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Post#1141 » by bwgood77 » Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:21 pm

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A quick answer is Booker.....

Book and Beal arent apples to oranges...but more like Fiji's to McIntosh. Both would have to ask to be traded and the public disclosure of that would not help the value. Beal is also a FA after 20/21 season, where as Book has to wait till 2024. That could come into play next yr if Beal wants to walk. Book? not so much for a couple years. Why are we talking about Beal? :-? Are you implying he should join the Suns ? Dueling Matadors is not something Id like to see.

In a vacuum, Id say Book is worth a prospect, a good pick, and salary fodder. but its not a vacuum. Especially if he disgruntles for a deal. May be a couple teams get in a bidding battle, may be not. Second line of thought would be a deal for another top player... but those deals are few and far between.

Fan bases' tendencies are to over rate these two (Beal/Book) similarly efficient AlloNod chuckers. Its not so much as who you'd get, but more so, who would want them bad enough to give up a tasty enough package to get these sidekicks. Batmen they are not. Furthermore, I doubt either team would get sufficient replacement value to offset the loss. But if it comes down to trade them or lose them for nothing, then who knows. At least with Book, we dont have that leverage threat till 2023-4

Dealing Book is not going to do anything but delay our next playoff appearance, IMO.


That's what I was thinking. And I will preface it by saying I am not suggesting we trade him and I don't think he will ask out. And as I've mentioned, most people talking about trade packages are only doing so when it is mentioned he is going to ask out..not because they think we should put him on the block, outside of 1-2 people maybe.

But yes, a package like Nance got. A nice young prospect and maybe a couple vets and a pick, possibly 2 protected ones (though 2 is probably pushing it). As you mentioned, teams won't gut their core to trade for him..it will be to add to him.

But obviously no reason to think about trading him any time soon with the way Ayton and Bridges are improving...along with Booker himself now that he has a legit PG and can play more off ball.


I actually think that the right team might just gut their core youth group for Booker. It's gotta be a team that either already has a co-star for Book or a team that believes they can leverage Booker's presence to attract one or two major free agents.

While the Bulls and Magic are poor fits for this kind of scenario, the Knicks are not. They've been unable to add a star via any means since Melo departed.

When I say that Booker should get a return like Nance got, I don't mean we're settling for scraps and unknown prospects and hoping that one of them busts out like KJ. I think about a major package closer to what Kerrsed was proposing in terms of value. I think Booker is a superstar, that other teams value him that way, and that the league consensus is that our struggles have to do with everything Phoenix Suns and not Booker himself.

All of this is moot, for at least one more season. Once we blow our load in free agency, Deandre enters year 3 and Oubre is set to enter free agency, if we're not a playoff squad by then, Booker may well conclude that there is no light at the end of this tunnel. But I don't think the FO will start thinking along the lines of a Booker trade until we approach the last two years of his deal unless he requests a trade.


I didn't necessarily mean scraps. KJ was a premier prospect and Tyrone Corbin and Mark West were solid vets but not old..Corbin was 25 and West 28.

Though I don't think a team like the Knicks would even be able to come up with as good as package as that. Those other teams, were primary pieces their new regime who was brought in recently took with high lotto picks for their rebuild, and they likely value them highly. I doubt the Hawks would want to pair Trae and Booker anyway for obvious reasons.

If it was the Knicks, it would have to mainly be for picks. It doesn't make sense for either team to have Robinson as a key piece in the trade and they are probably hoping to build around Barrett, though I guess he could be a possibility. But who knows who else they have 2-3 years from now if Booker asks out like many others think. He would probably be pretty unhappy going to another rebuilding situation though.
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Post#1142 » by bwgood77 » Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:23 pm

BobbieL wrote:Rankin just tweeted the Suns will not be signing Bolden to another 10 day contract

Unless they have another player to sign - this makes no sense to me.

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I don't think he's necessary if we are healthy. We have 3 centers under contract. They probably just like Diallo more.
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Post#1143 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:48 pm

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That's what I was thinking. And I will preface it by saying I am not suggesting we trade him and I don't think he will ask out. And as I've mentioned, most people talking about trade packages are only doing so when it is mentioned he is going to ask out..not because they think we should put him on the block, outside of 1-2 people maybe.

But yes, a package like Nance got. A nice young prospect and maybe a couple vets and a pick, possibly 2 protected ones (though 2 is probably pushing it). As you mentioned, teams won't gut their core to trade for him..it will be to add to him.

But obviously no reason to think about trading him any time soon with the way Ayton and Bridges are improving...along with Booker himself now that he has a legit PG and can play more off ball.


