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rcc8884 wrote:If the lakers were to propose 2 First Round Picks and Deng for Chandler and Daniels, would you pull the trigger?
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DarkHawk wrote:rcc8884 wrote:If the lakers were to propose 2 First Round Picks and Deng for Chandler and Daniels, would you pull the trigger?
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I think I would. I realize their picks won't be great, but we'd have both Deng and Knight coming off the books at the same time, so we'd have more cap space in 2 years.
Lakers aren't dealing Kuzma. He might be their best young player and is likely untouchable.
DarkHawk wrote:Dunno if this was discussed
https://valleyofthesuns.com/2018/07/23/suns-should-go-for-porzingis/
I'm legitimately shocked the Cavs are going this route instead of a rebuild.
I'm legitimately shocked the Cavs are going this route instead of a rebuild.
WeekapaugGroove wrote:I'm legitimately shocked the Cavs are going this route instead of a rebuild.
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That 1st round pick is what really makes this a head scratcher. It's top 10 protected for 2 yrs then turns into a 2nd rounder. So why not rebuild for two years and in the summer of 2020 you have some young tallent and all the big salary off your books. I get not wanting to bottom out but I'm not sure this is even a playoff team in the east so they could end up giving up a late lotto pick.BobbieL wrote:WeekapaugGroove wrote:I'm legitimately shocked the Cavs are going this route instead of a rebuild.
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Love was due 24m
player option of 25m for 19/20
so thats about 50m
this deal is 145/5
my question to Dan Gilbert and Koby Altman - why are you giving a 31 year old Kevin Love 90m for 3 years. maybe millsap got something like that; lowry - but damn, thats a great deal for Love
atlanta might be happy about this - that top 10 pick protection just went down - meaning more likely for Atlanta.
WeekapaugGroove wrote:That 1st round pick is what really makes this a head scratcher. It's top 10 protected for 2 yrs then turns into a 2nd rounder. So why not rebuild for two years and in the summer of 2020 you have some young tallent and all the big salary off your books. I get not wanting to bottom out but I'm not sure this is even a playoff team in the east so they could end up giving up a late lotto pick.BobbieL wrote:WeekapaugGroove wrote:I'm legitimately shocked the Cavs are going this route instead of a rebuild.
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Love was due 24m
player option of 25m for 19/20
so thats about 50m
this deal is 145/5
my question to Dan Gilbert and Koby Altman - why are you giving a 31 year old Kevin Love 90m for 3 years. maybe millsap got something like that; lowry - but damn, thats a great deal for Love
atlanta might be happy about this - that top 10 pick protection just went down - meaning more likely for Atlanta.
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Frank Lee wrote:Love is now more tradeable than ever. He's locked into an expense with a definitive time. No free agent walking. . It might be considered an over pay, but gawd, most of these contracts seem that way. Love is one of those guys that if he remains healthy, his game stays solid. Not like if he loses a step it will matter mucr. Skill overrides athleticism as players age. And his game will always be valuable in todays league. enough of the Love love.
I haven't noticed if he worked in a no trade clause or player options. But I don't see this a negative for Cleve at all (see BobbyL above) They want to rebuild next yr, then just move Love for young pieces. There will be many teams interested if he is tabled, as cap space will be available.
BobbieL wrote:Frank Lee wrote:Love is now more tradeable than ever. He's locked into an expense with a definitive time. No free agent walking. . It might be considered an over pay, but gawd, most of these contracts seem that way. Love is one of those guys that if he remains healthy, his game stays solid. Not like if he loses a step it will matter mucr. Skill overrides athleticism as players age. And his game will always be valuable in todays league. enough of the Love love.
I haven't noticed if he worked in a no trade clause or player options. But I don't see this a negative for Cleve at all (see BobbyL above) They want to rebuild next yr, then just move Love for young pieces. There will be many teams interested if he is tabled, as cap space will be available.
Valid points about locking in the deal because Love did have a player option next summer plus the Suns did this with Marbury -signed him one summer and I believe the next spring he was traded.
fromthetop321 wrote:I got Lebron number 1, he is also leading defensive player of the year. Curry's game still reminds me of Jeremy Lin to much.
DirtyDez wrote:Since when do injury-prone players suddenly become durable at 30?
DirtyDez wrote:Since when do injury-prone players suddenly become durable at 30?
Walt_Uoob wrote:BobbieL wrote:Frank Lee wrote:Love is now more tradeable than ever. He's locked into an expense with a definitive time. No free agent walking. . It might be considered an over pay, but gawd, most of these contracts seem that way. Love is one of those guys that if he remains healthy, his game stays solid. Not like if he loses a step it will matter mucr. Skill overrides athleticism as players age. And his game will always be valuable in todays league. enough of the Love love.
I haven't noticed if he worked in a no trade clause or player options. But I don't see this a negative for Cleve at all (see BobbyL above) They want to rebuild next yr, then just move Love for young pieces. There will be many teams interested if he is tabled, as cap space will be available.
Valid points about locking in the deal because Love did have a player option next summer plus the Suns did this with Marbury -signed him one summer and I believe the next spring he was traded.
Yeah I agree. It seems like a crazy amount of money but I just went and looked at Zach Randolph's career stats as a rough comparison and he had solid seasons through about age 33 or 34, which is how long Love's deal will go. They're not exactly the same player but similar in their levels of athleticism and reliance on it.
Of course, Love isn't known for his defense and neither is Ayton, and he's a smidge old for our timeline, so I probably wouldn't want him on the Suns for that money (though on offense he'd open up so much space and our rebounding would be elite), but it doesn't seem at all untradeable, and on the right team I think he can roughly live up to that contract. In a way it's nice that he's locked in rather than a potential rental.
Overall it's a decent deal for both sides and now if the Cavs do decide to do a full rebuild, I'm sure we'll still be involved in those conversations and rumors. If they're ready to blow it up at the deadline or on draft day, we should have the expirings and assets to make a deal.