 12 months.

I don't think this deal is a slam dunk by any means. But it would get you a 1st rounder probably in the late teens next year plus Vaughn is still young and could battle Reed for the backup SG minutes, plus as I mentioned you could probably flip Monroe for something at some point. But the biggest appeal would be they would be looking at max cap room next summer so if they want to chase a star at that point something like this makes sense.


Yeah, that pick is probably in the late teens or at worst the early 20s and you dump Chandler in the process. That's a pretty good deal. We've got to deal him by the deadline or we will not likely get much of a deal for him. And of course we'd have to really pay him in free agency. And even if we DID want to give him a big contract, he may choose to go elsewhere anyway.
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Post#1151 » by JMac1 » Thu Jul 6, 2017 6:01 pm

bigfoot wrote:
JMac1 wrote::o Bender is 240? Nice!


Bender wasn't that far off last year at 225. Also, Chandler plays center at 240 as well. Chriss was 233 last year and has already bulked up a lot. It really makes a lot of sense to only sign either Williams or Len and see what we have with our other two big guys putting in some time at the center spot. Stretch 4 and stretch 5 with Bender and Chriss on the court will really open up the paint for Bledsoe/Booker/Warren.


Yea, after I read about his weight, I read the article and it stated he was 225 prior. I'm glad he acknowledge that he wants to keep his speed, agility, and fluidity. He doesn't need to be banger size. I wonder what his body fat was at 225 and now at 240. That will tell us how much of it was muscle. He should be able to carry 250 at 7'1 well......and maybe stay there.
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Post#1152 » by rsavaj » Thu Jul 6, 2017 6:03 pm

At this rate we should be able to retain Len on a reasonable deal, maybe 30-35 mil over 4.
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Post#1153 » by JMac1 » Thu Jul 6, 2017 6:09 pm

bwoolf2 wrote:“I don’t have the five positions anymore,” Brad Stevens said. “It may be as simple as three positions now, where you’re either a ball-handler, a wing or a big.

“It’s really important. We’ve become more versatile as the years have gone on.”

Boston likes the versatility of Tatum.

“Tatum will play wherever,” Stevens said. “He can handle the ball. He can move it. ... He’s at least a wing because he can really handle the ball, too. And he can shoot it and do all those things. He’s a very versatile player.”

The Miami Heat were the first team to have real success playing positionless basketball, while the Golden State Warriors have created their version.

“You know us,” Erik Spoelstra said. “We don’t care about positions. We don’t care about conventional boxes where players fit in. We may play, who knows, five guys over 6-foot-9 next year in certain segments of a game without a point guard and make teams adjust to us. You have to have guys that have ability, have skill sets and we’re looking forward to learning more about Bam’s game.”

I can see the Suns moving towards something like this, I think we may see a lot of Booker, Bender, Warren, Jackson, Chriss on the floor at the same time next year.


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Post#1154 » by darealjuice » Thu Jul 6, 2017 6:45 pm

Clippers did a good job recovering from losing CP3 and JJ by adding Teodosic and Danilo in addition to a decent return for CP3 considering the circumstances
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Post#1155 » by carey » Thu Jul 6, 2017 6:46 pm

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Where's the guy that was telling me I was totally wrong about the 2-way contract because he'd make too much money in Europe?
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Post#1156 » by matt131 » Thu Jul 6, 2017 6:50 pm

carey wrote:
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Where's the guy that was telling me I was totally wrong about the 2-way contract because he'd make too much money in Europe?


It wasn't me, but I am wondering what a two-way contract is.
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Post#1157 » by Sreister » Thu Jul 6, 2017 6:59 pm

rsavaj wrote:At this rate we should be able to retain Len on a reasonable deal, maybe 30-35 mil over 4.


I would kill for something like that. 4 more years of Len should be enough to tell if he's done developing and to give up, or a year or two he is the Center we all thought he could be. It's still too early to count him out, IMO.