I actually think that the right team might just gut their core youth group for Booker. It's gotta be a team that either already has a co-star for Book or a team that believes they can leverage Booker's presence to attract one or two major free agents.

While the Bulls and Magic are poor fits for this kind of scenario, the Knicks are not. They've been unable to add a star via any means since Melo departed.

When I say that Booker should get a return like Nance got, I don't mean we're settling for scraps and unknown prospects and hoping that one of them busts out like KJ. I think about a major package closer to what Kerrsed was proposing in terms of value. I think Booker is a superstar, that other teams value him that way, and that the league consensus is that our struggles have to do with everything Phoenix Suns and not Booker himself.

All of this is moot, for at least one more season. Once we blow our load in free agency, Deandre enters year 3 and Oubre is set to enter free agency, if we're not a playoff squad by then, Booker may well conclude that there is no light at the end of this tunnel. But I don't think the FO will start thinking along the lines of a Booker trade until we approach the last two years of his deal unless he requests a trade.


I didn't necessarily mean scraps. KJ was a premier prospect and Tyrone Corbin and Mark West were solid vets but not old..Corbin was 25 and West 28.

Though I don't think a team like the Knicks would even be able to come up with as good as package as that. Those other teams, were primary pieces their new regime who was brought in recently took with high lotto picks for their rebuild, and they likely value them highly. I doubt the Hawks would want to pair Trae and Booker anyway for obvious reasons.

If it was the Knicks, it would have to mainly be for picks. It doesn't make sense for either team to have Robinson as a key piece in the trade and they are probably hoping to build around Barrett, though I guess he could be a possibility. But who knows who else they have 2-3 years from now if Booker asks out like many others think. He would probably be pretty unhappy going to another rebuilding situation though.


I agree that Booker would/should go to a team approaching contention. You might even get the best package for him from a team in that situation.. Maybe the Celtics build a package around Jaylen Brown, or Philly around Simmons, for example. Doesn't matter for now. Booker will be here next year.
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Post#1144 » by Kerrsed » Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:02 pm

What are the odds that Lance Stevenson announces his intention to come back to the NBA and the VERY NEXT DAY we cut Bolden to create a roster spot?

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Post#1145 » by Saberestar » Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:25 pm

Kerrsed wrote:What are the odds that Lance Stevenson announces his intention to come back to the NBA and the VERY NEXT DAY we cut Bolden to create a roster spot?

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Oh no... here we go with Lance Stephenson AGAIN :lol:
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Post#1146 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:26 pm

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jredsaz wrote:Man they ain't trading Booker. But I'll tell you this. If James Jones doesnt make significant roster improvements this summer - that actually work - Booker will start pushing his way out. Writing is on the wall. Tbh, short of playing in a finals I have a hard time seeing Booker re-up with the Suns after this contract is over. Players leave teams. It's just what happens.

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No one is saying he can't leave but based on what you're saying, we might as well trade him this offseason then because we're not making a Finals any time soon. Then again, how many players really put this level of expectation around whether to stick around or not? Finals or bust? I mean c'mon, no player is that unrealistic.

IMO, he's looking for sustainable/sustained improvement. We've taken our first step this year and because of our improvement this year, he's been recognized as an all-star (injury reserve or not). I hope Jones makes the right moves to keep us going
I just think about Paul George. Had a really good team built around him in Indy. Multiple ECF appearances. He asked out.

What super star hasnt left his team? It just happens man. Unless you're winning rings.

Hopefully we have a team good enough for a finals run in the next four years. Honestly, I just hope we get to see 2 or 3 playoff runs before it comes to a head. I hope there is a longer story to tell with Book and the Suns but I thinks it's a realistic expectation.

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I mean KD left a championship level Warriors team and a perennial contender in the Thunder. There's a multitude of reasons why players decide to leave. Yeah but no fan here is saying he CAN'T leave like he's some sort of slave to the team. What I think is kind of a pointless exercise is to point to players who have left and say, look at him, he left so Booker will leave because of X, Y and Z.

If you're already on this path then we might as well have traded him already. It's just entirely pointless to overthink and speculate what his milestones he think he has to hit in order to stay with the team. Unless there's any *real* murmurs that he might leave, then it's like...why are we even thinking like 3-4 years ahead when there's more important, more urgent issues we have to deal with in the short term. What happens with Booker towards the end of his contract is something we'll deal with when we get there but for now, it just pointless to try and guess what he's thinking and plan based off of that.
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Post#1147 » by Fo-Real » Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:04 pm

[quote="Kerrsed"]What are the odds that Lance Stevenson announces his intention to come back to the NBA and the VERY NEXT DAY we cut Bolden to create a roster spot?


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Post#1148 » by jredsaz » Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:44 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
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lilfishi22 wrote:No one is saying he can't leave but based on what you're saying, we might as well trade him this offseason then because we're not making a Finals any time soon. Then again, how many players really put this level of expectation around whether to stick around or not? Finals or bust? I mean c'mon, no player is that unrealistic.

IMO, he's looking for sustainable/sustained improvement. We've taken our first step this year and because of our improvement this year, he's been recognized as an all-star (injury reserve or not). I hope Jones makes the right moves to keep us going
I just think about Paul George. Had a really good team built around him in Indy. Multiple ECF appearances. He asked out.

What super star hasnt left his team? It just happens man. Unless you're winning rings.

Hopefully we have a team good enough for a finals run in the next four years. Honestly, I just hope we get to see 2 or 3 playoff runs before it comes to a head. I hope there is a longer story to tell with Book and the Suns but I thinks it's a realistic expectation.

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I think he wanted to just go to LA, and then had a change of heart in OKC...also didn't get traded to where he wanted originally. Anyway, Booker is from Michigan, and then his last couple HS years in Mississippi. I don't think he has a place he wants to go back to. Sure, there is a chance we continue to suck, but as many others have said, if that's the case, I don't know that continuing to build around him 3-4 years from now would make a whole lot of sense anyway. I think it will be more of a case like Lillard. People want that super max. I don't know that he will be worth it, but if he is, I think he will want that deal.
Super max for sure. Dame is a good example of a guy who stuck around. Eh, I'm just saying, feel like it's more likely than not.

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Post#1149 » by ATTL » Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:48 pm

Kerrsed wrote:What are the odds that Lance Stevenson announces his intention to come back to the NBA and the VERY NEXT DAY we cut Bolden to create a roster spot?

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Post#1150 » by SuperSunsFan » Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:31 am

I thought the purpose of getting rid of Morri, Archie Goodwin, Josh Jackson and Chriss was to improve team intelligence, signing Stephenson undo all the efforts to make us smarter.
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Post#1151 » by BobbieL » Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:04 pm

Carter really performing well. he might be the one to keep over Okobo this summer. Hate to give up on guys making 1.5m though -I mean you replace Okobo with a rookie making 1m or a veteran. But Okobo might need a good summer!
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Post#1152 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:08 pm

BobbieL wrote:Carter really performing well. he might be the one to keep over Okobo this summer. Hate to give up on guys making 1.5m though -I mean you replace Okobo with a rookie making 1m or a veteran. But Okobo might need a good summer!


I don't think there's a place for Okobo on this roster next season. Don't know how we'll move him. Maybe we'll just cut him.
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Post#1153 » by Saberestar » Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:22 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
BobbieL wrote:Carter really performing well. he might be the one to keep over Okobo this summer. Hate to give up on guys making 1.5m though -I mean you replace Okobo with a rookie making 1m or a veteran. But Okobo might need a good summer!


I don't think there's a place for Okobo on this roster next season. Don't know how we'll move him. Maybe we'll just cut him.

We don't need to move him, his contract is non-guaranteed for next season.

2020-21 non-guaranteed, fully if not waived on or before 7/10/20.

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Post#1154 » by BobbieL » Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:35 pm

Saberestar wrote:
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
BobbieL wrote:Carter really performing well. he might be the one to keep over Okobo this summer. Hate to give up on guys making 1.5m though -I mean you replace Okobo with a rookie making 1m or a veteran. But Okobo might need a good summer!


I don't think there's a place for Okobo on this roster next season. Don't know how we'll move him. Maybe we'll just cut him.

We don't need to move him, his contract is non-guaranteed for next season.

2020-21 non-guaranteed, fully if not waived on or before 7/10/20.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-suns/lie-okobo-26997/


Maybe they can work out a deal to push that back a bit to get him through training camp. Its hard to find bench guys that cheap. Meaning the Suns aren't getting a lot of savings Granted, they might need to 1.5m in the summer with free agency.
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Post#1155 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:55 pm

Saberestar wrote:
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BobbieL wrote:Carter really performing well. he might be the one to keep over Okobo this summer. Hate to give up on guys making 1.5m though -I mean you replace Okobo with a rookie making 1m or a veteran. But Okobo might need a good summer!


I don't think there's a place for Okobo on this roster next season. Don't know how we'll move him. Maybe we'll just cut him.

We don't need to move him, his contract is non-guaranteed for next season.