7-8 Million a year would be a good bargain for a starting Center, especially with how much some make after last years craziness.
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Post#1158 » by carey » Thu Jul 6, 2017 7:00 pm

matt131 wrote:
carey wrote:
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Where's the guy that was telling me I was totally wrong about the 2-way contract because he'd make too much money in Europe?


It wasn't me, but I am wondering what a two-way contract is.


I previously posted this article. I hope it helps. http://dleaguedigest.com/2017/01/19/d-league-two-way-contracts-change-nba-landscape/

Who Can Sign a Two-Way Contract?
Anyone with three years or fewer NBA service. The idea is NBA teams should look to develop young players and therefore this restriction is implemented with the contract. This stipulation also falls in line with players who wish to be assigned to the D-League.
How long can a contract be?
Players can sign either one-or-two-year two-way contracts with an NBA team, with the exception of players entering with three years of service (they may only sign a one-year deal). At the end of the contract, the NBA team will have the right to tender a qualifying offer to the player.
How much can a player earn?
According to a source, a player can earn approximately $275,000 per contract if they meet the maximum requirements.
A player on a two-way contract can spend a maximum of 45 days with the NBA team, at which they will earn 1/170 of the rookie minimum contract per day.
A player an NBA team wishes to designate with a two-way contract will receive $50,000 in training camp, a number that is paid by the NBA D-League and is not a salary cap hit against the NBA team. Any player that is signed in camp for more than the $50,000 maximum is not eligible to play for that team’s NBA D-League affiliate.
What happens if a team wants to bring a player up for more than 45 days?
The team may submit a qualifying offer to the individual, at which point they would become a member of the roster.
Is there a deadline to sign two-way contracts?
According to a source, January 15th is the deadline for two-way contracts to be signed each season.
Are regular D-League salaries increasing?
Unfortunately, no. According to the source, only players on two-way contracts will see a salary increase. Those salaries will raise at the discretion of the NBA D-League, since the players sign directly with the league.
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Post#1159 » by matt131 » Thu Jul 6, 2017 7:04 pm

carey wrote:
matt131 wrote:
carey wrote:
Read on Twitter


Where's the guy that was telling me I was totally wrong about the 2-way contract because he'd make too much money in Europe?


It wasn't me, but I am wondering what a two-way contract is.


I previously posted this article. I hope it helps. http://dleaguedigest.com/2017/01/19/d-league-two-way-contracts-change-nba-landscape/

Who Can Sign a Two-Way Contract?
Anyone with three years or fewer NBA service. The idea is NBA teams should look to develop young players and therefore this restriction is implemented with the contract. This stipulation also falls in line with players who wish to be assigned to the D-League.
How long can a contract be?
Players can sign either one-or-two-year two-way contracts with an NBA team, with the exception of players entering with three years of service (they may only sign a one-year deal). At the end of the contract, the NBA team will have the right to tender a qualifying offer to the player.
How much can a player earn?
According to a source, a player can earn approximately $275,000 per contract if they meet the maximum requirements.
A player on a two-way contract can spend a maximum of 45 days with the NBA team, at which they will earn 1/170 of the rookie minimum contract per day.
A player an NBA team wishes to designate with a two-way contract will receive $50,000 in training camp, a number that is paid by the NBA D-League and is not a salary cap hit against the NBA team. Any player that is signed in camp for more than the $50,000 maximum is not eligible to play for that team’s NBA D-League affiliate.
What happens if a team wants to bring a player up for more than 45 days?
The team may submit a qualifying offer to the individual, at which point they would become a member of the roster.
Is there a deadline to sign two-way contracts?
According to a source, January 15th is the deadline for two-way contracts to be signed each season.
Are regular D-League salaries increasing?
Unfortunately, no. According to the source, only players on two-way contracts will see a salary increase. Those salaries will raise at the discretion of the NBA D-League, since the players sign directly with the league.


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Post#1160 » by matt131 » Thu Jul 6, 2017 7:06 pm

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Probably what the Mavs were waiting for before dealing with Noel

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