2020-21 non-guaranteed, fully if not waived on or before 7/10/20.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-suns/lie-okobo-26997/


Ah. Didn't realize they structured the contract differently from a first rounder's contract. Thanks for clarifying.

Yeah, he gone.
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Post#1156 » by sunsbum » Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:21 pm

still talking about booker leaving smh. irritating.
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Post#1157 » by Kerrsed » Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:30 pm

Its crazy that Carter was known as the Defensive back-up PG and Okobo was the Offensive backup PG. Im looking at the comparison between the two, and yes, Carter is still the defensive Bulldog......but also taken the offensive backup PG title away from Okobo. PER36 Shows them dead even in shot attempts (Around 9) and points (11), but Carters percentages are much much better. He's hitting 41% from the field where Okobo is at 39% (Not that huge of a difference), but Carter hits 42% of his 3's while Okobo hits just 35%.

Okobo should be good as gone once the season is over. He is not an answer to any NBA question. Just cut him and open up another roster space for us to roll the dice on another cheap guard. Guys like Okobo are a dime a dozen.
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Post#1158 » by spanishninja » Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:53 pm

Kerrsed wrote:Its crazy that Carter was known as the Defensive back-up PG and Okobo was the Offensive backup PG. Im looking at the comparison between the two, and yes, Carter is still the defensive Bulldog......but also taken the offensive backup PG title away from Okobo. PER36 Shows them dead even in shot attempts (Around 9) and points (11), but Carters percentages are much much better. He's hitting 41% from the field where Okobo is at 39% (Not that huge of a difference), but Carter hits 42% of his 3's while Okobo hits just 35%.

Okobo should be good as gone once the season is over. He is not an answer to any NBA question. Just cut him and open up another roster space for us to roll the dice on another cheap guard. Guys like Okobo are a dime a dozen.


wow, didn't realize Carter's 3 has gone back up like that. for a while he was slumping.
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Post#1159 » by RunDogGun » Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:56 pm

Kerrsed wrote:Its crazy that Carter was known as the Defensive back-up PG and Okobo was the Offensive backup PG. Im looking at the comparison between the two, and yes, Carter is still the defensive Bulldog......but also taken the offensive backup PG title away from Okobo. PER36 Shows them dead even in shot attempts (Around 9) and points (11), but Carters percentages are much much better. He's hitting 41% from the field where Okobo is at 39% (Not that huge of a difference), but Carter hits 42% of his 3's while Okobo hits just 35%.

Okobo should be good as gone once the season is over. He is not an answer to any NBA question. Just cut him and open up another roster space for us to roll the dice on another cheap guard. Guys like Okobo are a dime a dozen.

Carters G-League stats are pretty similar, so it isn't a bad indicator to what he can do.43% from the field and 39% from three. Obviously the rest of his stats are better game averages, but he is going up against weaker players. But still, 18 points, 6 assists, 4.6 rebounds, and 2.8 steals per game in 22 games, shows he is a decent back up.

Okobo just never developed into a quality reserve guard. Next year is non guaranteed, but still fairly cheap at $1.6 million. And then a team option in 21-22. I could see us moving on, and giving the roster spot to another young player, possibly a big.
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Post#1160 » by jcsunsfan » Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:01 pm

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Kerrsed wrote:Its crazy that Carter was known as the Defensive back-up PG and Okobo was the Offensive backup PG. Im looking at the comparison between the two, and yes, Carter is still the defensive Bulldog......but also taken the offensive backup PG title away from Okobo. PER36 Shows them dead even in shot attempts (Around 9) and points (11), but Carters percentages are much much better. He's hitting 41% from the field where Okobo is at 39% (Not that huge of a difference), but Carter hits 42% of his 3's while Okobo hits just 35%.

Okobo should be good as gone once the season is over. He is not an answer to any NBA question. Just cut him and open up another roster space for us to roll the dice on another cheap guard. Guys like Okobo are a dime a dozen.


wow, didn't realize Carter's 3 has gone back up like that. for a while he was slumping.

Carter is effective as a back up combo guard. Even if he is having a down night shooting, you know you are going to get bull dog defense from him. He deserves to get Okobo's minutes. Okobo's big problem is that he does not know how to run an offense. He telegraphs passes, throws the ball away, and makes the wrong passes. He helps the other team more than ours when on the court.

The Suns are better by NOT playing Okobo. I would would play Carter as the primary backup guard, and then give Mikal a few minutes there too if necessary. Ty Jerome might get a look or two if the matchup allows it.

Okobo needs to sit except for garbage time. He should be done on this team.

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